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Victim mentality and entitlement have crept into my mindset! What can I do?

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Victim mentality and entitlement have crept into my mindset! What can I do?

Recently I've noticed that a weird combination of these two flaws are prominent in my mindset mid session.

When bad beats happen I find myself saying "yeah obviously" and in spots where I know someone is never bluffing and has to have got there (usually luckily) I say "he's never bluffing here" and put him on maybe his exact hand and then call off saying again the "yeah obviously! Fuck I run so bad" or some shit like that...

Also it seems like because about 6 months ago I got into a really good flow and zone were I was just crushing my stakes on the euros and felt untouchable there seems to be a kind of entitlement complex for results...

What can I start doing pre, during & post sessions to get to the crux of these habits and mental flaws and get back to enjoying the game, playing my best and crushing.

N.B. I think sometimes after bad beats where I feel like a victim I'm prone to calling off in light spots or being a bit spewy "because obviously I'm not going to win and bust on the FT bubble...." ssssiiiggghhh...

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David Zforlife12 9 years, 5 months ago

The Mindset Advantage Podcast is very thought provoking man. They interview the best in poker and I take away something from each podcast. Usually some aspect is around mindset so i hope this helps you as well.

rungoodgid 9 years, 5 months ago

Cheers bro!!! Big fan of it too, have listened to it religiously since it's birth :D

Tommy Angelo's book sounds awsome!! It's on my list!

jmCorleon 9 years, 4 months ago

Stumbled on to this thread and then started reading that podcast. This stuff is GOLD. very many thanks for putting that Podcast out there.

Nueropathy 9 years, 4 months ago

Haven't viewed any poker strat for a while but these thoughts helped me avoid tilt before I became influenced with how tilt impacted other people & it was contagious.

If it wasn't for poker you wouldn't have the opportunity to lose somebody else's $ to lose in the first place. Losing is part of the equation for making $. The entire process is (likely) a huge net victory compared to the job you aren't working at to play poker (based on life sit.). Overall there's not much to complain about. If you take time to reflect & assign a $ figure due to tilt. It's usually a lot easier to get things back together after you realize it costs __ $/min (in the longrun) to be angry regardless of how many buy-ins you won or lost in the last x number of hands.

GameTheory 9 years, 4 months ago

in spots where I know someone is never bluffing and has to have got there (usually luckily) I say "he's never bluffing here" and put him on maybe his exact hand and then call off saying again the "yeah obviously! Fuck I run so bad" or some shit like that...

Raise him off his draw on the turn.

unknown20 9 years, 4 months ago

isn't it better to say how much EV, FE+RE does one need to raise on the turn while some players might have weak turn ranges if they have a lot of draws? it seems like a more advanced player with stronger more balanced ranges would bet a draw on the turn or a pair+FD?

jdstl 9 years, 4 months ago

Do some mental reframes or use language patterns to break the cycle. For instance "I know I'm the only one in the world who runs bad. No one else EVER experiences beats or runs bad or plays poorly. I've never run hot vs someone else my entire poker career. Clearly the world is out to get me." Or. "This guy got lucky on me so I know my best response is to tilt and make bad decisions because giving him more money will surely teach him a lesson." Or "Every time I tilt I'm effectively giving my opponents money. That's CLEARLY the way to become a great poker player!" Say it with emotion, almost like your making fun of yourself. It usually gets you to laugh and breaks the pattern.

Tommy Angelo 9 years, 3 months ago

What can I start doing ... to get to the crux of these habits and mental flaws

That will depend on you, and what seems reasonable to you, and what is doable for you. And those perspectives never stop changing. So the direct answer to your question is, nobody knows yet. You just started. Which is what I opened this post to congratulate you about:

Recently I've noticed that a weird combination of ... flaws are prominent in my mindset

That's the essential step to any intentional mindset upgrades imo. The rest is just doing stuff!

t

rungoodgid 9 years, 2 months ago

Thanks for that. Seems like an innate part of being human is wanting quick fixes and work arounds to avoid long drawn out hard work processes. Good to be reassured that the latter is normally the only solution...

prinsjay 9 years, 3 months ago

well, I play mostly cash. But I feel I can recognize, what you are going through. My way out of it was to review a ton of hands after every session. Mostly first thing the day after. To figure out exactly how bad I was running(pretty often it really wasn't that bad). It also made me think hard about taking better lines in common spots and I got a ton of notes on my opponents. But it was hard for me to get that routine going, because what I wanted the most....was to get back and get even.

bardorodeo 9 years, 3 months ago

HI,
I too struggle with entitlement tilt and victim mentality when playing poker. Tommy Angelo's work is probably the best stuff out there on how to work on reducing the effects of these types of things on your game. Elements of Poker and his Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightenment will certainly help if you take them to heart. Easier said than done. Also Dr. Schoonmaker has written a few articles recently on locus of control which may help you with the victim mentality issue.

Here is what I've taken from both of their work that is currently helping me with these issues:

1) Remember that no one is entitled to win at poker. If you buy into a tourney, or buy a rack of chips, all you are entitled to is the opportunity to sit and play at the table.

2) Put poker in its proper place in your life and the grand scheme of things. Even if it is how you pay the bills. Just like any other job or career, you must find time away from poker to have a balanced life. Make time for friends and other hobbies. Have other interests that are not related to poker. If you have a life rich with experiences and joy beyond the poker table, then those bad beats and downswings won't seem so bad. If all you do is play poker, every bad beat will feel worse than it really is. And if you don't have good things going on outside of poker it can seem like everything in your life is going bad.

3) Sleep. Rest. Take breaks. Eat Well. Exercise. If I'm not well rested and fed, I know that I will tend to play "impatient poker" and play my C game. I get angry at others and do some very -EV plays. I recognize this pattern and try to avoid it at all costs.

4) Meditate in whatever way you like be that prayer, going for a run, mindfulness exercises. These really help me stay humble and appreciative that I have the time and money to play a game for fun & profit. I am grateful and lucky to be doing something like playing poker instead of worrying about where to find enough food & water for my daily needs. Most people on this planet are dealing with some pretty awful and tough circumstances.

5) Don't take poker too seriously. It is a rich and wonderful game. Full of opportunity to continually learn and improve. After losing a big hand or during a downswing. First look inward to how you could improve and/or approach the game in a different way. By Take responsibility for your own outcomes & results instead of looking outward and trying to blame others (victim mentality).

6) Have fun. At least for me since I play live MTT's I really enjoy the social aspect. And as a bonus. When I'm having fun, relaxing and really enjoying playing the game for the game's sake, I usually have better results. If you don't think you will enjoy the session you're about to play, why not just do something else? Take a friend to dinner. Go for a walk. Listen to some nice music. Try learning a new language, musical instrument. Anything. Just don't play poker when you have a feeling that your mind wants to be elsewhere.

Brad

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