Ripped Off By BetOnline: READ
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Ripped Off By BetOnline: READ
I have a serious issue and I have no choice but to post this here. I was blatantly ripped off by BOL tonight and after a nearly 2 hour live chat, I feel that I really need to escalate this as far as I've decided to in the chat.
I had a session that last over 4 hours earlier. I was at the 10nlz BBJ tables the entire time. I have a screenshot showing this, as well as what time the session started. At 10:17pm EST, as "Dwayne" confirms multiple times in the live chat log, someone hit a $14,000 BBJ at the $5/$10 fast fold tables. I received no portion of this prize and it's the first time I haven't received what I'm supposed to from a BBJ hit...probably because this would have been a decent amount. I don't know what else to deduce from this experience.
Here is the chat log. Please understand my attitude that gradually builds during this conversation because quite honestly, this was the most absurd and ridiculous conversation I've ever been involved in and it's just crystal clear that they're basically telling me to go screw myself. Crystal.
Info: Thank you for choosing to chat with us. An agent will be with you shortly.
Info: You are now chatting with Stella Anderson.
Stella Anderson: Thank you for contacting Player Services, my name is Stella. How are you today?
You: Hi. About 2-2.5 hours ago I was at the 10nlz BBJ tables and noticed that someone hit a $14,000+ jackpot on the 5/10 zoom tables.
You: yet, I received no portion of the jackpot as I was supposed to.
Stella Anderson: I'm sorry for the inconvenience, let me verify your account in order to assist you with your poker inquiry.
Stella Anderson: To better assist you, can I have your account number and answer to your security question?
You: account number is B918632
You: and what was the question?
Stella Anderson: May I please have your nickname?
You: BiggSlikk9
You: believe me: It's me lol
Stella Anderson: May I please have your date of birth?
You: march 1st 1982
Stella Anderson: Thanks for providing that information, Joseph.
Stella Anderson: For immediate assistance in regards to your request, I will be transferring the chat over to one of our Poker Specialists. They will be happy to assist you on this matter quickly and accurately. For future contact feel free to initiate a Live chat selecting the Poker option or by email to Poker@BetOnline.ag
You: you're welcome
You: i will - thanks for transferring me
Info: Please wait while your chat is transferred to the appropriate group.
Info: You are now chatting with Mia.
Mia: Hi Joseph, you are chatting with Mia. How are you today?
You: Good...thanks
Mia: I can see that you were chatting with Stella regarding the bad beat jackpot
You: yes
Mia: Allow me a moment to review
You: ok - as said...about 2.5 hours ago (or so) someone on the 5/10 bbj tables hit for $14,000+
You: I'm at the 10nlz tables right then and received no portion
You: others did
Mia: Thank you for the information.
Allow me a moment to review
You: according to the terms, I'm supposed to get 12.5%
You: for being at a bbj table when it happened.
Mia: Thank you
Mia: Allow me a moment further
You: no problem
Mia: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
You: i'm still here
Mia: I'll be right with you.
You: ok
Mia: Thanks for waiting Joseph. I'm still reviewing and will advise you shortly
You: I'm still waiting patiently
Mia: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
Mia: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
You: you do keep saying that
Mia: Apologies for the long wait Joseph
Mia: i have reviewed and can see that you won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: yes - that was the jackpot for roughly $290 that someone won
You: then, shortly after that, someone at the $5/$10 bbj fast fold tables won $14,000
You: as I stated twice
You: on that one - I received nothing.
You: Hello?
You: Are you there?
Mia: I'll be right with you.
You: ....Mia?
Mia: Thanks for waiting Joseph. I have reviewed further and can see that the $1.43 you won was from the $5/$10 fast fold tables matching the one you are referring to with winner of $13 688.70
You: that's inaccurate
You: there were 2 bbj's hit within a short period of time
You: one for a smaller amount (like $290) and then the $14,000 one
You: I only received a portion of the $290'ish one
You: end of story - that's what happened.
You: and you guys obviously have a record of that so I'm not sure what the major confusion is here.
You: and, quite frankly, I've been a customer for years now and this seems like a lot to go through when I was supposed to automatically receive my portion of the funds.
You: this is a *very long chat.
You: Hello?
You: Are you still there, Mia?
Mia: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
You: I have to ask now: What are these long pauses?
You: I'm trying to be patient here but thus far - Nothing has been done.
You: ????
Mia: Sorry for the wait.
According to what I can see Joseph, you received winnings on the fast fold jackpot. Your winnings were $1.43
You only received one jackpot winning
You: yup
You: where's the other one?
You: for the $14,000 one that hit
You: I've been extremely clear here
You: there's no reason you should still be confused.
You: The 14,000 jackpot hit
You: fact. I received no money ...fact.
You: where is it?
You: Hello?
Mia: The winnings are from the above jackpot you are querying.
As for the $290 jackpot there are no winnings awarded to you that I can see.
