m1r1n with Snowie
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m1r1n with Snowie
Hi, All
I’m Mirin.
To be honest, so far I have been losing a lot of money in NL2 - NL25.
The most important reason is obviously my lack of ability.
But I think that Multi table playing is also important reason.
So far I have been playing mainly in Party Poker Fast Forward Table.
Moreover Time bank is shorter than Stars Zoom.
That’s why I decided to try to play only one table in PokerStars Zoom.
Rule
Site:Pokerstars
Stakes:NL10 6max zoom
Play only one table.
Daily Target
Play 1000 hands at least
Study 1 hour at least
Mid-term plan
Play 100k hands by the end of Jan 2019.
Breakeven or more except rake back.
I’m planning to report progress.
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Good luck! I'd love to see more people try this and see how good they can get when they're 100% focused.
Thank you, James!
I'm not sure pokerstars have rakeback(well I won't count 1-5% as rakeback), but you play 1 table anyway so it is not important.
Gl
Cool idea. I'm interested to see how you feel 1-tabling so many hands after a while. I'm almost sure it will help you a lot having the time to visualize the ranges in each spot and thinking different options through before acting. Avoiding auto-pilot should eliminate many of your mistakes and if you back it up with the study sessions I'm sure you will improve quickly. gl :)
The biggest thing for me when playing fewer tables is always finding additional barrel spots and flop floats.
I ve cut my tables down lately to 4. 5 if games are mental. Only been better experience overall. Less burnout, more fun, can play bigger as when edge is higher swongs are lower. Also focusing attention on the best 4 games I can find instead of playing marginal line ups just for the tables. And if you do play a tougher line up its better as obv those require more attention just not to get hosed.
Hi, all
Thank you for all replying.
I played 5k hands, so I put the graph.
So far, the result is too bad.
To be honest, it’s worse than when I was playing multitable.
By the way, in fact, my initial bankroll is only $100.
If I lose another $40, this project may be over. lol
Or, I may down stakes and try again.
I didn’t expect such a terrible result because I am playing only one table.
Anyway, I will play tomorrow , too.
GL!
Are you keeping up with the 1 hour a day of studying? I'm surprised that your redline is trending like that while 1 tabling. That might be inevitable at 10nl though, anyone have a better idea?
hard to tell anything looking on a graph, however redline dropping too much.
Almost every time I see a micro/small stakes NL player struggling and look over their game they are just being too weak. Giving up in the blinds vs BTN and SB too often (esp vs small raises), not stabbing enough at dead pots, not 2-3 barreling IP enough. Sometimes not value betting thin enough as well. All of this leads to a tanking redline.
This happens to myself some when shot taking. Was shot taking some 2/5, giving guys too much credit and not fighting hard enough. Its balance as taking hands too far then having to fold is also going to crush the redline but most players just dont fight for the dead monies.
I ve seen like 1 micro NL player who had a crushing redline but was taking it a bit far. Heart was in the right place and was willing to go hard on his reads. I even learnt something going through his play lol. So ya in the end its a balance but most lean too passive, not fighting like rabbit dogs for the dead money.
If bankroll is really that thin and you can t reload then drop down. If you are afraid of making a bad bluff or just a mistake at all you ll never make this transition. Gotta give the right amount of F@$!s. And the correct amount is not very many.
To be honest, 1hour has finished only reviewing hands that I tagged while playing and take player notes.
Stars players are tougher than Party one's even NL10z?
I must be able to keep calm because no multi table.
In fact I feel it.
I struggle to believe there is a tough 10nl pool anywhere. Rake is a bit lower on stars compared to party. Thats your biggest concern.
Thank you , WM2K
I have enough money for additional deposit to play NL10.
But I have never terrible experience like this at NL10.
So, I was afraid of additional deposit.
This needs to be resolved. Fear is a valuable and powerful emotion. However the moment you start getting paralyzed by your fear of losing, you are already lost.
Hi, all
I played 10k hands, so I update the graph.
Downswing was stopped, but result is still not good.
Blue line is not good.
The reason is that for example I cannot fold like this hand.
I think that river action should be x/c or b/f.
But I cannot press the fold button while playing.
By the way, Playing only 1 table is need more perseverance than I thought.
Next, I’m going to update after 15k or 20k.
GL!
likely we can size down on the river and bet fold, you blocking Th which is hand most likely calling your decent size.
Thank you, Jeff.
To be honest, I forgot about blocking effect when I was playing.
When I am getting a little tired, I often forget about blocking effect.
This is what I have to improve.
hey good to see that you could stop your results dropping. I think it takes quite some (basic) skills to become a break-even player (considering the rake). Now many would argue the NL10 player pools are a joke with many weak players and this is certainly true if you're already a winning player at NL50/NL100+. But imo as a player recently loosing in micros this is not a trivial process. Evolving into a player who plays as balanced as you can as your default strategy but with time learn to notice where your opponents will bleed money if you exploit it is not trivial.
