11$ cubed, tricky spot

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11$ cubed, tricky spot

Blinds: t4,000/t8,000 (9 Players) BB: 387,038
UTG: 703,988
UTG+1: 530,087
MP: 182,829
MP+1: 182,718
MP+2: 341,176 (Hero)
CO: 162,406
BN: 101,625
SB: 626,248
Preflop (12,000) Hero is MP+2 with 9 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 16,400, 2 folds, Hero calls 16,400, 2 folds, SB calls 12,400, BB folds
Flop (66,200) 3 5 A
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 26,480, SB calls 26,480, UTG+1 raises to 76,000
How do you percieve range of good LAGgy, agro postflop, midstakes reg here? When he c/r that 3 way spot, in first sec i think it's little bit shitty but really... bleech...

Maybe becouse i never c/r here. Really interested about your thoughts guys.

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iHatePLO 10 years, 2 months ago

A lag could really have anything from air to a set to a straight here. Do you think a good laggy post flop mid stakes reg raises UTG+1 and just gives up on an Ace high flop?

SB can easily have connected with this flop and I still don't think UTG+1 is just going to give up here so I'm checking behind.

chester20o 10 years, 2 months ago

i should write that sb was weaktight
I don't se why he want to count on my R otf to make c/r with nuts...really. unless he think im agro, wich can be true.
but i see that spot sometimes, and always think why someone prefer c/r more than just b/c here with nuts? Board is havy coordinaded and you don't wanna giive free card esp in 3way pot.

KidBunz 10 years, 2 months ago

This is just a spot where we need to check behind otf....I don't see the merit in betting flop with our holdings when villain has checked such a board , Seems a bit trappy and can play back so often and rep a really strong range vs us!

He can always have bluffs here for sure but think in this spot with our lead looking strong and then SB flats our lead villain is more likely to be check/ r'n flop with value hands rather than a bluffing range that he's going to empty the clip with as I don't think he's folding once he sticks in the raise otf vs our stack size.

He could very well have KQcc and some un-made hands that we are still not in great shape against and vs his check/r otf it's difficult for us to continue on later streets if he decides to pile turn.

Thing is I don't think he has sets often maybe folds 33 pre, And depending on player he could also pass 55? but always has every Ax hand in his range and of course AA as he would check raise a set on a flop with FD and straight draws etc.

I also don't think he's check raising flop with his TT+ Like if he has JJ, QQ, KK, It's just a weird line to take and unless we have specific notes or a reason to believe this guy is super wide and a crazy LAG we should pass to the flop raise.

Check behind on the flop would give us more information though as we do have a hand that could be good if he stabs turn small then we can peel one and await his action on river and re-assess.

iHatePLO 10 years, 2 months ago

I'm not saying he has the nuts when he c/r's but I think there is a good chance he can beat 99.

Again I keep going back to this...

good LAGgy, agro postflop, midstakes reg here?

Maybe I'm being missing something but I just don't see a V with the description you gave above raising in EP and then just c/f on an A high flop. They may do it on rare occasion but I think he is going to put you in the cage a lot of times.

When you bet the flop...do you know why you were betting or did you just bet because he checked to you and you have 99?

Did you bet as a bluff? What hands are you trying to get to fold if so?
Did you bet for value? What hands are calling that are worse?

I try to make my decisions as easy as possible at the table and to do so I'd start with checking back on the flop.

KidBunz 10 years, 2 months ago

Yeh I agree PLO, it's a poor spot to bet (Lead) for value, A poor spot to bet as a bluff and Vs this type of villain, our hand strength, our position and board texture it's a check behind nearly100% of the time.

Also when we do lead and get raised or called we have no back doors or any decent turn cards that we could comfortably barrell and continue with (as he's never folding his Ax or Big Broadway FD's) unless we fire 3 bullets on certain run outs and play the guessing game it's just overall a bad spot to be in OOP vs such a polarised range that is imo more weighted to nutty holdings than stone cold bluffs.

chester20o 10 years, 2 months ago

I bet becouse for me when he checks otf it seems weekness. and don't worry about sb couse he will probbbly rise stronger aces pre.

I want to take down pot now, get some info, and maybe bluff MP on futcher streets. Any 3rd club seems to be good for bluff, becouse i don;t expect him to c/c FD here.

So i think he can c/c with mid Ax, maybe 77-KK, and fold that on bad turns? But that line seems be little bit weak and not mach for described lag.

I'm little bit confused about this hand, and good point is to make decisions as simple as you can.

Thanks for all comments guys!

iHatePLO 10 years, 2 months ago

Delayed cbe't are quite common now. Just because someone checks flop doesn't mean they are weak.

By your own description V is, and I quote you, " good LAGgy, agro postflop, midstakes reg here". Now if that description is correct I'm just having a hard time thinking he's going to c/f an Ace high flop after raising in EP. I know I've said that many times but I think it's very important to remember. Honestly alarm bells should be going off when he checks this flop.

As far as the SB raising stronger Aces I tend to agree but he's not raising with A5, A3 and those now have 2 pair. Not to mention he can have 33, 55, A2, A4, Ax, 24, all which beat 99.

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