You: you have it backwards
You: and you already stated that I won the $1.43 for the $290 jackpot
You: that's correct
You: THEN the $14,000 jackpot hit
You: I received nothing
You: that's the bottom line
You: What is the major confusion you're having here?
Mia: Remember the 12.5% is divided among every player that was playing on other tables at that time.
You: look, please stop now
You: I know that
You: and there were 2 jackpots - I only received a % for one of them
You: there is nobody who could be confused as to what I keep saying
You: so, please - stop the nonsense.
You: i was clearly at the 10nlz table, in a hand, when the $14,000 jackpot hit on the $5/10$ fast fold table
Info: Please wait while your chat is transferred to Dwayne.
Info: You are now chatting with Dwayne.
You: ???
You: she just leaves without saying anything and transfers me? Hopefully you guys can see her chat - that's totally unprofessional.
You: I'm on the line with you guys for nearly an hour
You: this is insane
Dwayne: Good day, you’re chatting to Dwayne at Player Services. I will be happy to assist you.
I'd be delighted to have a look into this for you.
You: what happened to Mia?
You: she just disconnected me and transferred me to you. I mean, there's a record of this chat, guys. Anyone can see what's going on here.
Dwayne: I have reviewed this for you.
As you were advised.
I have reviewed and can see that you won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: I have to go post this chat log and the hand histories on 2+2
You: yup
Dwayne: I wish there was more we could do for you in this regard.
You: then the $14,000 jackpot hit on the $5/$10 tables
You: I was in a hand at the 10nlz tables at the time
You: and received no portion of the %
You: why not?
Dwayne: We did our reviews and that's not the case.
You: guys - it is
You: this has to be escalated to 2p2
You: because you just refuse to pay me what I won?
You: You know the $14,000 jackpot hit
You: you can clearly see I was at the 10nlz tables at that time.
You: right?
You: you're not going to leave this at: we're just not paying you.
You: It will become a public matter.
Dwayne: We do value our player's time and money. regrettably, you won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: that was on the $290'ish jackpot
You: as your other agent confirmed
You: You very well know that a $14,000 jackpot hit on the $5/$10 tables after that
You: I mean, there's no denying that it occurred.
You: Just answer: Why did I receive no portion of that?
You: it's a very simple matter
You: but there's not one soul who would read this and not see how obvious it is that you're just blowing me off.
You: and I can assure you: Everyone will see it.
You: you're causing a problem here.
Dwayne: Joseph. There is nothing we can do about this. We can only provide you with the information we can see upon review.
You: so you are denying that someone hit the $14,000 jackpot
You: on 3/4/2020?
You: because you can't - there's a record of it happening
You: and I was absolutely at the 10nlz tables when it occurred.
You: So, 12.5% of that spread among all players doesn't = $0 to me.
Dwayne: Do you have screenshots? or any records?
You: Let's answer my question first: Do you deny that someone hit a $14,000 jackpot on the $5/$10 bbj fast fold tables earlier?
You: Yes or no?
You: because it happened and everyone is aware of it;
Dwayne: No, we don't deny anything. You haven't won. Forward us your proof to casino@betonline.ag
You: I told you: I'm taking this public if you play this game.
You: So "not denying" means you know the $14,000 jackpot hit
You: and what time did it occur?
You: you won't tell me?
You: I will make a huge issue out of this on 2p2
You: you're just saying "screw you"
You: You are very, very well aware of the $14,000 you have to pay someone now
You: let's not be silly.
You: betonline mike is a contact on 2p2 and I'm heavily involved in that community. If I post this, people are going to see that you ripped me off.
Dwayne: I wish there was more I could do for you.
You: period
You: there is
You: you can answer the question
You: what time did that person hit the $14,000 jackpot for on the $5/$10 bbj tables?
You: you obviously have a record of it so let's stop being childish in a conversation 10,000+ people are going to see
Dwayne: You haven't won anything, Joseph. I am sorry that the game wasn't profitable for you.
If you have records of you won the jackpot please provide us with proof.
You: ???
You: who said the game wasn't profitable for me? I'm winning...
You: now please, if you refuse to answer the question it's quite obvious to everyone what you're doing here.
You: was a $14,000 jackpot hit tonight...yes or not?
You: you can definitely answer that question and there's only ONE reason you won't
You: but yet everyone saw it happen.
You: so we just take what time it occurred and it should show in my hand history that I was in a hand at the 10nlz table at that time.
You: it's very, very simple.
You: saying "i'm sorry the game wasn't profitable for you" is ridiculous. Anyone can see through that lol
You: I'll post this on the news, on 2p2, on runitonce.com, everywhere
You: I'll send it to my local authorities, everything
You: you're causing a huge problem here over what is not a large amount of money to you.
You: with a customer who's been playing in that zoom pool on and off for nearly 7 years.
You: this isn't just going to go away - I will make sure tons of people see what you did here.
Dwayne: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
You: Refusing to confirm that the $14,000 jackpot hit is proof that you're playing a game with me.
You: there's only ONE reason you won't confirm that it happened.
