SHADY! RIO Free elite top5 monthly
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SHADY! RIO Free elite top5 monthly
So I've been active to try and get top5 Monthly for once and get free RIO elite. Due to this I have been taking screenshots and posting them to our discord group. Bit of a happy moment sharing amongst our study group.
Yesterday 28/04 21:42 GMT+1 this was the status: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkhdgkcffygn431/yesterday.png?dl=0
Lowest visible is 42 points.
I have checked more today and it looked stable. I checked not that long ago, maybe 15 minutes and this is how it now looks: https://www.dropbox.com/s/asvkgcegdysj61z/Today.png?dl=0
All of a sudden there is a person named Flight_risk in there, suddenly gaining 55 points in no time. I checked his activity and he posted 6 posts today with a total of a few likes. He only has 100 points in a lifetime.
Seems shady! So I did some more digging. A lot of his posts got liked by two other accounts, Badabing (1point) and ishflop (0point).
I hope I'm wrong but it seems unlikely and want to bring attention to it.
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Prior to giving out our free monthly elite memberships we check for legitimacy or abuse of the system so no need to worry.
I see. I'm not worried for myself. Just found it weird and didn't know if anything was in place. Thanks for the reply.
Nothing shady. Harassment from my brother and roommate would be more like it. I didn't know the points actually meant anything until I read this. Apologies. I don't want to ruffle feathers here I love RIO. I've been telling them about it and I guess that's what I get. Very sorry. I'll make sure they dont do it anymore
Sounds like a bs story to me.
Let's not jump to conclusions. It could be true as one off the two upvoters did write a post on his Poker Journal before I posted this. And did mention him by name.
We as users don't have all the information. Let's not make another member feel unwelcome on assumptions.
All I wanted was this to be looked into if it was legit or not.
Whatever man. I’m just trying to explain. I don’t need a free membership. You keyboard tough guys can fight over it.
lIlCitanul
Ty for that... when I logged in last night was quite surprised by seen a member who I haven't see post ever to climb up the ranks so fast. I was sure something shady was going on...
TBH, this month, I don't deserve the free RIO membership, I haven't post enough so I would more than glad if a legit user have it instead of me... .well, it doesn't seem to be the case
What a conspiracy :D but seriously the guy isn't doing anything too shady. He's just cracked the code. Comment on videos and make a journal. I'm maybe one of the posters that's got the smallest fraction of points that way so it's not like I'm trying to encourage people to hack the system or anything. Truth is that most people don't want good strategy points when they post a HH. They just want confirmation to overcome their big losing hand. If you give them that, you get likes. The other thing people want is inspiration and graphs. Showing them it's possible to make it.
I think we all know that journaling and make comments on videos is the way to go to achieve points, especially using Pros like in order to get up in the ranking.
He haven't cracked anything actually, the same accounts give him points, 100+ points in one day :D
The person who is doing this is Yolan. He has been at the top as far as I was tracking. Increases in increments of 5 and posts as good as only on Pro videos. The few other comments I have seen I have upvoted myself, they are really good quality. Guy knows his stuff!
Not the case with who I was referencing.
Ah, ok. Thought you were talking about flight risk as it he came in here so I clicked at his name and it didn't look "shady".
It's not the first time this happens.
I am talking about Flight_risk. I'm saying I have seen people post on Pro videos only and get there such as Yolan.
Flight_risk got 55+ points in less than 24 hours with 6 posts. Even if all those pro's from those videos liked his comment (which they didn't at the time of posting this. Some have now and his score rose) that wouldn't be sufficient.
Yeah, agree that is odd.
P.S. I'm Andreas from the old Skype group if you forgot SP but didn't make the discord transition.
I know. And I know you also grinded out RIO points back in the day!
Discord is rather active these days. Too bad we don't have your expertise anymore.
Wanted to jump in here too with my personal opinion. As Mikey said we are indeed checking the results for legitimacy before publishing them. That having said, lIlCitanul we still somewhat appreciate you sharing any concerns you might have as, of course, this points us to things we should inspect and helps us not missing anything. Apart from your title choice :/ :P I also appreciate the way you communicated your first message. While still a bit aggressive you left some room for doubt and in your follow up posts remained fair to Flight_Risk giving him credit for his explanation.
I think all of the people active in this thread will agree that naturally there always come up critical community members to deal with that might have you find your eyes rolling when reading their inappropriate posts. We are in a lucky position here at Run It Once that compared to other forums and platforms we keep an incredibly friendly tone which is not something Run It Once can take credit for. But I can't say how appreciative we are that we can call ourselves the home of such a great and friendly community.
