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5€Rebuy IsoReShove PreFlop spot

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5€Rebuy IsoReShove PreFlop spot

BB: Optimal EV: 999270
UTG: J M ALLAIL: 228085
UTG1: sunsurprise: 655768
LJ: acid_romain: 270463
HJ: gregeldiablo: 533385
CO: NoClueIbet: 280752
BN: melka77500: 246698
SB: tonnio3: 327441
Preflop (24000) (8 Players)
Optimal EV was dealt T T
J M ALLAIL folds, sunsurprise raises to 35950, acid_romain folds, gregeldiablo folds, NoClueIbet folds, melka77500 folds, tonnio3 raises to 324241, and is all in, Optimal EV folds, sunsurprise calls 288291
Flop (672482) T 9 3 (2 Players)
Turn (672482) T 9 3 9 (2 Players)
River (672482) T 9 3 9 3 (2 Players)
Final Pot
tonnio3 has J A sunsurprise has K A tonnio3 wins 345041 , sunsurprise wins 345041

Hi,

Relatively new to poker forums, just wanted to check if this is a standard spot or not.

50 left, no ICM considerations yet, and I am Top 10. Opener has a RFI of around 35% (around 50hands) and the guy who shoves is a reg with a 3B of 4% (around 200 hands). Effective stack is 40bb. 

I know it's a shove or fold situation, so, is my fold too nitty here? What do you think?

Thanks in advance for any answers.

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So_Nitty 10 years, 8 months ago

Still lots of poker left to play. UTG plus 1 is raising well over 10BB from early and when SB over calls it looks very strong . I think your fold is ok if you think they are strong. Not sure 10s are a clear favourite against those ranges. If an A or K had come on  the flop you wouldn't question your fold. Yesterday I tried shoving lighter and calling tighter in the late stages and it worked pretty well. I think a call is ok too though

Rapha Nogueira 10 years, 8 months ago

Folding TT is too much. Even 99s I would rejam. Calling is not a option with a hand that has so little board coverage and in textures like T99 you are not getting stacks against AK/AQ. 

So_Nitty 10 years, 8 months ago

What do you think such a large opening raise means? I wouldn't think AK I would probably think 88 - QQ?

Slingtown 10 years, 8 months ago
The opening raise isn't that large. Depends on the habits of the raiser. I would say the size falls in the standard sizing depeding on a player. If we had a very good read and a strong sizing tell (ie the player alters his raise size based on his hand) we could narrow his range but in this case its probably his standard opening size. from the stats provided the raiser is opening very wide so has all types of hands we have fold equity against. lots of pocket pairs, broadways, suited connecters etc. I'd be a little more narrow given the early position.


ANitInParis 10 years, 8 months ago

Hi guys, thanks for commenting.

These are normal sizes preflop.Blinds are 8k/16k, UTG1 has 40bb and opens for 2.25bb, the SB 3Bet shoves for 20bb and I have about 60bb and face a decision with TT. 

The board is irrelevant, I just wanted to figure this out preflop. I believe I made a mistake and this is a reshove spot given UTG1 stats and SB stack size. In fact, I cant find a stack size for me, given this situation, where I should fold TT. 

 



Rapha Nogueira 10 years, 8 months ago

If you are folding TT to a 3b shove it is 4% of the deck! It is just too much. That are very few spots in MTT that TT is a mandatory fold. This WSOP ME Bruno Foster folded TT to a similar action but was the november nine bubble. In this situation it is a call. 

Slingtown 10 years, 8 months ago

How do you guys feel if we also had a 20bb stack?

After giving this some thought I believe 1010 is anywhere from 44-54% equity against the small blind range. I think given our stack size and the dead money in the pot we should make the shove. There are also times where we get it in against both villains and they have each others outs. However, I might be tigther with a slightly less stack to perserve our tourney life. That may be wrong but I'm curious how others feel about that.

ANitInParis 10 years, 8 months ago

I think that with 20bb, given this situation, this is 100% a shove. Also think that as our stack decreases we should be reshoving wider. Here with 20bb, I would be reshoving 88+, AQo+ and AJs maybe.

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