You: Obviously, on 2p2 others will be aware that it occurred
You: they're clearly going to be able to see why you are conducting this conversation this way.
You: It's blatantly obvious.
Dwayne: I am sorry this is the way you feel at the site. We do not want you to feel like that at the site.
I informed you to provide us with proof stated that you have won the jackpot either than that, there is nothing we can do about it.
I am sorry about that.
May I assist you with anything else apart from this, Joseph?
You: No problem Dwayne - the entire conversation is being posted on 2p2 and forward to every major news outlet in the NYC area, where I reside.
You: I work for the New York Times.
You: this is a public matter. Perhaps this should be forward to the Attorney General's office, as well.
You: I'm being 100% honest here: This will be very, very public.
You: you refuse to answer yes or no as to whether or not a $14,000 jackpot hit earlier.
You: why?
You: there's no reason you would do that except that you don't WANT me to be able to prove that I was at the 10nlz tables at that time.
Dwayne: I am sorry this is how you feel.
You: it's not a feeling
You: you're deliberately not answering the question
You: again: This entire conversation is public
You: people are viewing it right now
You: everyone will be aware that you just cheated a customer. It's not a "feeling" - it's a fact.
You: What time did the $14,000 jackpot hit?
Dwayne: No worries, Joseph.
You: no reason to avoid answering that
You: no worries makes it look worse
You: you're saying that you don't care how obvious it is or who knows it. That proves intent.
You: You're clearly just not paying me.
You: So - what time did the $14,000 jackpot hit?
You: there aren't any feelings involved in that question.
Dwayne: Joseph, we did our full review on the account and provided you with all the information that you need. You have won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: ???
You: I didn't ask you about that
You: I asked what time the $14,000 jackpot hit on 3/4/2020
You: so?
Dwayne: Allow me a moment to check for you.
You: thank you
Dwayne: You're welcome.
You: then I'll simply screenshot my hand history from that time (which you have anyway) and there's the proof!
You: very simple
Dwayne: 10:17 Eastern Standard time.
Dwayne: You receive the $1.43 at that time.
You: no - that was the $290's jackpot
You: we're talking about the $14,000 one
You: and you know that because we've been over it over five times now.
You: it clearly occurred - so what time did it occur?
You: i was at the tables from 8:26pm EST on 3/4/2020
You: until 12:27am EST on 3/5/2020
You: the $14,000 bbj from the $5/$10 tables occurred during that time.
You: end of story
You: there was also someone on my tables who hit a bbj for around $290. That's what I received the $1.34 for
You: but then shortly after that, someone hit $14,000 at the $5/$10 tables and I received $0 even though other players at my table did receive money.
You: Period.
You: I was at the tables for 4 hours and 1 minute straight.
Dwayne: Joseph, there is nothing we can do for you in this regard. We can go back and forth we can only provide you with we can review on our side.
You: look - you know where this is going
You: You gave a time the jackpot hit - which one was that
You: ?
You: the $14,000 one or the $290 one?
You: You said 10:17 PM EST
You: so when did the 2nd jackpot occur? The $14,000 one?
You: think the guy who won it knows whether it happened or not?
You: He's a 2p2 regular, as well
Dwayne: I provided you with all the information you now. I wish there was more I could do for you in this regard. At this moment there is nothing I can do for you.
You: For the third time: There is more you can do
You: being ignorant and evasive isn't helping.
You: What time did the two jackpots hit ? You cited 10:17pm EST for one of them, which I was paid on.
You: When did the $14,000 one hit? It was after that
You: there's only ONE reason you refuse to answer or acknowledge that. Anyone who reads this can see that.
Dwayne: I provided you with all the information you need. There is nothing else I can do or provide you with.
You: sure there is
You: what time did the $14,000 bbj hit on the $5/$10 tables tonight?
You: ???
You: again: Anyone reading this sees that you absolutely refuse to answer that.
You: people are stupid.
You: aren't*
You: you doing this blatantly
You: So - what time did the $14,000 bbj hit on the $5/10 tables?
Info: The chat transcript will be sent to: dedicatedtopoker2017@gmail.com at the end of your chat.
Dwayne: I provided you with the time. 10.17 Eastern Standard time.
You: ok - so in my hand history you clearly see that I was in a hand on the 10nlz bbj table at that time.
You: It's certainly right here in my history
You: so there's the proof
You: I have this transcript, my hand history, and the time you just confirmed that the $14,000 bbj hit
You: that's called proof
Dwayne: That why I said you are more than welcome to email us the proof.
You: now you may just decide to screw me and not pay me - But I do have proof to show anyone and everyone.
You: but you have my hand history right there
You: you already have the proof
Dwayne: We did our reviews and you didn't win.
You: you don't assign times to the hand histories
You: Oh, yes I did
You: I was in a hand during that time
You: you know it - I know it - everyone else knows it now.
You: You're just deciding not to pay me.
You: I just screenshotted my hand history times
You: it shows I was at that table for over 4 hours
You: and that 10:17pm EST was well within that time
Dwayne: We cannot keep any funds away from our players.