Now I want to point out that CLEARLY Flight_Risk is NOT one of these users at all. I personally looked into this deeply upon this post and have to say that I'd like to harshly reject any of the accusations in this regard. The free Elite giveaway each month is meant to act as a thank you to all of you (many of you gathered in this thread) that keep the forums a place to improve for new and long-time students alike, to find some social interaction and possibly even new friends in the long run. It's also an invaluable tool for our coaches to get feedback from the very members the videos are produced for and for ourselves to find current leaks and areas to improve as a training site. I cannot stress enough that I feel our new monthly leaderboarder Flight_Risk checks almost all of these boxes. He provided lots of value to our community over the last few weeks with all of his activity. And I don't like the thought of members who are possibly naturally inclined to show a high forum activity getting second thoughts due to a fight over the monthly leaderboards.
While the leaderboard structure we have been following since years clearly is far from perfect, please keep in mind it is a giveaway. I think it does a great job of rewarding all types of different people. There are those who have a very advanced poker knowledge and are incredibly valuable for all others reading their posts who want to improve themselves. There are members who are just on their way up and are likely to post countless of strategically sub-optimal posts (myself included) that will however give them a chance to improve based on the feedback and possibly still help other players at an even more beginning level regardless. They also provide the better players interesting insights into 2020 player pool tendencies and the current state of the game and like this could even contribute to a very strong player's success at the tables in finding good exploits. There are those of you who get into highest level discussions with our pros below their videos and likewise also those, who just like to leave a friendly comment if they enjoyed a video. While one could argue which of these different membertypes (and the many more not mentioned) could deserve a free Elite membership the most - I don't think that's the plan. It is thought to give all types of different members a unique chance to experience Run It Once at its fullest.
I'm personally very happy to see a new member coming up and playing his part to increase the forum livelihood, so thanks for that Flight_Risk and you should not have any bad feelings with regards to conquering your well-deserved prize.
Once again, lIlCitanul I know that you had no bad intentions at all with your post. And we really do appreciate it because obviously we don't want the giveaway being based on 'cheating' to claim the prize. And I do understand that your main concern came up from many of the likes shared by similar users. Doubtlessly, it's an advantage in that regard to have some of your friends on the forum as well but in this very case we can outrule any scammy behavior. If we find people multi-accounting just for the sake of the leaderboard, we will be doing our best to spot this and we have some options to succeed in this. If it gets really gross we'll team up with the security team from Run It Once Poker, I think this will be a piece of cake to them ;) But in all seriousness, if anytime in the future other concerns come up, don't hesitate to reach out to us directly or open a friendly post again.
Here are the final results from last month, enjoy your memberships all! forCarlotta see you back next month hopefully ;) You are developing into one of our very consistent leaderboarders lately and we love having you.
Leaderboard April 2020
Eldora
So let it be clear, you are now allowing account's point boosting by other accounts, as long as they're not from the same IP and you're not going to punish this behaviour in the future? Because this is clearly what happend here in this situation.
I think you're also missing a point here - I think the evaluation of the one's contribution to the forum here is really besides the point, and no one was questioning it.
It is more about the point/RIO Elite giveaway system being fair and rewarding the most helpful and quality posters. If you allow situation where the account gains most of its points in the last few days of competition, clearly boosted by two accounts that are not even active at the forums, your message is that you don't really care about any of that.
And I hope that you can see clearly see how potentially harmful to the forum it can become. If you're not going to react to LAZY attempts like this one (and it was lazy as heck, he could as least get himself boosted regularly during whole month by these two accounts), the whole rank-giveaway system can easily turn to just boosting-shitshow.
screamdustry thanks for jumping into the discussion as well and sharing your concerns.
I posted a more lengthy explanation in this comment and I agree that a large part of what I wrote did not cover the mere point system itself but rather the whole situation. I explained the reasons for doing so more deeply in the linked comment but the main idea was that I disliked how the reputation of the member was at risk despite his community engagement.
Just to illustrate this, upon our thorough review there is only one account showing seriously critical tendencies, not multiple accounts. Yet all posters going forward will pick up this false statement. Similarly, Flight_Risks occurence was sometimes described as a magical '1-day-climb' whereas in reality he posted regularly all the way back from becoming a member in March and also posted in the beginning of April already. Then he started to up his frequency around April 20th without changing his posting quality though. Just an observation of when he appeared in the Top 10 doesn't do this justice. He also received the vast majority of his point from 22 different users that are largely well known in the community but now it is said he gains 'most of his likes just by 2 people'.
Despite all of these facts now people take away "Flight_Risk, the last 2 day leaderboard cheater using all his multi-accounts" I hope you see why I think this is problematic.
Apart from this I agree with everything you wrote just that I felt that we are obliged to find a balance to protect a member having genuinely interacted with the community over many weeks of unsure accusations. RIO is not and will not in the future tolerate obvious multi-accounters skewing with the leaderboard. I just disagree with your assessment of how clear this case is because it's very far from that. Trust me, if we are 100% this was done purposely by a member himself to boost his own account, then we're not granting him a free month of Elite. I'm also aware that it's tough to be 100% ever so I think it also requires an investigation of the specific situation to find an adequate decision. If a member posting one-liners that get liked by multiple newly created accounts despite of poor content you won't need much to convince me to ban him from the leaderboard / or the forums altogether. But this is quite different in this unique situation.
