Moving up Anxiety..

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Moving up Anxiety..

Hey guys,

So i have a very nice winrate at my current limits (I play mostly 10nl, recorded 210k hands with 11bb/100)

Now i know this is more than enough to have moved up limits by now, but i am having anxiety problems that keep me from doing so,

- Couple of reasons for this is the fact i hate having no reads/hands on people, what is a good reaction to this?
- How did you overcome this anxiety feeling of moving up stakes? What is the best way to get myself mentally prepared before a session?
- I'm finding it hard to give myself reason/motivation on moving up when i tend to do well at the games i currently play, how do i overcome this?

I guess things that put me off mostly aswell is everytime i have took stabs at higher stakes, i lose a couple of buy ins due to silly mistakes on my part, out thinking myself most of the time rather than the "ABC" i know.

Would really appreciate your feedback on this, How did you overcome the anxiety of moving up?

Thanks in advance people,
Peace out x

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James Hudson 11 years, 11 months ago
Hey, I wouldn't sweat this too much. I think most people have at least some fear in them when they try to move up. I know the first time I tried to move up to midstakes my mouse hand would shake in between hands :) . The best way for you to transition might be to substitute one higher stakes table with one of your normal stakes tables and gradually do that until you have none of the lower stakes tables left.
Ray Cobbing 11 years, 11 months ago
Thanks for your reply James!

I actually get the whole "mouse hand shake" aswell, haha. I thought i would of been the only one :P

Thanks again for the tip this is definatly something i will try!
Forbes M 11 years, 11 months ago
Yup had the mouse shake...usually when it's a all in situation where I know the equity is good and it's the right move. Still didn't stop the shake, then again a little adrenaline isn't a bad thing time to time. I agree though splitting the stakes is a good idea.

Also as for having no reads think of it a different way...they have no reads on you ;). So really your at no disadvantage in this respect. If you want you can load up a few tables and watch the action check how many tables guys are on and you'll be able to spot the regs quite quickly and mark them so in reality you have a few reads already that they don't.
Tom Coldwell 11 years, 11 months ago
Beyond splitting stakes and/or reducing the number of tables you play, there are a couple of things you can do which might reduce the stress/avoid you potentially playing scared (or the much ignored over-adjusting and playing spewy because you're conscious of the fact you may play scared).

One of these, and this depends on exactly what is causing the shakes, is to take your shots during/directly after a decent winning session for you. Say you just won 5 buy ins, maybe load up a couple of tables at the next stakes and see how it goes. That way, you can perhaps trick your mind that you're freerolling because if you lose, you just end up back where you started for the day. In theory, this is irrelevant, but if it helps in practice it's not to be sniffed at (it's also worth noting that if you are up 5 buyins, you are more likely to be playing well/focused than at a random moment which could in itself reduce the stress as you'll be concentrating more on making good decisions).

Another thing you could do if the lack of reads is an issue is take a look if any of the guys at your stakes are playing higher. Use the search function, browse tables for players you've colour-coded etc. After all, if you're playing at unfamiliar stakes, it will likely be comforting to know that at least 1 or 2 of the guys at your table are players you are capable of beating. This way, much as with splitting stakes, you can kind of ease yourself into the games by playing with fewer unfamiliar (and therefore potentially decent) villains.

Finally, game select. Look for the tables which appear to comprise the least number of competent villains. For me, I think really high VPIPs and a number of 70-90bb stacks are usually good indicators (high VPIPs for obvious reasons and the 70-90bb stacks because they usually indicate non-reloaders and good players tend to auto-reload). This is particularly easy at the smaller stakes where there are so many tables to choose from that you have no reason to just randomly jump into a game when taking a shot.

With any luck, you just cooler a guy on hand 7 and never look back making all this irrelevant :p
Parker Muir 11 years, 11 months ago
Good post. I think the last part is the most important. Make sure when moving up, you are doing so in really good games by monitoring the lobby and only playing higher if the situation presents itself. Sometimes you will find yourself on a 25nl table that is softer than your average 10nl table! That should help your confidence/winrate.
Ray Cobbing 11 years, 11 months ago
Awesome post Tom, thanks a bunch!