You: So then don't
You: now, back to the task at hand: Where do I send the screenshot
You: because it's right here and you already said 10:17pm EST three times.
Dwayne: casino@betonline.ag
You: my hand history shows I was at the 10nlz table at that time and you very, very well know this
You: because you have the hand history yourself
Dwayne: Please allow feedback from the relevant team after you the screenshots.
Dwayne: Have I answered all of your questions today?
Dwayne: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
You: It was just sent to you
You: and posted on 2p2
Dwayne: No worries. You will receive feedback within 24 hours via email.
You: along with you repeatedly saying that 10:17pm EST was when the $14,000 jackpot hit
You: And please do understand :I do work for the Times
You: ALL of this is going public
You: I have the proof, I have this chat, I have the times
You: you have it all as well
You: it's 100% obvious to everyone who is witnessing this as we speak what you're doing here.
You: please, please believe that
Dwayne: We will speak within the next 24 hours via email.
I wish you a lovely day further!
Take care!
You: Again: Messages like that make this even more obvious. People can read.
You: Before we speak, I'll have already contacted my states Attorney General's office
You: and my editor in Chief at the Times
You: as well as posted all of this all over 2p2, cardschat.com, runitonce.com, etc
You: everywhere
You: "I'm sorry the game wasn't profitable for you" - That was the real kicker. Everyone thinks that's a joke.
You: even though your games have been profitable. We're talking about a BBJ that I clearly won a portion of that you just want to see how many people you can screw out of it.
You: I'm not the one to do it to. I'll post this everywher
You: You just did it to someone who won't let it go so ...have a nice day yourself but what you're doing here to a 7 year customer is disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Dwayne: We do appreciate your time and money here.
You: no you don't
Dwayne: I wish you a lovely day further too.
You: you're desperately trying to screw me out of money
Dwayne: Bye for now!
You: that's not appreciation, Dwayne
You: it's criminal
You: and I have the proof so
You: either you'll do the right thing or it will be shown to authorities
You: and in the paper
You: and all over the web
You: ball's in you court.
Dwayne: You have provided us with proof via email, please allow 24 hours for feedback.
You: your
You: so you confirm receipt of the proof?
You: you just said "you have provided us with proof via email"
You: so...it's been proven after what...an hour and a half of runaround?
You: documented. People witnessing it live on stream.
You: I mean, you lost this one Dwayne.
You: be a man and pay the money.
You: it's either that or just countless people in the poker world and the legal world will see exactly what you did. Your call.
Dwayne: We will provide you with feedback within the next 24 hours after the documentation you provided us with.
You: right - the proof you've already confirmed you've received. Right in this very chat.
You: so after all of this runaround, and now you have the proof (that you already had yourself of course), you need 24 hours to decide whether or not you're going to break the law and screw a customer out of winnings?
You: That's truly unbelievable.
You: why would anyone else want to deposit here when they see this? It will certainly effect your business.
Dwayne: I am sorry that's how you feel.
You: again: You seem to have some kind of problem. It's not a "feeling"
You: these are all facts and numbers.
You: No emotion or feelings involved.
You: it looks VERY silly every time you say that.
Dwayne: It can't be facts if you didn't won.
You: and only makes it more obvious that you're stealing form me.
You: But I did
You: and you confirmed receiving proof of that.
You: You mean "if we don't pay you what you won"
Dwayne: I wish you a nice day further! We going back in forth. I provided you with all the information that you need.
You: that's called stealing
You: We're not going back and forth - You are.
You: on a public dialogue
You: again: This one's cut and dry ...blatantly obvious
You: It took over an hour for you to acknowledge that the $14,000 bbj even hit.
You: you think anyone witnessing this doesn't know why?
You: Then you ask for proof and you get it. "We'll get back to you within 24 hours"
You: ....there isn't one person alive reading this who doesn't see that you're trying to steal from me.
You: the next call goes to your local government authorities
You: and interpol
You: you're not going to be stealing from me and getting away with it.
You: you shouldn't be stealing from anyone.
Dwayne: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
You: you have my last session right there in front of you
You: it was 4 hours and 2 minutes long, exactly
You: It started at 6:26pm YOUR time on 3/5/2020
You: 10:17pm clearly fits right in there
Dwayne: There is nothing I can do about it!
You: you can obviously see this
You: why not?
You: it's just been proven
You: what you mean is "I'm not going to pay you"
You: that's different
You: and it's documented
You: tell me what time my last session started and how long it lasted
Dwayne: I am afraid I will have to leave this chat. You will have to wait for feedback within the next 24 hours via email.
You: you have that information
You: you don't have to do anything
You: you *want to leave the chat because you've been caught in a lie repeatedly.
You: what time did my last session start and what time did it end
You: I mean, I just posted it and you have the info right on my account in front of you
You: so?
Dwayne: I don't understand what you asking.
You: why not?
You: did something happen to you?
You: reread it
You: what time did my last session start and what time did it end
You: ??