In your opening post you said you lost a lot of money at the micros so I'd suggest you to accept becoming a break-even player as a decent mid-term goal achievement. I can imagine how it still feels like you're playing like poop because you can't even beat NL10 - but in reality you (might) have developed from a loosing micro-stakes player to a break-evenish player.
It's just natural for poker players to somewhat overestimate what pools you can beat and you're certainly on a good way noticing you have quite some leaks leading to the results and not blaming downswings. But just try to keep improving and see it as a progress if you've indeed become a break-evenish player by now. E.g. I wouldn't have expected you to develop from a (making up the numbers) -7bb/100 player to a +8bb/100 winner in just 10k hands. Even if you went from -7bb/100 to -1bb/100 it's a good progress and if you keep building on that you could soon be at +3-4bb/100 and so on.
Excited to see your next update.
The hand you posted is a very gross spot. Cut-off is pretty uncapped at this board and he would play all his full houses (22/JJ/AA/A2) like that. This should be 10 combos. Now given that we need 25%ish equity we would need to find 2,5 bluffing/weaker value combos from him. That is 2,5 of many of his QhX combos (e.g. AxQh KxQh, JxQh...TxQh would offer him 12-13 combos to pick from). Also, he could just be a maniac reading your sizing and turn check as weakness (i.e. you not having the Kh) and just wants to fire at you to fold a lower flush. In other words, he needs to be 100% imbalanced to having value only and 0 bluffs for you to fold your best bluffcatcher here. I guess if he insta-jams I'm seeing me folding here but else I don't think calling with the nutflush can be a big mistake. It could be however, I'm wrong and crushing players always find the fold here and are correct to do so. If you make this call with the Qh regularly it's a different story and then it might indeed represent a leak of you overvaluing your hand strength once you've commited lots of money in the pot already.
Thank you, Eldora.
I think playing NL10z is my best decision for this challenge.
Probably I can't play NL5 seriously because stakes is too low.
Playing NL25 is too tough for me even I have enough money.
I had played NL25z with no plan before.
Because I thought it makes me strong faster.
But it was really ridiculous.
I’m really glad I started this journal.
I can continue this challenge because I can get everyone’s reply.
If I hadn't started this journal, I would return to be a foolish multi-table player now.
I agree with your post, Eldora, just wanted to extend it a little bit.
Not beating the games does not mean you are not playing very well. For example, you can be -2bb/100 in a tough 10bb/100 rake environment, where the average reg is losing -6bb/100. So be proud to be a -2bb/100 "loser" since you are beating a good chunk of the regs. If you want to, however, make money and not just be a good player, you need to a) find better environment, b) find better rakeback deals and of course c) improve further.
Hi M1r1n
I’m going to follow your progress with interest as I’m doing a similar thing, and also 1 table only.
Good luck.
Thank you Mike!
Your comment makes my motivation increased!
Your redline is evening out so thats a good sign. A friend of mine has been playing some 10nl lately and just runs the games over. So attack attack attack. When they are weak, bet. BUT obv hold back when its appropriate as well.
I decided to change my plan.
Daily&Weekly Target
Play 700hands/day
Study at least 1h/day
Play and study 6days/week
Mid-term Plan
Play 100k hands by the end of 1st week of Apr 2019
At least breakeven
Long-term Plan
Play next 50k hands by the end of Jun 2019
At least 4bb/100h
Playing 1k hands while checking showdown hands and taking notes is hard for me.
And it it takes long time than I thought.
I often lose my concentration on last 200-300hands.
So I decided to reduce playing hands per day.
And I also need day off.
700h/day is a lot still if you are working. ~3hrs of play for 1 table? I d worry about quality of study and volume a lot more then time spent. But if you got the time and the passion sure. Easy to burn out quick following an aggressive plan though.
Thank you, WM2K
Actually, I am on sick leave now.(like epileptic seizure)
So I have a lot of time now.
But playing 1k hands per day was hard task for me.
Probably I can play only around 220 hands per 1hour.
Because I often check showdown hands and take notes.
Moreover I take a short break every 15min for keeping concentration.
That's why, it took long time to play 1k hands.
Actually, I've been studying not only poker but also English.
So, I am going to reduce playing time and increase studying time.
I think you should at least play 2 tables and monitor your performace. I'm 100% you won't get lost as you might think... try and then reduce the tabling if you have some issues.
If you 2 table instead of 1, you are DOUBLING you're volume.... but your winrate won't be halved
2 tables zoom is fairly heavy unless you are decently practiced. ~220-250 hands an hour per table.
ops my bad, I misread, I thought he would normal tabling
Downswing again.
