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The last nitring grinder wants to improve and move up

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The last nitring grinder wants to improve and move up

Well, I had a blog in this forum before, that I just decided to stop updating because the goal stopped making sense to me since day 1 (thanks a lot everyone who posted very good arguments) and also because I didn´t really see the point (to me ) in keep updating. Like, what do I really want to accomplish by writing about my poker journey? Unless I see some (any) benefit, it doesn´t make any sense, I´m way better off using the time to study and/or play more.

Yet, I have seen so many examples of people who were lowstakes grinders and, by making PGC threads, seemed to get the motivation to improve (I see this as a self reinforcing loop, they start the blog, a few viewers get in, they put the effort, get results, more people come in, more motivation, and it goes on). I think the community effect plays a very big role, way bigger than I, as an introvert in general, can see.

I don´t see myself writing those very well-written posts, almost like full essays, on poker and life-related things, because it takes time and energy and I will end up just giving up. But I will make the effort and do my best to make disciplined updates at regular times. Improving my discipline can´t be bad, it translates so well to poker and most things in life. My biggest inspiration here are the Onklebs journals, if I can get close to what the guy achieved, I will be extremely happy.

Even our philosophies, considering his first post, are similar. And I´m still a fan of Nick Howard hehe.

I want to keep playing the simplified strategy I developed since last year. The easiest way to explain why I think we should play simple is because A) it´s easier to play accurately and do less mistakes, and we lose when we make mistakes (and profit when it´s the opponent who make them). B) mental energy conservation, to be able to grind longer while making good decisions (and also, to have the energy to spend when in tougher spots).

I want to move up, so no ultra-nitty BRM anymore, no trying to achieve x big winrate at y stake playing insane # of hands. Still, I want to prove myself at the limits and move up when I can realistically say I´m beating the current limit at a decent enough winrate to make probabilities of winning at the higher one good enough. No ultra-nitty BRM by the way doesn´t mean no BRM, or aggressive BRM. When I move up, I don´t really want to move down again, I will put full effort into succeding and only move down in case I see the skill jump is too high for me at the moment, or in case of a catastrophy $-wise. I play my best when I´m not looking into results all the time, and the shot-taking method implies we should be looking at results at least once every day (or all the time if it´s too aggressive). Too much energy spent here is less energy available to actually improving.

I´m unable to play big volume right now, as I´m travelling far from home, but I´m still playing and studying on most days. This will be sorted out in a few days anyways :)

I think monthly updates will be the most optimal for me, and will be my goal at first.

Poker goals? Well, I want to establish myself at 50nl, but I don´t have the roll and I think I need to develop more skills first. I took shots there already, agree with those who said 25nl and 50nl are similar limits (similar, not the same, there are better players at 50nl as anyone should expect. Also, sample sizing for reaching this conclusion is ridiculously small and it´s mostly feeling got from playing a little there). For this I need the roll, and I need to improve a lot.

Lifetime results so far:

By the way, my name is João, nice to meet you ladies and gentleman.

Cheers

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João Guimarães 2 years, 1 month ago

When I made the opening, I have already played a session today. Then, I played a smallish nightly session and ended up looking at my results, so for the sake of transparency, here they are:

Now, no looking at results until Mar 31.

João Guimarães 2 years, 1 month ago

So, today I was thinking a little bit about why so many professional poker players, even very successful ones, end up not enjoying the game that much, or as much as they did when they began their careers. A lot seem to dread even sitting to play, count the days/weeks/months to retirement, and only play because they need the money.

A few years ago, I remember reading a piece in a sports magazine about football players, active and retired, who smoked. It also touched on things like why so many of them, close to retirement or shortly after, ended up gaining a lot of weight (brazilian example on both would be Ronaldo). And last but not least, why so many players (this happens a lot here in Brazil at least) go out so much, to nightclubs, bars etc, even when they are not supposed or allowed to do it. The writer's opinion was that, on highly disciplined professions, where you can´t really have a life out of the game if you want to be the best, where everything turns around the sport, the whole need to keep eating well and exercising and, again, not being allowed to be "normal", these young guys end up just doing the entire opposite, becoming as unhealthy as they can in some cases, overcompensating for all the sacrifices they made for so many years.

So yes, I can totally understand when someone who seems like a very successful poker player, says they don´t really love the game anymore. Considering poker really requires sacrifice, for months/years at a time, I don´t really know what would be the solution though.

Demondoink 2 years, 1 month ago

Hey man, good luck this year! If i had any advice for you it would be to move up asap so that you can get out of this micro stakes rake trap. If you struggle with moving up (which i have also done in the past) then you need to look inward and ask why. Self help books are a good start, as are things such as meditation etc that make you more present and less of a prisoner to your own thoughts.

In terms of this post, i can probably relate. I still enjoy poker but i've been playing it for almost ten years professionally now, and have made a bunch of sacrifices along the way- not meeting new people through work, not focusing much on dating etc either. I think sometimes you just move on from something you enjoy as it comes to a natural end. I'm not saying i'm going to quit, but what i would say is that i'd be extremely surprised if i was still playing professionally in another ten years time.

