$11 turbo mtt, calling A7o vs EP 6bb shove on chip lead?
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$11 turbo mtt, calling A7o vs EP 6bb shove on chip lead?
UTG: 205044
UTG1: 189986
UTG2: 73624
LJ: 109121
HJ: 14857
CO: 59644
BN: 79465
SB: 411416
BB: 518621 (Hero)
UTG1: 189986
UTG2: 73624
LJ: 109121
HJ: 14857
CO: 59644
BN: 79465
SB: 411416
BB: 518621 (Hero)
Preflop
(18000)
(9 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
7
UTG folds, UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to 72124, and is all in, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds
UTG folds, UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to 72124, and is all in, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds
100 left, avg stack ~175K, who calls here?
Unknown shove range.
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on 6k/12k this is fist pump call
why is this a fist pump call? What hands are we beating if not flipping with?
Seems like a clear call to me as well. Villain should be shoving very wide here and A7o has enough equity to make it a profitable call. Keep in mind in tournaments you should look for any chance to get an edge. Even if it would be a less than 1bb +EV call here, especially when last to act, with a big stack, you should always take the best EV line. Folding is 0 EV so definitely a call here.
Using Holdem Resources calculator, villain should be shoving 20.1%, 33+ A2s+ A8o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s if he plays perfectly. Then you should be calling: 20.7%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ A5o K9s+ KJo+ QTs+ JTs. With A7o being +0.30bbEV
I think he is likely shoving wider than Nash as well so makes it even more a call.
If we give villain a shoving range of 30.6%, 22+ Ax+ K7s+ K9o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s 87s
You should be calling: 30.0%, 22+ Ax+ K6s+ K9o+ Q9s+ QTo+ J9s+ T9s 98s
With A7o being +0.87bb EV
Vs unknown this is a clear fold for me. Not even marginal. A8 close fold, A9 close call, ATo clear call.
He needs a very high pfr for us to be profitable here.
I really doubt the average 11$ turbo player shoves 30% here as you guys are saying.
Chip EV he should shove 20.6%, 33+ A2s+ A8o+ K9s+ KJo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s and vs this we should call 16.6%, 33+ A4s+ A8o+ KTs+ KJo+. With ICM in mind I am sure A8o turns into a fold also.
Hmm, interesting we get different chip EV results, what program and settings are you using?
When I use HR calc. push/fold Chip EV, with 6k/12k blinds (no ante) he should shove 22.5%, 22+ A2s+ A7o+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s
And Hero should call 23.4%, 22+ A2s+ A4o+ K9s+ KTo+ QTs+ JTs with A7o being +0.24bb
Does the hand history not include antes or are the blinds actually a bit lower than 6k/12k? Perhaps this would affect the ChipEV results as well..
How much of a factor is really ICM at this point as it's not very close to FT?
Unless villain is a tight player I'd imagine a lot of weaker or loose player at this level shows fairly wide here.. but I'm fairly inexperienced in tournament play so defo not sure..
This is what my HRC shows with 6k/12k blinds , unrestricted nash and chip ev model using the basic hand analysis. A7o is -0.42bb.
Did you plug in all the players' stacks? The 1.2 bb CO player changes the dynamic a lot since you have far less fold equity when shoving since he is coming along v often forcing you to win at showdown.
dude antes are 1.5k
bb should be calling
43.3%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K6o+ Q4s+ Q9o+ J7s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 85s+ 75s+ 65s 54s
At 6k/12k 1.5k total preflop amount is 31.5k. This changes everything and A7o is a call ofc.
Assuming UTG+2 has 6bb he should be shoving 25.2% of his hands. (Using Jennifer)
a7os vs that range has 44% equity. Not sure what odds you are getting on a call though. If you have the right odds should be a call.
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