$11 cubed sick spot
Posted by Rapha Nogueira
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Rapha Nogueira
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Mid Stakes
$11 cubed sick spot
UTG: 39190
UTG1: 41251 (Hero)
UTG2: 28608
LJ: 48269
HJ: 45636
CO: 44279
BN: 24936
SB: 29599
BB: 18968
UTG1: 41251 (Hero)
UTG2: 28608
LJ: 48269
HJ: 45636
CO: 44279
BN: 24936
SB: 29599
BB: 18968
Preflop
(1500)
(9 Players)
Hero was dealt
Q
K
UTG folds, Hero raises to 2000, UTG2 folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO calls 2000, BN calls 2000, SB folds, BB calls 1000
UTG folds, Hero raises to 2000, UTG2 folds, LJ folds, HJ folds, CO calls 2000, BN calls 2000, SB folds, BB calls 1000
BB is the tighest man on earth.
CO is playing 16 vpip, 17 rfi, 0/15 3b in 36 hands
Hero playing 27 vpip, 25 rfi, 12 3b.
CO is playing 16 vpip, 17 rfi, 0/15 3b in 36 hands
Hero playing 27 vpip, 25 rfi, 12 3b.
Flop
(8500)
5
5
Q
(4 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets 3920,
CO calls 3920,
BN folds,
BB calls 3920
I think it is ok to x/c this flop but I guess most people are 3betting AQ pre and they dont have that much 5x on their ranges.
Turn
(20260)
5
5
Q
8
(3 Players)
BB checks,
Hero bets 7740,
CO calls 7740,
BB folds
River
(35740)
5
5
Q
8
2
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
CO bets 30494, and is all in
Mr. Game theory usually will recommend me to call here since 76/hearts are higher combos than Qx and he probably don't flat 65s pre given stats and 76s maybe the bottom of his range.
It is a 30bb bet OTR... fold or call ?
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I guess i'm not most ppl, b/c i don't 3b AQ preflop as CO vs utg1 unless utg1 is very aggro. I would check either flop or turn. IDK what to do on river.
unless utg1 is very aggro
I think I fit on the description. I am not sure if AQ need to jam this river
And I am ok with checking turn but 8 is a card that improves so much their floating ranges and I want to charge that a bit and let him bluff river. A bit of pot control is usually better.
Weird line from CO, it could be an explanation to that hand if he did have some history with you, in that case he could probably try to make a play at you because i don't see any improve at his range with that river card. I think as played we have to fold as we still keep a decent stack and we are not so sure there where we stand.
I wonder what other people think about b/f river for a 1/3 of the pot, after all the 2s is a brick and we could still get some value from any 8 or weaker Q suposing he is callings us
I think b/c is worse than x/c since he can jam hearts and I have to fold all my Qx. He can't relentlessly jam AQ because I am probably x/c AA and KK here.
I see a reason for him to have multiple bet sizings here. He can bet smaller AQ/KQ/KJhh/AJhh/AThh for the reasons I cited above and jam QQ/55/88/hearts/J9/JT/76s/87s/97s. But to be precise on this only 36 hands doesn't talk much about his preflop tendencies.
If he has 88/AQ nh him. You can't fold this river
I didn't fist pump call but when I called I was happy with my call (probably nut bluff catcher) even tough it wasn't good.
In this situation, in game id have a hard time laying this down and i certainly dont hate the call here. What did he show up with in the end?
QQ
u gotta think he has a whole lot of bluffs by the river. i rly dont see that many
His shove on the river is so polarized. It is the nuts or almost (88555) or a missed flushdraw with he thinks he can get you of Q´s hand. Because i think even a 5 he would have raised on the turn. In the lower stake tournaments i call this 100% of the time because imo the weaker players are too scared to not get any value on the river and will make a smaller bet.
does 88 call flop everytime here on flop? not sure about that with your cbet into multiple people and has players behind.... and not entirely sure 5x raises before the river that often. he will want to flat flush draws IP as well as Qx so i don't think raising his 5x wud make sense as he weakens calling range and doesn't have incentive to raise turn with flush draws when he can flat them at good price and steal the river if checked to (and balance that with 5x that flatted)
Against my betting range Qx, KK+, A5s, 54s, 98hh, JThh, AKhh, T9hh, 76hh I don't think 88 has enough equity to call. I agree with your reasoning but it isn't that the population do.
do you also agree its best to not raise before river as the guy IP ?
it depends on my river x/c frequency and what range I am bet/calling turn. If my turn betting range is strictly Qx, KK+, A5s, 54s, 98hh, JThh, AKhh, T9hh, 76hh and I am x/c AA-KK/AQ-KQ, betting A5s/54s/heart drawsand x/f heart draws with Th/Jh/9h guess raising turn may be worse since I'd fold almost all of my x/c range OTR against the turn raise.
2 months ago hand :p
was just thinking in regards to this hand and in general. i never really see much reason to raise turn IP when opponent has clear range edge and will be barreling a good amount of rivers. it seems silly when we have position cause we can just raise the river. in this case, ranges are tighter so there will be less pure bluffs in your range, but in general, thats a big downs of raising IP. it just looks sooooo strong too
( ) sick spot. ( x ) easy x/f. :) This guy doesn't 3b so all of the AQ, QQ-AA in his range as well as 55, 88 considering tight plrs behind.Don't think he'll ever bluff shove enough FD combos to make the call profitable, considering how strong his value range is.
36 hands isn't enough to say that he doesn't 3bet. a lot of his flop floating range improves on this turn which increases his river bluffing range by a substancial amount, that aren't only fds. I'd rather look him with KQ than AA/KK on this spot I strongly disagree against std population that this is an easy x/f.
If we give him a range of 55, QQ,88, AA, KK, AQ,AhKh,AhJh,KhJh,AhTh,KhTh,JhTh,Ah9h,Th9h,9h8h,8h7h, that`s 22 value combos and 10 air combos.
You need around 31% equity and you have 31% against the above assigned range.So even if he bluffs all of his air combos 100% (which is very unlikely), calling is break even at best.
I was not serious about the "easy fold", in the previous post (hence the smiley), definitely not an easy fold in game, but correct none the less.
yeah, too much chip utility given up by bluff catching 30 bigs on this river. even tough KQcc is pretty high up on my bluff catching range but there is no reason to call without an insane read that he is overbluffing the spot.
does this guy have like jtdd t9dd j9dd 76dd ever? issue is pot way multiway so he may not float as much as ppl say. he doesn't seem like he has that stats to imply he has these at 100% frequency.
if I am x/f KQcc OTR he probably makes money by floating even some offsuit combos there.
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