I'm of course aware that you didn't investigate this case for hours before making your post and that you relied on the information you had when making your post. But it really isn't as clear as it might sound based on the descriptions above.
We decided to add an additional sixth place leaderboard winner for the month of April to make sure that noone will be set at a disadvantage based on this decision.
I absolutely understand your concerns Eldora and my opinion is that these things should absolutely be resolved under closed doors, so to not damage any reputations. I am not sure if lIlCitanul and forCarlotta tried that way first, but I hope they did.
And yes, I agree that I was making claims with quite a lot of confidence that might look unjustified, but I guess it was mostly coming from the fact, that I've been in this very race we're talking about several times (was top5 around 6times in recent years) and during this time I naturally spend some time observing how it works. Because of that, I dont agree with this statement:
From someone to climb from less than 42points, to 97 in one day, this is enormous anomaly. I think its possible to happen only if someone posts extremaly popular post, in hot/popular thread, that is liked by bunch of RIO staff. Otherwise, it is just not realistic that over 50% of someone's 92points distribution has a place during one day.
Furthermore, adding the facts that:
- a lot of likes from almost unused accounts [Badabing (1point) and ishflop (0point)]
- and there is clear motive to cheat the imperfect system (100$ subscription at line)
I'm not going to change my opinion that the confidence in which I made my claims were unjustified.
This is good decision. The same situation as above happend to me few years back, and I presented my proofs to Mikey Stotz via priv, and he agreed with me and also granted 6th membership. Mentioning it, because its almost certain that it will happen again. Maybe its not a huge problem, given that the community is not that big, so there is room for micromanagment, but the current system is absolutely abusable, and I would feel really bad for forCarlotta if he did become a victim of it.
All that being said, I really feel bad for you being put in this difficult situation Eldora, I understand that as a site, its almost like being a judge, you cant really make binding decisions with a free hand even if the confidence interval that someone is guilty, is really high, without giving the benefit of a doubt.
I think its also another argument why the system should be somehow reworked.
I kinda want to say that I didn't really know forcarlotta was pushed out of "the race". His journals alone inspired me to try and do more here, and on the felt. I think forcarlotta is a valuable member here, and probably anywhere else he's a member.
I also think we should look at how he handled this whole thing.
He actually said "I don't deserve it this month". I think we can all agree he's probably put more effort into one of his journals than most of us do in a month. He made a few comments here and went back to work. I'd imagine he went back to grinding poker instead of RIO points.
I think the mere fact that any of us are "grinding out RIO points" is pathetic. And I don't care how many feathers I ruffle, nobody else seems to.
Some of you came here to intentionally drag me through the mud because you didn't get something for free. Wah.
Grinding for points defeats the whole purpose. It's supposed to be about engagement. And from what I can see, very few (not all) of the "points grinders" have done almost nothing when it comes to commenting on newbie HH threads or answering their questions about basic problems.
I really hope I'm wrong about that. I didn't put a ton of effort into looking into it. I have learning to do, and poker to play.
All I know is there's a ton of questions in the forums left unanswered. I think that's what the points system was for: To reward those who were already helping anyway, and maybe to inspire them and others to do a little more.
Not to grind it out.
My friends came here and did what they always do. I was fully transparent about that (despite the fact that no one ever asked ME about it). They rail my tables online and often watch when I play live. That's just what they do. I've apologized for it and asked them to not do it here again.
The fact that we're still spending time on this blows my mind. I intentionally stopped posting after all this came out. I was worried about posting on forcarlotta's journals. And I refrained from replying to one of lIlCitanul's comments to a new user because I was worried about how it might be taken.
How would that look? What would they say?
This is ridiculous. I've apologized so many times now. I'm done with it.
I'm sure this comment will go over like a lead balloon and I've considered not posting it. However, I think it's messed up that there are tons of questions unanswered while this post has received almost 20 comments.
Agree to everything you wrote and I was concerned this would affect you the way it did (pushing you out of wanting to actively partake in the community).
This is the slowest way to get points. The system does not reward that kind of activity.
I've personally never "grinded points" from day 1 in a month but have found myself making extra posts towards the end of the month to get over the line so to speak. Don't think anyone would question that most of the guys making the list are so into poker that making the posts doesn't even remotely feel like grinding or work to them.
Imagine someone playing NL5 or NL10. Maybe that person also lives in non-western country, so 100$ is actually a lot of money to him. Either 20 or 10 BI at his stakes. The only way he can reasonably get it, is by consitently creating quality content via his posts, that are helpful and valuable for other members. So he goes for it, and is putting deliberate and consistent effort through the whole month.
This is that pathetic to you?
Eldora
Sry but your considerations about Flight_risk activity, mainly the quality of the posts aren't true. You can verify in my sheet, every row has its own link. I don't really understand how you can still defend him. But we can just quit and forgot about that.
I was the 6th but I've declined my free membership, as I said in the other thread, plz transfer it to the 7th.
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