You: you have the information right on my account, just as I do.
You: why won't you answer?
You: EVERYONE knows why
You: so, again: What time did my last session start and what time did it end.
You: ??
Dwayne: You haven't won anything apart from $1.43 you would please need to wait for feedback from the relevant team regarding your account because you said you have sent us proof.
I wish you a lovely day further! Bye for now.*
Now, we know the $14,000 jackpot hit at 10:17pm server time. I was at the tables starting at 6:26pm server time, March 5, 2020. I'll attach an image showing that my session was during these exact times. The only other thing I didn't do was actually screenshot the BBJ screen when it popped while I was in my session as I honestly never, ever thought that BOL would just screw me out of money like this. I wonder what happened to the $14,000 jackpot and how it was supposed to be spread around. It's hard to imagine that I'm the only one who was cheated out of this tonight.
edit: I have the screenshot showing my last session, it's times, and it's duration. What's the best way to post it to this forum? Thanks. I can't believe that I have to go through all of this and it's really out of character for me to make such an issue but this is truly unbelievable. They don't even care that this is so obvious.
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Abby: Hello, you are chatting with Abby from Player Services. How are you doing ?
You: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/284/betonline-ag-online-poker/betonline-ag-poker-general-discussions-thread-1745215/index31.html
You: I was just on the line with you guys here (Dwayne) for nearly 2 hours
You: and I wanted you folks to see that, as promised, this has been made public. The entire incident.
You: All correspondence, as well as screenshots, are being forwarded to the New York State Attorney General's Office, as well as my editor in chief at the New York Times
You: my username is BiggSlikk9 and what happened here tonight, after being a customer with you for over 7 years, is a disgrace and I'm not letting it go.
You: if you're dead set on ripping me off, you'll have to do it in the public light.
You: a $14,000 bbj hit at 10:17 your server time
You: i was at the 10nlz tables and received no % as I was supposed to. Your agent Dwayne refused to help.
You: after 2 hours, he disconnected and I was forced to escalate this to a public matter as I repeatedly told him I would have to.
Abby: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
You: and again: I do work for the Times and this will be something that is broadcast to a huge audience
You: you can't just steal from people
Abby: My sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused. I do see on the previous chats that you were told that you won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: yes
You: that was from a $290 jackpot
You: then, shortly after, someone hit a $14,000 jackpot on the $5/$10 tables
You: at 10:17 server time
You: I was clearly at the tables and actually in a hand at that time and received no money.
You: that's you stealing
You: https://www.runitonce.com/chatter/ripped-off-by-betonline-read/
You: so, it's on 2p2 and runitonce now
You: and it will be in the New York Times within 48 hours, and I'm calling the NYS attorney general at 8am when they open
You: you may play this game, but you're not getting away with it.
Abby: I am so sorry Joseph, we did our reviews and that is not the case. I wish there was more we could do for you in this regard.
You: what's not the case?
You: I've proven it
You: everyone saw the $14,000 jackpot hit
You: and my screenshots that I emailed to you show very well that I was at the 10nlz, in a hand, when it happened.
You: period
You: you can keep insisting "sorry that didn't happen" but it did.
You: it's been proven and now thousands upon thousands of people are reading it while we chat.
Abby: We do value our player's time and money. regrettably, you won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: the attorney general will certainly be able to see what you did here.
You: right, I won $1.43 from the $290 jackpot
You: what about the $14,000 one that hit after that - why did I receive no money then?
You: as I was supposed to?
You: look, you're either stealing from me which is unbelievable or you're totally incompetent.
Abby: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
You: if the $14,000 prize that hit on a $5/$10 table doesn't reward players at 10nlz then so be it. But not ONCE in over 2 hours has anyone said that. They just say "have a nice day, nothing we can do!"
You: so it's either theft or just sheer stupidity and incompetence.
You: with a huge language barrier in the way.
Abby: I'll be right with you.
Abby: Thank you for your patience. We did our full review on the account and provided you with all the information that you need. You have won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
Please note the 12.5% is divided among all players.
You: look, there's clearly something wrong with you folks
You: on 2p2 someone said that 10nlz tables aren't entitled to portions of a prize from tables as high as 100nlz. Is that true?
You: or 1000nlz
You: there was a $14,000 jackpot hit at the $5/$10 tables tonight. That's a fact. I was at a 10nlz table and in a hand when it occurred. Right in the terms it says "12.5% players at other BBJ tables".
You: right?
You: I was at another bbj table
Abby: Kindly be advised that the bbj only hit after you had been rewarded with your winnings.
You: ????
You: how can I win something from the BBJ before it gets hit?
You: what is WRONG with you people?
You: like, you literally can't do your jobs.
You: why would someone at a 10nlz table not get a portion of the bbj prize that was hit at a $5/$10 table?
You: very, very simple question. I mean, you work for the company and this is the support line
You: come on now
You: I'm trying to work with you here but you're being completely ignorant.
Abby: There is no records on our end showing that you were at a table at that moment. The winnings you received were from the $5/$10 fast fold tables.
