$530 ACR high roller spot
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$530 ACR high roller spot
4 left, stacks 404k, 250k, 180k, and me with 130k
payouts 4k, 5.2k, 7.4k, 12k
blinds 3k/6k/1k
Hero (130k) raises to 12k with 55
Btn (250k) raises to 28k
Hero?
All four players are pretty good regs and agressive. There has been a lot of 3betting at this FT, like a lot. In general, this tournament is like that. He was aggressive and his raise first in was fairly high, he did 3bet somewhat but not outrageous. i think tho ppl take this spot a lot light
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I feel like this is a good spot to 4B jam. With you being short stack, there are no ICM concerns, and there certainly are for him. Folding is the other option, but I think a jam here puts a lot of pressure on him. He likely will fold his KQs-KTs, QJs, JTs type hands, and likely he folds some of his A high hands. He could definitely have overpairs, but it seems like a good spot to me.
yeah agreed, the icm pressure is greater for him. I think he does have a polar range though, as flatting IP wit kqs-kts,qjs, jts is much more desirable than 3betting them versus a 22bb stack who will likely respond by jamming or folding OOP. I think its just a matter of if he 3bets too many bluffs (like hands at the top of his folding range that he believes have good blockers, such as QTo, A9o, KTo)
think its a pretty easy fold and i wouldnt worry about it much
In my eyes, with your description of the table, that is having aggressive players battling 4-handed, you have to shove your hand after getting 3-bet. But that's only because you chose to open minraise in the first place, with your hand and with your stack. I think you have other options here, that are probably better strategically.
For instance: open bigger (and folding more often if 3bet?) ; limp-jam ; limp-fold or limp-call ; open-jamming.
I'm just throwing those as things I would do that are somewhat unconventional. It's all about using our relative stack size to the best of our utility. Here, you do have to take into account that by minraising you'll rarely steal the blinds / ante right away, and even worse you'll rarely see a flop for your own price nor with initiative (that is, when you get 3b). This is why limping becomes better here with 55 IMO, it just shifts the initiative game so to speak.
What about raising bigger? Think of what happens if you open 2.6bb (or 3.4 for instance), as compared to minraising. It might, or might not, change the frequencies of the players behind (3betting becomes more committing versus your stack, it's also harder to flat wide).
It's perfectly fine, and probably better, to have a mixed strategy based on your hand and also based on the evolution of stack sizes at the table. The way I approach the situation is: how do I maximize my strategic situation here? Is this a situation where players will create dead money but not commit their stack eagerly? => then I want to be the first one all-in (min-raising / shoving is therefore great. Limp-shoving as well, esp versus BTN iso-raise).
Is this a situation where I want to steal but not commit? Looking at it, it's great to have 12-20bb at a 4handed agressive table, because you'll have plenty of spots to steal / resteal and no real hard decisions ICM-wise. So here with 55, you can totally just use your hand in his steal capacity, so raise bigger to maximize your FE, and if called, you'll have equity / showdown-able hand, and often position (versus BB) ; if 3bet, you just give up honestly and wait for better hand or better situation to stack off.
In a vacuum minraise / shove seems absolutely +cEV, and pbbly $EV, but we can choose to manage our stack differently if deemed appropriate.
Strategy versus tactics, that's all I'm saying ;).
very interesting, didnt really consider that. Can definitely see those options being good but i have never really worked on balancing those options. i think limping/jamming is my favorite with this particular hand but given how tight im going to be raising, i shud def be raising larger anyway
For me, open this 55 is a classic 4bet/shove situation. Range of 3bet in 4handed is large and if we calculate the % of the times villain folds and when he calls and we are in 50/50 is a profit spot in long run (sorry bad english)
the profitabilty is largely affected by two things: 1. the fold equity, 2. the range to get it in. If hes folding too much, it makes shoving obviously super profitable. And it works in our favor if he doesnt induce 66-88 and rather flats them (or some might just 3bet large and make it clear they are committed to call me). Works better if they choose hands like AJs ATs to 3b/call rather than 66-88. Tho, i like 3b/calling 66-88 if i expect my opponent to shove lighter bc many lighter shoves will be Axs, which we crush with 66-88, and small pairs, which we crush even more with 66-88.
I think we have F.E, our stack of 20bbs is exploitable, cause he put us in spot: shove or fold. But, I agree the range of 3bet/call normally is more 66-88 than ATs AJs, that's sick. But against agressive table I always gonna shove
i think i would call
Play 55 with 20bbs OOP vs 3bet range? Sick.
A bit to shallow too call. Limp/shove works well on this spots against this player types on the blinds.
Exploitable play if we dont have limp range
Always a 4-bet jam it's not even close
if im opening and always 4betting small pairs, i think there cud be an issue. not entirely sure why tho, just intuitively believe so. why is it so clear cut for you?
it is close and what we should do depends on villains 3b range
Just seen this spot come up loads before. I think it has to be all in purely because of the FE and you stand to gain so much more by him folding than you just calling.
I also think opening jam pf is reasonable, particularly if the BB will be calling a lot of hands
HRC says we can shove
13.0%, 55+ A8s+ A5s-A3s AJo+ KTs+ KQo QTs+ JTs
However that assumes everyone behind is calling 99+AQ, except the BB who calls 88 + AJs + AQo, and 55 is only showing a +0.01 profit and also assumes we are shoving big pairs.
I'd prob recommend raising with smthing like 55-66 a2s-a5s and TT-AK and than jamming 99-77,AQ,AJs,KQs,KJs,ATs etc
https://gyazo.com/c6773ee7592f1599f5d199fde0c3bd31
As for the decision facing the 3bet, I think all three are reasonable, but vs most players I don't expect to have a lot of FE vs a shove, I think its close between call and crai low card flops and fold, but if I think villain is 3betting his whole range, including stuff like KQ AT QJs etc than I'd call, i'd mainly be folding if I thought he would make it bigger with the bottom of his value range and small with the top of his value range.
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