I lost much more money per bb/100 than playing 2tables on party NL10z.
I'm very confused.
Simply, Stars is tougher than party?
But Party is much fewer traffic except European core time.
So, I've been playing on Stars this time.
But I should probably stop playing or lower stakes.
I think I have been playing calmly than playing 2tables.
So I can't understand the reason of this result.
I would suggest that you record a short video of you playing and share it here. I'm sure there are atleast a few players who could take a look at your gameplay and give some constructive feedback. Could be very helpful!
Sample size?
It's not as if you have played 100k hands.
I would suggest you start doing some database analysis and look for spots where your winrate is very negative and focus on them. For example, cold call from MP, calling 3bets oop, ip etc. You can pay a coach to help you or use the videos here on RIO to get a feel for how to do it. I don't think it's a skill you can do without in 2018. There is a dedicated playlist in the Learning Paths.
Thank you, Samu Patronen and ethanrox
Uploading my play is a bit shy. :D
Exactly, there are few sample size.
Anyway, stop playing for a few days and then analyze my database and study.
I will restart playing after recovering confidence.
I analyzed my Database a little.
Called 3bet was positive.
I was surprised. :D
Called 2bet was negative.(-400bb)
My VPIP/PFR is 19.5/16.5
so I think I didn't call 2bet with wide range.
I think I regained calm.
But I am still Stars phobia. :D
Hi,
I have played little recently because I had caught a cold.
By the way, I bought Snowie.
I'm not sure whether it's useful or not yet.
But from now on I will review the hands of blunder for my main study after playing.
The comparison with Snowie is super interesting! Any updates?
GL
Thank you pksmv11235
I'm not playing recently because of catching a cold.
But I'm studing everyday using Snowie.
But Snowie often makes me confused.
This pic is Snowie's NL20 6max , SB3bet(10bb) range vs UTG 2.5bb open.
I feel its too wide.
Or is this a reasonable range?
I don't want to 3bet AQo,AJs-A6s in this situation.
When I feel good, I will restart playing!!
It's interesting that snowie elects to 3bet all suited aces I personally discount some of them especially against UTG. Maybe AKs-A9s and then again A5s-A4s at some mediocre frequency. I would therefore 3bet KQs and KJs and I believe also sometimes KTs and QJs instead. Part from it comes from not having a flatting range in the SB at regular tables but it seems I'm exchanging some suited aces for the KQs/KJs/KTs/QJs stuff compared to snowie.
But I'm not saying snowie is wrong here
I tried to create my PreflopChart using snowie.
But Snowie's 3,4bet range looks distorted.
So, It's hard to use for me.
I think it's need to adjust.
I want to make a chart and play again!
I've finished to make PreflopChart based on Snowie.
From now I play based on it.
But I played HU Zoom yesterday.
I lost some money, but it was very exciting.
So I'm inclining toward playing HU Zoom......
I changed my blog title.
Because I decided to play 2tables.
Only 1table playing makes me bored me even zoom than I thought.
And It's difficult to keep my motivation.
So from now I will play 2tables.
And I will update everyweek.
study
I studied using Snowie for several days.
But Snowie doesn't teach me the reason of the action.
So I will study using both Snowie and solver.
From now I will play 2tables.
But If one table enters into the post-flop, I will sit out the other table.
By doing so, I will prevent two tables playing the post-flop at the same time.
Hi,
I don't play poker recently.
But I think I try again.
So, at first, I made Preflop Chart like this on excel.
This chart is based on Snowie.
And I think I try only one table playing again.
The reason is simple,
It's difficult to play 2tables while seeing the chart.
From now on, I will post my resut and about snowie,
So I changed my blog title again.
Good luck in february!
Thanks Zeneka!
Since the last post, I have not played much yet.
But,I played a little NLz100 on Party on capricious.
One thing I understood is that there are fish like NL5 even at NLz100. (Of course I am fish, too)
So, there is something I thought.
Is it that I will get stronger soon to play at higher stakes?
Until the end of April I have only studied poker and programming, so I suddenly thought about such things.
By the way,
Which stakes can Snowie beat ?
I studied a lot on the internet but I could not find it.
think snowie can beat up to nl10, but I don't know current state of micro stakes. But it is not snowie which will beat it, it is you with additional factors (strong theory and mental game, solid preflop and postflop approach)
I thought Snowie was a bit stronger.
I was a little disappointed.
to beat microstakes snowie or pio isn't magic pill. But learning from it and exploiting people is key to success
I don't know what stakes Snowie can beat actually, but probably your best bet is to forget about it and learn theory from scracth. The new Janda's book imho is perfect.
Best of luck mate
I bought Janda's new book before but haven't read yet...
But I think it is easier to read than AoNLHE.
Hows it going?
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