Speaking from a personal perspective- i don't want to do the same thing for my entire life. I want to seek out new challenges, and change career to test myself in other ways- perhaps testing myself in a social way, or in a leadership sense etc instead of a logical/stoic way that poker has required.

However, what i am not going to do is get fat and go to clubs. Discipline is now a way of life for me. I will take the discipline that i have learned from thousands of hours of playing and studying poker towards running another marathon, opening up my own business or learning another game (like chess) to a high skill level.

I think those footballers never had SELF discipline to begin with. They only had external discipline from their coaches, managers, team mates, agents etc. However, as a poker player we can only really rely on ourselves as it's a solo game. So naturally we develop self discipline and then can utilise that for the rest of our lives in other endeavours.

Good post! It was very thought provoking :)

João Guimarães 2 years, 1 month ago

Hey Demondoink , thsnk you very much for your advice. I understand the importance of moving up, and thanks to you (and the others who told me the same), I conquered a decent part of my mental block and moved up to 25nl, which was back then new territory and I wasn´t (nor am right now) overrolled for it.

I definitely have a rule for shot taking at 50nl who shouldn´t take too long (definitely shouldn´t take more than 2 months I believe), while at the same time would permit some more volume at 25. The thing is, I have this constant inner voice telling me to go up right now, to do very aggressive shot taking etc, so I am not a pure scared nit by any means, actually I see myself more as a two opposite forces fighting all the time, and the nitty wins usually only because it is the disciplined and the one who looks more logical to me.

I read one of the mobius blog posts a few days ago, about loss aversion, and I´m afraid I must admit I am just an average human being regarding the feelings of losing vs winning, and while my tolerance for pain is pretty high, I definitely feel more pain than pleasure on average even though I have a winning overall graph. I think I would burnout way faster if I started to accept big swings on a smaller roll.

I didn´t post this on my OP but to the ** with it :) , my rule to shot taking is 30 BIs with 5 BIs stop losses, which I think is definitely NOT nitty hehe

Thanks again man,

João Guimarães 2 years ago

Low volume but swingy month:

I thought a lot, while I was on the bad stretch you guys can see, about my whole approach to the game, and some lessons about myself. For example, from the rational and technical standpoint, I understand very perfectly what is going on. It´s the mental part that still fails and leads to some, let´s say, anger. Knowing I´m still prone to feel this way is good (still lots of room for improvement). Seeing that I felt this way but still kept playing according to my gameplan is also good (I am improving :) ).

Also, I will never get tired of remembering how bad my logistical approach to the game still is, and it all comes down to a simple word, discipline. I wouldn´t be surprised if a big % of the reason I have a low winrate at the micros is just this very simple factor. A few passages from a blog of someone I really respect:

"So here's my theory: I think if you're losing at low stakes, which despite the rake, should be the easiest place to win, then you are most likely breaking down at the logistical level. That means there is something fundamentally wrong with the way that you approach poker as a profession.

Just do me a favor and picture this. I am going to paint a picture of a hypothetical poker player. This person plays poker about 80-100 hours per month–not a ton of volume but definitely a respectable amount. When he does play, he makes sure that he is as focused as he possibly can be. He's not distracted by anything that's going on around him, he doesn't have his phone nearby, and he's not surfing the web while he plays. He's just hitting his volume goal and playing really high-quality poker, month in and month out.

He also doesn't have any major health issues. He sleeps well, he exercises enough, and he puts good food in his body. He studies about 20 hours per month, sometimes more when he's really feeling it. (That includes reviewing all of his pots that he has played over 10 or 15 big blinds to make sure he is able to justify all of the significant decisions he's making.) He has access to a coach who is better than him who he meets with on a regular basis. He's not under any extreme financial pressure because he has alternative sources of income, at least for now until poker becomes more profitable. He also doesn't have any major bankroll management issues and he has a solid plan for how and when he is going to move up in stakes.

Basically he knows his plan is solid, so he sticks to it. He doesn't worry extensively about his plan failing. He doesn't try to do so much that he completely burns out or forgets to enjoy his life outside of poker. He doesn't expect that success in poker will be the most difficult thing in the world. He just knows that if he lines up enough good decisions in a row, eventually he'll win enough to move up to mid stakes, and then mid stakes will eventually become high stakes.

Now imagine this player is doing all of that, and he is LOSING at low stakes.

You can't picture this person because he doesn't exist."

https://www.mobiuspoker.com/blog/the-reason-you-are-losing-at-low-stakes

Well, it´s not the first time that I set discipline goals, make the effort and it doesn´t work, but I also know myself enough that if I keep trying despite the failures will lead to success eventually.

My updates will be quarterly from now on. Worrying about results, the constant look at results I bet most of us keep doing all the time, is a very big distraction. This is probably one of the biggest trials in our self discipline, but we shouldn´t avoid important things just because they are difficult right?

Focus, focus, focus during the sessions. In everything. From preparation, to table selection, note taking, to playing focused even if that means more sessions but shorter ones.

Study obviously.

No expectations, thinking about the future or whatever. Always staying in the moment, enjoying the process, taking it seriously but still having fun.

Cheers

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