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Pokersnowie preflop ranges

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Pokersnowie preflop ranges

I'm looking at Pokersnowie preflop ranges. I find these interesting, and there are a lot of stuff that makes sense, but some things I don't really understand, for example:

Snowie suggests that we should fold 98s from UTG, and open K9s and KJo. KJo > 98s from UTG?

Snowie seems to like Ax-hands as 3bets in many spots. Doesn't this make our 3betting range extremely Ax-heavy? Is that even a problem?

I'm curious to hear your thoughts about these preflop ranges and how we could implement these ranges into our own game.

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scubatim84 9 years ago

I am using Snowie too and I have noticed that it is very heavily skewed towards Ax hands for 3 betting and for 4-bet bluffs it has virtually nothing but suited A rag and suited K rag in the range. Obviously Snowie is taking advantage of the blocker effect, but given the rag itself varies, I'm not sure that it's a problem. For example, if flop is 258 rainbow, CO opened and we 3B from SB and CO flats with AQs, they have no idea if they're good or not. We could have 3B AA, maybe A2s, maybe A5s, so there is still the fear that any flop hit us because now if an A does come on turn or river then villain will just value own themselves when they think "oh, he has a weak ace here because that's most of his range, so I'm good."

I think the reason that Snowie prefers K9s or KJo to 89s UTG is because when we open UTG our range is obviously very strong. What hands will flat behind us IP? SCs right? What are the chances that villain will flat SCs weaker than 89s? Not super likely since most GTO strategies and the gap concept will state that you need to have a pretty strong hand to call which will likely be suited broadways. So the problem with 89s is if a lot of money does go into the pot we may be drawing dead. Far more likely if there is a flush over flush we have the better one if we're holding K9s. KJo made me scratch my head at first, and ATo is in there too, but they're really not that bad because for KJo you really only fear AJ if you hit a J and KQ if you hit a K. Why did I not mention AK? Virtually everyone will 3B that hand so they cap their range when they flat IP behind you. ATo you do have to worry about AJ and AQ, but you also can draw to the nut straight, and if you hit a T then you can get 2-3 streets of value if villain calls with JT/QT/KT/9Ts, etc.

I have been adopting Snowie's strategies, running a ton of challenges, scenarios, etc. over the past week and honestly I feel like my game has improved so much more over the past week than it has over the past month or two with coaching. The key though is to understand enough about the game to understand why Snowie is telling you what it is. I can't get behind doing what it says simply because it says it, so if I don't understand it, I'm probably not going to follow it personally.

A good example is for a couple days I was puzzling over why Snowie says to 4B AKo but then fold to a shove in most situations. My question is why 4B it then if we're turning it into a bluff essentially? Doesn't make any sense. However, if say we open in MP and button 3-bets us, we're OOP so if we can take it down now that's ideal hence the 4-bet. Also, if they flat with AQs and we do flop an ace, good things happen (for us). Button isn't going to be attacking MP super light, so realistically once they 5B jam they have QQ+,AK and maaaaybe A2s-A5s a small sliver of the time if they're good enough to 5-bet bluff. AKo does really terrible against that range because we only are in good shape against their 5B bluffs if they even exist. Hence in that specific example I believe Snowie recommends just calling a 5B jam with QQ+ and AKs. Check Snowie on that to be sure though because this is off the top of my head and I've only been using it a week.

Samu Patronen 9 years ago

Thanks a lot for your thoughts!

I have just recently started to take a look at these preflop ranges, and I think there are things that we can adapt to our games. Blindly following these ranges probably isn't good, but I will certainly go over all of these snowie ranges and come up with my own conclusions! =)

Btw, another thing I was thinking about that K9s being better than 98s: one factor is probably the fact that the most likely defender is BB, who calls a lot of hands, stuff like Q9s/Q8s/J9s/J8s/A8s etc.

scubatim84 9 years ago

Yep, good thought. We dominate a lot of the 9x hands that BB defends with and it also has a chance to hit a straight too. Not terribly difficult to play on K high boards either because we can check through flop IP or check call OOP to get bets out of air, low equity hands and 2nd pair.

calum2508 7 years, 10 months ago

i know this thread is over 1 year old but i've just purchased pokersnowie and i just cant get my head around the preflop calling/3b ranges. For example, if someone has raised UTG at a 9 man table my calling/3b range on the button is supposed to be TT+, plenty of suited broadways and weaker suited aces and then it also suggests to call with 54s but no other suited connectors...what's going on here lol? Am i going crazy, i really can't believe that it doesn't suggest to call with a few smaller pocket pairs such as 77+ at least. Someone please enlighten me! :)

ZenFish 7 years, 10 months ago

I'm curious about the multiway ranges, since we don't have any other program that attempts to solve those. Would be fun to see what an AI comes up with.

I was thinking the ranges could look strange because a lot of low frequency combos (Pio grids are full of them) are rounded to zero, while high frequency ones are rounded to 1. I made a probing question about that via someone who's working with the developers, but the Snowie team seems very secretive, and I got no answers.

Juan Copani 7 years, 10 months ago

You can try filtering in your HM2 or PT4 what your winrate is when you flat on the BTN (or either CO) with somehing like a small pocket pair, and see if the EV is super high or its just a close action.

calum2508 7 years, 10 months ago

Thankyou for the replies guys! I love Juan's suggestion of filtering hands in pokertracker to see what our EV is when we flat on the button with certain hands. going to give that a shot!

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