You: ?????
You: i was at a 10nlz table
You: $5/10 is a 1000nlz table
You: you don't even know how the stakes work?
You: someone on a 1000nlz table hit the bbj and the top prize was $14,000
You: doesn't 12.5% of that get trickled down to everyone, even those on a 10nlz table?
Abby: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
Info: The chat transcript will be sent to: dedicatedtopoker2017@gmail.com at the end of your chat.
Abby: Thank you for your patience. Kindly be advised that 12,5 % is divided among every person playing bbj at that moment, every table.
You: you know you folks have said that at least 10 times now
You: why?
You: I know this.
You: that's not at all the issue here. I understand how the 12.5% works.
You: But when the $14,000 jackpot hit on a $5/$10 table (that's a $1,000 BI game) I got nothing.
You: if you guys literally can't even explain how the BBJ works, nor answer any questions, what are you here for?
You: do you NOT KNOW how the site operates?
You: I'm asking very straightforward questions here. And being extremely patient.
Abby: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
You: I'm like spoonfeeding you the answer and you can't even confirm that. This is incredible.
Abby: I'll be right with you.
Abby: I'll be right with you.
Abby: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
Abby: My sincere apologies for the delay. May you please send us the screenshot showing that you have won because on our end there is no records of that information. We will get back to you after the review has been done.
You: you already have it
You: I sent it hours ago
You: I don't even know what to say
You: are there 2 bbj's?
You: do you even know what I'm referring to?
You: like, this is the worst customer support I have ever received in any industry, ever
You: you folks literally don't know your products at all.
You: $5/$10 table hit the $14,000 jackpot
You: am I not entitled to a portion of that while sitting at a .05/.10 table?
You: yes or no?
Abby: The screenshots will be reviewed and you will be contacted as soon as the review has been done.
You: there should be NOTHING confusing about this.
You: Forget the screenshot and just follow along
You: answer my question, please
You: that's what will resolve this, not what you're saying.
You: repeatedly
You: if someone wins a $14,000+ jackpot on a $5/$10 table, does someone at a .05/.10 table not receive a portion of that?
You: yes or no?
Abby: Every player sitting at a table gets the winnings.
You: ok, I was at a table when someone at the $5/$10 tables hit the BBJ
You: i was at a fast fold table
You: the bbj was hit at a regular table
You: are they two separate bbj's? One for regular tables one for fast fold?
You: I'm really, really trying to work with you here to understand this but it seems like you know less about this than even I do...which is admittedly not much since your terms and conditions don't detail ANY of this.
You: they just state what you did "all players at any bbj table"
Abby: I'm sorry for the delay. I'll be right with you.
Abby: Yes those are different tables, however, the money is divided to everyone sitting at a table at that moment. You won $1.43 from the jackpot winnings.
You: look...this is outrageous.
You: I've said what I'm about to say at least half a dozen to a dozen times:
You: the $1.43 I received was from a bbj hit by someone at MY TABLE. A 10nlz table. Then, about 20-30 minutes later, someone hit $14,000 at a $5/$10 regular table. On THAT ONE, I received $0.
You: is that how it's supposed to work?
You: or SHOULD I have received something from the larger jackpot that hit AFTER I already received the $1.43 from a previous, much smaller jackpot?
You: I mean, HOW can you not know?
You: you're customer support
Abby: I'll be right with you.
Abby: Thank you for waiting. I'll be with you in just a moment.
Info: The chat transcript will be sent to: dedicatedtopoker2017@gmail.com at the end of your chat.
You: hello?
You: there's no reason it takes 10 minutes answer a simple question
You: none
You: I'm really, really trying to work with you here...even offering explanations and just asking you to confirm yes or no and you won't.
You: do you not know what the terms of the BBJ are? You don't seem to.
You: and that's ok - if you don't know, you don't know. But please stop wasting my time like this.
You: Hello?
You: no reason for long pauses and no response, guys.
You: It's rude after 3 and a half hours of this.
You: to put it mildly
You: you're literally refusing to cooperate with me on this, even though you know this entire incident is fully transparent to tons of people.
You: that's very, very bizarre.
You: every word we've discussed here and in my previous conversation has been posted on multiple sites.
Abby: My sincere apologies for the delay, Joseph I do understand that you are concerned about the winnings of this bbj and I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience caused. The best thing I can do for you at this point is to escalate this matter for further review, kindly allow up to 24 hours for the process to be done.
You: no, the best thing you can do is answer my question
You: and you still refuse to do that for some bizarre, strange reason
You: that nobody in their right mind could comprehend.
You: someone who's been on this site for YEARS is telling me that I'm not entitled to 12.5% of the $14,000 because I wasn't at a table that's 100nl or higher.
You: you're directly contradicting them and saying "no, you should have received it but we have no record of you sitting at a table at that time"
You: it seems like you just don't know what you're talking about.
You: is that possible?
Abby: My sincere apologize for the inconvenience Joseph. I never said you should have received it, I will have to escalate this matter for further review.
