A9s going for value?
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A9s going for value?
BN: 3508
SB: 2724
BB: 3337
UTG: 3085
UTG1: 2285
UTG2: 2865
LJ: 3210 (Hero)
HJ: 2770
UTG folds, UTG1 folds, UTG2 folds, Hero raises to 125, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, SB calls 100, BB folds
Hello,
I am new in the forums but I am really looking to improve my game. I hope I will find my "mentor" around here who will help me climb the limits :)
So this is 11$ in Stars, I have a tight image and the villain is a reg who plays normal too. Haven't seen him doing some tricky moves.
We are deep and I open A9 he calles from sb and the flop comes pretty good. I make my cbet he calls and the turn comes blank so If he called the flop he should call the turn as well. Instead of that he raises me, I can say that if he had AK/AQ he would 3b me preflop with the game I have seen from him but he would call with AQ too, so I'm behind some of the time but I still can't fold.
Now here's my question: I am not sure if on this BI level it's possible villain to tell himself something like "Well he can do this with 10s Js 9s so I can raise with my A5/A6/A7/A8/A9 because I am sure he will call me and I don't want him to check behind on the river and loose value. " ? Or can he raise here with 8s or 9s and turn his hand to a bluff? I know I show a lot of strenght with double barrel but still I have seen a lot of things and that's why I want to ask is it possible for a reg on this level to do this ?
That's what I thought during the hand and when he checked to me I knew that he is check/ calling maybe 80-90% of the time and if that's true he could call with any of the weaker aces and maybe even with some of the pairs if he is getting good odds to call so if I am winning vs A/5/7/8 and some pairs and loosing vs A/10/J/Q. I think it's better to bet.
P.S. as I was writing this I think he would never raise with a pair in this situation So it's a check behind.
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He shouldnt have any worse aces in his range pre flop, I would check back either flop or turn since its a hand you are not comfortable getting 3 streets with. As played fold to the turn check/raise and check back river...you dont beat anything he plays this way for value.
This is sexy advice.
Thank you for your responce. It looks like I was very wrong.
I don't think so, at all. Open is good, cbet is cool.
As played I call turn fold to river.
But Stephen's advice is spot on, can only get two streets of value at best from all his flatting hands in SB, everything else beats you (better As, and boats) and if he's good he'll fold 3 barrells with all pairs that don't boat up and worse As taking a check call line probably.
As a once and occasionally still micro grinder, make sure you don't level yourself with your thought proccess!! (especially at this stage of the tounry!!!)...
"I am not sure if on this BI level it's possible villain to tell himself something like "Well he can do this with 10s Js 9s so I can raise with my A5/A6/A7/A8/A9 because I am sure he will call me and I don't want him to check behind on the river and loose value.""
I used to be the exact same, but unless you have a read that the guy is doing crazy stuff, such as turning value hand into a bluff, just continue to think about the hand logically and apply good poker practice to the situation.
Agree with Stephen here. I wouldn't even open this hand, prolly ATs+ from this position to avoid situations exactly like this. Be aware that a turn C/R is one of the moves that signal the most strength. So you have to evaluate if you opponent know this and can make this move as bluff or not, before you make your final decision.
Agree with your check raise comment, although its used to turn a missed flush draw into a bluff by some which is applicable in this situation.
I strongly disagree that A9ss in LJ is a fold. This is an open all day this deep and at this skill level, even in a 109 this is a clear open IMO - A9o is closer :)
Well I don't think so. I mean I can really easy fold on the turn but I explained what I thought through the hand and that's why I am asking here you- the guys with expirience on the different BI levels. I know I have to be very aware with A9s but I still think It's ok to open from this spot since we get a lot of guys calling with anytype of broadways which we can take value from. Still you have to be good at the postflop play to do this in the right way but I am trying to learn.
I'd call the turn c/r since we are getting a good price and he could have flushdraws or midpairs trying to showdown or w/e, but the river bet is too thin.
You are also losing to A2/4/6 and 44. I agree with Stephen that a competent player won't call worse than A9 from the SB but if you are unsure and include mid Aces in the combos then you should include the wheel aces too imo. I like checking the flop here personally. On that river I wouldn't bet against a competent player.
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