11 1r1a - Final Table Vs Chipleader
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11 1r1a - Final Table Vs Chipleader
BN: vanway: 583498
SB: R.Guerra: 455534
BB: ricardons8: 274079
UTG: giveall$4me: 267285
HJ: Biggest_Fi5h: 1660267
CO: RNGadmin: 590337
SB: R.Guerra: 455534
BB: ricardons8: 274079
UTG: giveall$4me: 267285
HJ: Biggest_Fi5h: 1660267
CO: RNGadmin: 590337
Preflop
(21000)
(6 Players)
vanway was dealt
A
T
giveall$4me folds, Biggest_Fi5h raises to 29540, RNGadmin folds, vanway raises to 70000, R.Guerra folds, ricardons8 folds, Biggest_Fi5h raises to 154000, vanway folds
giveall$4me folds, Biggest_Fi5h raises to 29540, RNGadmin folds, vanway raises to 70000, R.Guerra folds, ricardons8 folds, Biggest_Fi5h raises to 154000, vanway folds
Final Pot
Biggest_Fi5h
wins 171500
blinds are 7K/14k
The Chipleader is playing agresive and really solid. I decided to fold cause I still had a good stack, and there's 2 shortstacks behind me, but not sure if it was a good fold, or I could have shipped all in. Any thoughts?
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These are the tricky spots, with the two shorter stacks you set yourself up to be icm raped by biggest fish. You need really strong reads in this spot to ship AT imo, since with his stack and perceived image you dont have a lot of FE. He can call and lose and still be chipleader so I doubt youll make him fold a lot of better hands than AT.
I like a flat more with AT here, given ICM factors I guess the hands we could get it in with profitable is QQ+. So the ship with AT could only be somewhat ok if we expect a large pct of folds from him.
Flatting pre and playing a pot in position would have my preference , since AT prob has a lot of value, but by 3b in this spot, weget 4b soooo many times by a competent reg like this, we almost turn it into a bluff, since we cant really call of or GIT imo.
So fold is $EV wise best, it sucks though when someone is hammering the table like this and there isnt much we can do about it.
If we're 3betting to induce folds only, we're doing it wrong. Because essentially this is what's going to happen w a solid aggro chipleader that has you icm caged. I much rather see you 3bet/folding w K2s here, than a strong valuehand like ATo. Our plan with this hand should either be to flat pre, of 3b/5b gii. We will just get exploited too much by 3betting with such a hand if our plan is to fold to further action. He's not going to flat in this spot, and when he does i would probably be very scared of potential traps. We just have to accept that we're his bitch for the time being and adjust our 3bet ranges accordingly.
I agree with this one and I think flat > 3b/5b gii when two players appear to have < 20 BB stacks.
Although I can't tell by the OP if "playing aggressive" just means opening tons of pots or if the CL has been 4 betting pre a lot as well. If he's already played back at 3 bets I probably switch to a 3b/5b plan since we can jam and have FE and probably expect to take it down a good % of the time that way.
And doing that probably makes the CL slow down at least for a little while.
Thank you both! As you said, I should have called and play ip. Well, I'll remember next time! Thanks!
Definitely with Cairy, here. I think my 3b range here is solely suited Ax and Kx as bluffs + my strong stuff. This is a great spot to flat.
He's going to be super wide here given one of the shorter stacks is about to be hit by the blinds and the other is in the BB who is probably going to play passive so he doesn't drop down to a clear last position.
As others have pointed out this is a spot where we want to be flatting most of our range. ATo specifically is just weak enough that I don't mind using it as part of our very narrow 3b/fold range...I think its very borderline between 3b/f, flat and just straight up folding to the open. A9o I would definitely be mucking and AJ-AK are all clear calls imo.
Thank you very much everyone!
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