Abby: *apologies.
You: right...so you don't know anything that you're saying here
You: and you won't just admit it
You: you need a manager, who's not around right now, to fix this.
You: why not just say it then?
You: why waste my time with nonsense?
You: There's something obviously wrong with you guys.
You: I've never had a dialogue this strange and confusing with anyone, anywhere, in any venue.
You: it's not even like you're people.
Abby: As aforementioned, on our end the only winnings showing are for the $1.43, which is why I need to escalate this matter to the relevant team for further review.
You: you don't know if what I'm suggesting is true
You: right - you don't know. That's the bottom line.
You: Escalate it. This chat dialogue is also being posted publicly. You folks shouldn't even be answering live chat queries when you literally don't know the terms of your own contests.
You: What a disgrace.
You: over and over I keep telling you the $1.43 is from a small bbj hit by someone AT MY TABLE ...10nlz. Then, someone at a $5/$10 table hit a max prize of $14,000 and I received nothing.
You: You don't know whether I should have or not so instead of admitting that, you guys gave me erroneous information for 4 hours now.
Abby: I am really sorry Joseph, I will make it a point that this matter gets reviewed and you will get feedback within 24 hours.
You: That' absolutely absurd and there's definitely something wrong with you personally. To not admit you just don't know?
You: You need help.
You: to do that to someone.
You: rather than just admit you don't know.
You: Have a nice morning. You've obviously ruined mine.
You: And make sure you do escalate it to someone who has a clue.
You: Look, I'm sorry but it's 4 hours of this.
You: I can't sit here for 5 minutes waiting for you to type 8 words.
You: I've said what I've had to say.
You: I have to go now. You're just too slow.
You: And we've already confirmed that you don't know anything anyway.
You: can't type, don't know anything about the site or it's terms, etc.
You: Great customers support rep.
Abby: I have already told you that winnings from that bbj are supposed to be divided among all players sitting at any tables. Your issue will be escalated for further review since you stated that you were at a table and you never got credited with the winnings.
You: and the fact that you just repeated that again means you literally do have something wrong with you mentally.
You: period
You: 3rd time: Escalate it and enjoy your morning.
Abby: Thank you for chatting with me today. Good bye.
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Here are the terms and conditions that I clearly did match and it seems like many others did tonight too and just didn't get paid. Who knows how often this goes on or to how many people who just assume they didn't win anything when according to the written terms - they did. As I said on 2p2: Make a contractual agreement with someone, or a written set of terms that need to be met to win a prize, and then retroactively change the conditions after someone's met them citing "oh, yeah we forgot that detail but it's ok and you win nothing because you know what we meant!" and see what they say.
So you are ripped off for 10$ here ?
Yeah, math's obviously not your friend imbecile. Did you even read any of it? Nope.
woah that language needed mate ?
I was just asking as idk how many players where around that day as such it's impossible for me to know or to calculate. Hence my question.
Please don't "mate" me. I live in the States. You weren't "just asking" - you were attempting to be a smart ass and managed to screw even that up.
No problem, I'll honor that request
Yeah maybe a bit smart of me I was just throwing out a number really based on 100 players in the pool idk what kind of traffic those tables get
Let me start over
How much did they rip you off for ?
Please. You have no interest in helping me or anyone else here so ...go find something to do with your life.
So, just to update: Not one word back from BOL about this and 2p2 deleted all posts about it and banned the account I had posted with. Now, you can draw your own conclusions but quite frankly - these sites are a huge scam at this point. This site is FILLED with bots, just like others, but they never disappear no matter how many people report them or compile data showing that a bot ring exists. The site just totally lets it go and plays helpless. Now, I've never complained about these bots because I've seen that nobody who does ever gets anything accomplished. But now a BBJ goes down this way? Guess what happened as soon as I sat down today: Within 3 hands, I ran KK into AA, and then some fish with 65bb's in the BB hit A9s nut flush over my KQs 2nd nuts. Runner runner. The odds of those two events occurring within 3 hands after that back and forth last night? There's probably a better chance of the sun falling out of the sky tomorrow morning. Not literally, but I'm sure you see my point.
I got better and definitely good enough to play and enjoy live now and then but I really can't continue to pour time and energy into these online sites. Especially not with the clear link between them and 2p2's own affiliates/mods who direct traffic there. As said, ANYONE who brings these issues up, or even posts about being ripped off, is quickly banned with the note "undesirable" and their posts are deleted. Why would 2p2 remove a post about a BBJ issue, or someone else legitimately being told there was software on their computer that is a security risk AFTER they go to withdraw $10,000? Or that Ignition casino hasn't had a gaming license in 2+ years and isn't even working toward getting one. What would 2p2's motivation be for removing discussions about that? You can decide for yourself but this is, absolutely, the most corrupt and shady thing on earth lol. Online poker in 2020 ...what's the sense if you're an American? It's not even worth the aggravation.
