$2200 ANZPT Main Event 47/256 runners ~27 Paid 131k up top.
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$2200 ANZPT Main Event 47/256 runners ~27 Paid 131k up top.
Start of day 3, I have about 75k in total which is about 27th in chips out of the remaining players.
Tournament chipleader is on our table with 310k in chips and is a pro online grinder. Over the first 20 hands he has had a VPIP of 80/75 0F3B. 0FCB.
He has so far played quite aggressive postflop, calling XR with cheese to then bet turn with picked up draw (got there on river so hand was seen). Hands to showdown have been A10os UTG, Q9s MP, 44MP all played aggressively.
He opens his standard 5k in MP folds to my BB and I look down at 88.
I am legitimately stumped on how to play this hand vs such an aggressive villain with this stack size OOP.
I feel like if I flat pre, I think I will be guessing on flops and turns... just check calling unless I hit an 8 but this feels like a spastic way to bleed off chips. Again I feel like 3betting pre I would need to make it slightly large to discourage a full range of calls e.g k10os, q9, j10os etc, being OOP, the vulnerability of my hand and the fact he is aggressive. But once again it feels like I will just get owned postflop on so many boards with 88 here as he will apply pressure and I will be guessing.
I could jam but it feels like my stack is too big and I am isolating myself against the top of his range? But there is a lot of dead money out there.
Fold and wait for a better spot?
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Being in the BB I'd call pretty happily heads up and closing the action. Regarding stacks depth, it looks way more attractive than shoving 30BB+ (I mean if you 3b any amount, do u really plan to fold preflop?).
If you were in the SB I'd be more inclined to 3bet, depending on BB.
Im almost always flatting here versus said villain.
flat and evaluate further. And.. wtf -> am i missing something or you would like EVER fold 88 preflop here for 1 big blind? fold imo is not-an-option
Flat.
The ANZPT main is one of the softest live MTTs you will ever play and the value of chips are so high in this thing. Don't bust taking thin lines.
Isn't it actually less than 20bb when you take antes into account... (9x400)+2400+1200 = 7200... so 2400/4800 are the effect blinds? I was taught this years ago when I used to main SnGs and I just assumed this translated over to tournaments and decisions should be adjusted based on the new effect blinds?
MrSneeze do you prefer 3betting from the SB to help stop scenarios of the BB squeezing? In this scenario the value of our hand is insets and not in raw equity if I understand as above - if it were 3betting would be the most optimal line?
Sorry rovodice, never folding pre... I meant more so fold on all non 8 boards. As
the pot will 17000~on the flop and I imagine he will cbet 100% of
boards and I will only connect decently+ with around 15%. So no point
being a hero vs aggro villain who will bet 10k on flop and 20kish on
turns - 40% of my stack invested in guessing. Also a large portion of boards I am never continuing on anyway but moreso all the boards with a single over, low paired boards, undercards and 567, 679 type boards could bleed my stack because I assumed he barrels so many turns with and without hands.
Flatting seems like the LDO option, but it is a villain who I have no real history vs but I know they are super aggressive.
I play much more cash than tournaments and my low variance line OOP vs aggro vill would be to basically set mine with 88 here, as I know I can get much better spots later. But I really don't know how this translates to tournaments. How much EQ does 88 have vs aggro villain this late in the tournament. As mentioned it is really gross to 3bet fold especially when villain COULD be 4betting pairs+ AQos+ and they only have a bigger pair than you 18% of the time when you have 88 (probability).
Because I am not sure how to play postflop efficiently with mid pairs vs aggro villain and a short stack 3betting to 13k - risking 11.6k to win the 15k in there seems like a solid line... against a vill with a decent F3B but this obviously isn't the case. So is jamming here 16bb effect ever a valid option or just spew? The consensus and most logical option does seem to be to flat pre, but I think personally I am check folding more flops as the chips in my stack are more valuable than those in pot so it is not worth the risk in an iffy situation?
Thanks for all the advice so far, I am a bit of a tournament scrub so this is helping.
I like defending here, although I can't imagine it would be bad to shove. While I agree with you that 88 isn't going to flop very well, there are still lots of boards I would be happy calling a cbet on. As previous posters mentioned, you are getting an amazing price and this tourney has to be incredibly soft, I don't see any reason to do anything other than defend.
Defo defending here, although I don't think shoving is as bad as it sounds, especially if he is playing as many hands as you say. You could also check shove a ton of boards (EG where there is say just 1 overcard), to pick up the extra cbet that is no doubt coming too.
Eg all Q52, K94 boards etc etc XR gain chips, prevent them from realising their equity and also can fold out some better hands - 99/tt.
but could be too risky this late in a tournie? :).
I think its a calculated risk and vs a player who is playing 80% of hands, I think this would be as good a spot as any, especially on the type of boards we mentioned, where this is just one over card to our pocket pair.
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