trouble staying motivated after playing higher
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trouble staying motivated after playing higher
hey guys,
most of this year i played 2/4 live no limit holdem with very good results, decent five figure score and i start playing 5/10 live which is a little bit more difficult (but still ridic easy compared to online) and my swings are quite big.
Online i play most of the time nl100 6max zoom. Now my problem is, when i played some 2/4 or 5/10 and lost like something between 300-1k i have serious trouble bringing my A-game to the zoom tables. I think i still want to play them to keep my game sharp. (like my source of edge over the live field^^)
How do you guys motivate yourself to play your best, i feel sometimes i am not even trying hard enough which is always a bad thing since these game are thougher than they used to be.
Happy to hear some thoughts and tipps,
Cheers,
TeddyKGB
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A couple of things that I came into my head and would suggest you to consider:
NL100 zoom is probably much tougher than most 2/4 live games, so you should take NL100 even MORE seriously from this standpoint.
You should clear your mind when moving down/up at stakes. What I mean by this is that you can't think about your recent winnings/losses when playing higher/lower limits, because your winnings/losses will be higher/lower when you play different stakes. Clear your head and think about big blinds instead of money.
No matter what stakes you play, it is always the same game. Instead of focusing money, put your focus more on the game itself.
Play one hand at a time and focus more on learning instead of how much you are winning.
In theory I would agree with what Samu Patronen says. However after playing MTT poker professionally for around 7 years now, I have learned to observe my mind and face certain realities. And one reality is simply the "problem" you describe OP. Once you start playing higher and higher, you definitely get less motivated for the lower buy ins. For example I catch myself making more variance heavy plays when I play lower buy ins, where its either way more players to go through for the same amount of money, or its a small field and only a small amount of money to be won. While in theory this is not the desirable mindset, you can not just pretend from then to now that you are all of a sudden approaching all the games with the same motivation. While working on it, we should still factor this in when we make up our schedule.
So before I even register for a game, I ask myself whether I am really motivated for it. When I feel at that moment that the big $11 isnt doing it for me, I simply only register for the big $109 as an example. You play cash but the mindset thing still applies. I also by now rather play a fewer amount of games and play the games I really enjoy, rather than trying to force in volume or "good games" just because on paper it should increase my hourly rate.
Another reality for me personally is, that if I am down only a small amount of money or if I am just at peak profit and have zero losses, I am most motivated to put in the small games as well, because then I know when im winning its profit and not just a cut to the downswing. So even though this goes against what reasonable people will teach you, when im down more money, I actually cut a little bit on the games im not motivated for and rather focus on fewer games and study more.
Also a break helps to kind of restart the mind. Lets say when you are down 20k and you just keep playing, every small win just feels like a drop of water on a hot stone. However after a certain amount of days off, this feeling actually changes and when you come back to the game, every win actually feels like a win because your mind starts from scratch in my experience.
So for your case, I would simply advice not to play nl100 zoom online when you come out of a fresh losing session from the live games. Rather let some time pass, whatever amount is needed to reset the mind. Also, I would rather schedule things such that you play the nl100 zoom before the live sessions and then afterwards always have a bit of a break, unless you have been winning and feel good.
Good stuff and I agree. I should have included some of the stuff you said to my answer, but these things didn't come to mind at the time. You certainly should not just ignore the fact that you feel less motivated to play lower limits, because the problem doesn't just disappear if you just think differently (over time it might, but short-term it really doesn't).
And by saying "clear your head" I meant that you should do certain activities that help you to clear your mind from unproductive stuff. Those things would be, for example, taking a break and doing something else for a while and/or meditation, things like that.
Independently confirmed my theory by doing more than just thinking about it. Regged only big 109 and wed 530 plo8, 3rd in big 109. Now regging wed 320 for sample size reasons
Thank you both, you made some good points. Not playing after losingsession is obviously a solution. I think i kind of lost my goals for online and i shouldn't ignore that.
Samu's and Linc's replies cover anything I would have added. I can tell you how I overcame this problem remarkably early in my career, considering how many other problems stuck with me for years.
This was before there was NL in casinos. I'd go in to play $20/40 or $40/80 hold'em. Hold it! There's the problem. Seeing $3/6 and $6/12 as "lesser games" that "didn't matter as much."
I knew I would play rather than not play. Meaning I would play whatever was open. So I played a lot of $6/12 and $3/6 while I was "waiting" for a seat in my "real" game.
And I would leak a little preflop at $3/6. And then from there, I would go straight into a $20/40 or $40/80 -- and here's the key -- having just trained myself right out of the gate to see the flop in marginal situations. I was practicing bad playing at $3/6, at the worst possible time.
So, I started looking at my $3/6 time as actual warmup time. My job, despite the temptation of gambling a little at the lower stakes, was to play tighter at $3/6 than anyone who ever breathed on a $3/6 table. To set my pro mindset.
And I still do that now. My main game is $5/10 NLHE live, and I'll always take a $2/5 seat if there's no $5/10 seat open. And I know I can "get away with more" at $2/5 than at $5/10. IOW, I think my optimum VPIP at $2/5 is higher than at $5/10. But when I get in that $2/5 game for half an hour or so to start my session, my intention is to play the same VPIP as my low-gear $5/10 game.
Not sure if this is even on topic anymore but there ya go!
Tommy
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