I do like the idea of "tricking the mind" One does tend to play better on a "Freeroll" :D

I also like the idea of coolering someone in the 7th hand hehe, good advice :P
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
The main problem is that you are not comfortable to lose $25 in one hand.
My advice would be to shortstack 50-100NL for a while and play a really mathematical style so there is no room for "bad play", or to do a couple of flips at 25NL. This way you will be desentized.

Btw Toms advice is more in line with how common people think. My advice is more what a degen would do, don't you wanna grow up to be just like me?
Nic Morgan 11 years, 11 months ago
what I do if I'm nervous about moving up is the play the first 2 sessions or so at 50bb stacks. You won't be giving up that much EV by playing half stacked for 1k hands or something, especially if it helps you start beating the higher level sooner rather than later. Then if you lose a stack, you're still only losing the same amount you were losing at the lower level.

Another thing you can do is just sit the games and play like a mega nit for like 200 hands or something. Only play TT-AA, AQs, AK. If someone plays back at you in anyway and you don't feel positive you have the best hand, then just fold. You give up some EV for sure, but you only lose 7bbs if someone raises a cbet or something. By the end of the 200 hands you will prolly be down like 1/4 bi or something assuming you don't stack anybody. But you can take that time to just watch the action. I promise you will realize that the guys playing 25nl are really no better than the guys playing 10nl. Then after 200 hands, start to open your range slowly. The next couple of circuits add some hands like flatting with 66-99, AT-AQ, 9Ts-KQs. Just add in a few of these hands at a time. By the end of a 1k hand session you will be playing your standard game and all you really had to give up to get there was playing nitty for a session.
Ray Cobbing 11 years, 11 months ago
Thanks all this is awesome, going to combine most of these factors together and see what we come up with! Working up enough courage to play start of May, going to cushion myself with a few more buy ins at 10nl and then go for it big time!

Thanks for all your feedback :)
Will let you know how it went :P x
thestomach 11 years, 11 months ago
11bb wr at 10nl should = close to the same at 20/25nl. + more rb or bonuses. double figure win rates are hard to come by nowadays so just go into the new stakes with confidence that you can crush and have crushed for a long period of time. i know the amounts are higher but im sure you have had sizeable swings by now. maybe have a tigher stop loss to start off with then open that up once you have booked x amount in profit.

remember everyone has moved up and down the stakes and its never easy to instantly adapt and be cool with everything, but after a while its all just the same old same old.

good luck!
TheRaulrus 11 years, 11 months ago
If you have the correct type of bankroll for the stakes you would like to play at, and feel confident in doing so, you should try it out. Really, you just have to believe in yourself and your skills. Be optimistic going into sessions, which will create a more positive outlook for yourself. Understand that the stakes you're currently playing at, you've been doing well because you put in the hard work and dedication to beat those stakes. Now, you just gotta do the same for the higher stakes. Try not to feel too discouraged if you lose at the higher stakes at first. It sounds corny, but practice really does make perfect. Just keep chipping away at it, and you should be fine.
Ray Cobbing 11 years, 11 months ago
Would like to thank everyone for the quality feedback!

Fact is i am happy with my game at the moment, very confident going into every session but as soon as i move up i can't help but feel something "different" can't really explain it :D Think i expect too much of myself as i am getting close to the stage (If i keep double figure winrate) Where my dream is nearly my reality, it gets me kind of over whelmed.

I'm very lucky enough at the moment in my life to have a nice job, and minimal outgoings every month. So i need to just crack on with it and see how far i can really go with poker. It does over whelm me somewhat because i know i have what it takes.

But anyway, thanks again everyone <3 Much appreciated. NL100 by August :D
Teddy 11 years, 11 months ago
Kinda agree with GT about moving a few stakes higher than the one you intend to play and then either staying if you run good or going to the one above your normal to make it seem smaller.

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