67s vs UTG Loose Open with an FD and OESD on Turn: Call or shove?
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67s vs UTG Loose Open with an FD and OESD on Turn: Call or shove?
CO: csaba6729: 25931
BN: AAssasinator: 39964
SB: ADELMAN22: 80868
BB: josrocha: 61138
UTG: FellipeD: 68650
UTG1: hoongildon: 26936
UTG2: ady_deruta: 21880
LJ: benjayz: 46928
HJ: Pituniya: 26386
BN: AAssasinator: 39964
SB: ADELMAN22: 80868
BB: josrocha: 61138
UTG: FellipeD: 68650
UTG1: hoongildon: 26936
UTG2: ady_deruta: 21880
LJ: benjayz: 46928
HJ: Pituniya: 26386
Preflop
(1800)
(9 Players)
josrocha was dealt
6
7
FellipeD raises to 2400, hoongildon folds, ady_deruta folds, benjayz folds, Pituniya folds, csaba6729 folds, AAssasinator folds, ADELMAN22 folds, josrocha calls 1200
FellipeD raises to 2400, hoongildon folds, ady_deruta folds, benjayz folds, Pituniya folds, csaba6729 folds, AAssasinator folds, ADELMAN22 folds, josrocha calls 1200
Flop
(5400)
5
Q
2
(2 Players)
josrocha bets 3000,
FellipeD raises to 8100,
josrocha calls 5100
Turn
(21600)
5
Q
2
8
(2 Players)
josrocha checks,
FellipeD bets 11200,
josrocha calls 11200
River
(44000)
5
Q
2
8
T
(2 Players)
josrocha checks,
FellipeD bets 15550,
josrocha folds
Final Pot
FellipeD
wins 45350
UTG was an 22/22 with a 36 R1. UTG he opens 25% on a small sample.
We are deep so its standard until the Turn. On the turn I have some
doubts on just calling or shove the Turn as we have 15 outs as he have
OESD. Do you just call or do you shove?
I've done some calculations on Flopzilla and on the Turn we have almost
40% equity against his range. My calculations shows that if shoved the
Turn we are even on the Long Run as we needed to work 40%.
As played and being the River a T, can we shove representing J9 clubs?
Does he fold 54% of the time? Betting 39288 chips to win 84638 we need
to work 46%
( I think I have made the right calculations, please inform if wrong.).
Thanks
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I have done a mistake on the calculations. We have 34% equity on Turn, not 40%. So on this spot we should just check call (as done) because check shove is EV<0 as we need to work 40% and we only have 34% equity.
I think you played it fine. Well played.
I think check/shoving the turn is horrible. Sure, you have a strong draw with a straight/flush draw, but your opponent is just going to be calling you down with sets, or a Queen flush, which has you absolutely crushed. Seeing as youre just representing a draw, they'll even likely call you down with a Queen, meaning you have far less fold equity than you think. Just check/call and realise your equity on the river.
As it turns out, a ten on the river hits, and you basically have to check/fold. I don't think there's any chance you can rep J9 of clubs here, its such a specific hand played in such an odd way with this run out, that I don't think your opponent would consider such a holding in your range under any circumstance. Good fold.
I don't understand why we called the raise on the flop. Apart from that everything seems fine - we got good odds, we called, we missed, we fold. Our hand is face up - I think check shoving the turn is horrible.
Ah, I misread the hand, thought he just called a cbet. Yeah calling the raise there is bad, just fold it at that point.
Leave the check/shove for when you play live(It's not a horrible move).
Why do we lead on the flop and then only call the re-raise? To me a c/r on the flop would be a better way, on the other hand if he calls the c/r and the turn hits, what he expects us to rep? How we proceed then? Does anyone ever ever plans on check-raising a second time? Just curious..
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