The other thing on BOL (Chico): I have closely monitored and played in the 10nlz and 25nlz pool on here for years. You know there are guys hitting the BBJ twice a week? We're talking huge amounts of money being put away for the stakes they're playing simply by sitting there and...losing with quads? That's what it requires: Someone has to have four of a kind and lose. There are guys who come in, don't even play high volume, and hit this thing within 300 hands of sitting down - regularly. Me? It's never happened nor has anyone I've ever spoke to offline who's played here ever won it. Last night? I strongly suspect that nobody actually won a $14,000 jackpot. I think the site just makes it look that way. Who are these people winning these jackpots who never speak at the tables no matter what? This along with the botting issue that true pros have been screaming about for years on here and ...how can someone trust that? Similarly, I think a lot of these posts on 2p2 in the cashout threads are just shill posts by the site admins themselves. "Requested: 2/17 received: 2/19 amount: $4,320" is what you'll see and "$2,400 in the bank within 24 hours. Great work, guys!". Maybe there's nothing to this either but when you put all of this together I think it certainly qualifies as a little bit of smoke. At the very least.
For anyone reading this thread who plays BOL i won the 10 NL jackpot months ago for 100 bucks and in spite of forseeable downswings i contknue to win there and have cashed out multiple times. Im not saying that OP doesnt have a genuine gripe. Im just attesting that from my perspective the site is safe.
cliff notes?
What is your goal here? To get your couple bucks back or to expose them for potentially just resetting the jackpot without paying it out to anyone?
Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com
SB: $1.98
BB: $3.18
UTG: $0.92
Hero (MP): $1.65
CO: $2.00
BTN: $2.43
SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02
Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Ks Kc
fold, Hero raises to $0.05, CO raises to $0.17, fold, fold, BB calls $0.15, Hero raises to $0.72, CO calls $0.55, fold
Flop : ($1.62, 2 players) Kd Ad Js
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn : ($1.62, 2 players) 2d
Hero bets $0.93 and is all-in, CO calls $0.93
River : ($3.48, 2 players) Tc
Hero shows Ks Kc (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 91%)
CO shows Qh Qc (Straight, Ace High)
(Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 9%)
CO wins $3.31
Rake paid $0.13
Had literally $3 and change left on WPN so I figured I'd take a few 2nl hands. 90%+ beat immediately. All day, all night on every network as soon as it's obvious you're going to put up a huge winrate in the pool you're in. You're literally not allowed to win past a certain rate.
Pitsquared Well, talking about the site being "legit" as far as paying out is a totally different story. I've never had a problem cashing out, either but that's not at all what my gripe is here. The other thing is that you talk about "foreseeable downswings". How often do you think these "downswings" should occur? Look at European player's graphs. You just never see these regular, consistent downswings that we as players on American facing sites see about once every 1k - 2k hands. Ever. I can't get through 500 hands without a 90% beat and after seeing others have the same complaint, and experiencing the same thing for years, it's pretty obvious that something's not entirely on the up and up. If I put away 5+ stacks, there's a guaranteed, inevitable run of 85%+ equity beats that follow. EVERY TIME. Throw in the rampant bots that are clearly supported by the site and there's just absolutely no way you can play on these sites for anything other than low stakes recreational play unless you're more than fine with losing tons of money and never questioning how it occurred. Which, oddly, quite a few seem to be totally fine with. There's just no question, however, that the more of a skill edge you have on your opponents in whatever pool you're playing in, the more frequent the beats become. They simply won't let you run all over people and go up 10-15 stacks. If someone insists that this is just "variance", they're admitting that even over a long stretch of live poker, players might consistently get the money in as an 85%+ favorite and lose, lose, lose. Well, then the game is about mostly luck unless you're willing to sit there for months straight like that, hoping to "outrun" the variance. Who in their right mind would live like that?
I didnt read all of the chat, too long, but from what i understand the 10nl boost tables are only eligible for the Boost bad beat jackpot, and not the regular bbj. If youre on a 10 boost table when the big bad beat hits, you dont get anything as far as i understand it. They are 2 completely different jackpots
I play here religiously and have been for quite some time. The problem is your understanding of the BBJ.
As you stated: " I was at the 10nlz BBJ tables the entire time. I have a screenshot showing this, as well as what time the session started. At 10:17pm EST, as "Dwayne" confirms multiple times in the live chat log, someone hit a $14,000 BBJ at the $5/$10 fast fold tables. I received no portion of this prize"
There is no "Boost" $5/$10 BBJ tables on BOL… highest they go is NL500 ($2/$5) and they never run. In fact, NL10z is the only boost stake that runs. Additionally, there are no NL10 regular BBJ tables available, only boost BBJ. In case you didn’t know, there are two separate BBJs. One is a BOOST BBJ, and one is the main BBJ. The $5/$10 you refer to is the main BBJ. The NL10z tables you were on have the separate and much smaller BOOST BBJ. If the $5/$10 BBJ hits... you get no part of it my man because you weren't on the table, nor were you playing in the right BBJ.
Anyway, hope this clears things up.
Keep at it crusher
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