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BECOMING A POKER PRO (via NachosPoker and BrPC)

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BECOMING A POKER PRO (via NachosPoker and BrPC)

Hey everyone:)

1. INTRODUCTION:

My name is Martin, I am currently 22 years old guy from Slovakia. I have always been passionate about the game, grinding zynga poker :D, but given the fact that my country is so small (5.5mil) it was kinda hard to start playing "professionally" since you need someone who shows you the fundamentals (even the forum like this is almost impossible to find for a recreational). However, I got lucky since friend of mine (from chess which I was playing for almost 7yrs) introduced me to online poker for real money as well as my first poker forum where I have registered - pokerstrategy.
I was totally overwhelmed, excited.. when I saw some beginner strategies (not limping preflop, regggs tags, nits, lags type of players..) esp. when I looked at play money poker and there were all recreational doing those wrong things, so I could test it and see if it works.. Surprisingly it worked really well!
I literally spent 2 months prob like 4h+ a day on that forum, reading articles, watching videos.. basically trying to grasp the fundamentals and to be well prepared for the real money games. Its hard to describe, but I was incredibly motivated.. (it was actually during summer holidays 2017)
I still remember the amount of excitement when I first time opened the pokerstars real money tables... the main obstacle I had was my secondary grammar school (since I was attending one of the best ones in my country) so it took me a decent amount of time and I also have had lot of different activities going on.

I have been playing poker for 3 years (mostly 6max cash game), but have had some breaks, because of school, friends, my free time activities etc etc. Currently playing nl50 6max on pokerstars/gg. I used to dream to become a poker pro, so I hope that one day, my dream come true! Thats why I decided to go to uni only for students benefits, so I have got "gap year" as a trial to see whether I am able to make it as a poker pro, but also if this is something which is really fulfilling me.. That said, if after this year I wont be able to make it as a pro or I will find that poker isnt the way to go, I will go to the uni next year and study either math or psychology+statistics.

My approach to poker as some of you might have seen on this forum is highly exploitative.. I was inspired by Nick Howard and his free youtube content. His approach really resonates with me esp. because I think there are very few coaches who are talking about that stuff (if you know someone else, please let me know:)

Besides technical part, I am also trying to work on my mental game, I believe I can gain additional edge at the tables by meditating, exercising, having a cold shower, eating healthy stuff.. For me, its really important to listen to people who I regard as successful and trying to take from them good habits, because I think those rooted habits makes them better than the others bottom 80%

I am more of a sport type person enjoy being around people and having a lot of fun! However, currently due to lockdown in my country, I am forced to exercise only at home and meeting most of my friends just online, but still its better than nothing:)

Outside of poker, I am currently in 3-year leadership program (Nexteria). Which is really cool, since its pretty hard to get there and I found the community being so great, esp. because people out there really wants to become better as a person. The vision of that non-profit organization is to have competent and fair people on important positions in Slovakia

My life philosophy is basically enjoying life at any given moment, because life is too short.. thats why you would see me smiling most of the time:)

PURPOSE

  • keep myself accountable
  • inspire some (microgrinders) that its possible to get there

DAILY GOALS

  • some sort of exercise
  • meditation
  • intentions and gratefulness (I have a notebook where I write on a daily basis my intentions and few things for which I am grateful)
  • book reading (currently reading 12 rules for life by J.Peterson)
  • morning cold shower
  • checking out my vision

FOCUS

  • thinking in terms of ranges in every single spot
  • trying to enjoy the process of learning and playing as much as possible

HOBBYS

  • chess
  • table soccer
  • football
  • swimming in cold water
  • walking
  • math / logical problems
  • table games

I will be updating this journal on a weekly basis, trying to bring at least one thing which I have learned/wanna share with you

sorry for my English and grammar mistakes, I am far from being a native speaker:)

Enjoy reading! :)

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MatoStar 4 years, 5 months ago

2. ENJOY YOUR STUDY PROCESS

Hey guys:)

Everyone loves to play a game (if we arent currently on downswing), but generally speaking, its much easier for most of us to motivate to play compared with studying. However, I think its wrong, because if we really love this game, we should enjoy the process of studying at least equally than we enjoy grinding. Why this is so important?

First and foremost, without studying you cant really become a poker pro since at some point you will just stagnate and get crushed by other players who are just taking it more seriously. However, it doesnt mean that you should study, because someone told you that you become a better player.. this might work for certain time, but in the long term, you will just suck due to lack of motivation. So what should we do?

Let me mention the advice posted by DNegs98

Also something that I've done that I would really recommend is to change your goal from winning money to getting better at poker, when the goal of your session is to really think about and analyse your decisions and improve the process by which you make them then you can tune out the results especially because you will start to understand the spots where you have a really strong understanding of how to play them and where your villains are making mistakes so you can see where your win rate materialises from.

So for me, it means that I am totally changing goals, and only thing which matters is that if I learn something.. regardless of how many mistakes I have made or if I was running hot/cold.. Dont get me wrong, I am still working on this mindset, but esp after yesterday hand review, I really saw a decent amount of potential coming from this paradigm. I literally went through 15 marked hands and 10 of them were mistakes (3 were almost blunders) and I was really confident during all the process and totally enjoy the feeling when I found a mistake and was able to navigate from there..

What should be your takeaway? Well, I think it starts with just constantly remembering yourself whats your main goal and on which aspects you wanna focus. Just integrating those things into your subconscious to the point where you will clearly see more benefit in focusing on getting better instead of win the current session or make no mistake. (while studying and playing as well)

Hope it helps:)
Dont hesitate to comment if you agree/disagree or have any suggestions!

MatoStar 4 years, 5 months ago

3. MINDSET BOOST

Hello!

Today, I will again quote what I have read on this forum and it really resonated with me. It was written by poker coach on RIO Patrick Cronin:

I feel like this is a weird disclaimer for a poker training site, but remember that your identity and value as a human is not tied to your success in poker. When I am able to remind myself of this it makes it a lot easier for me to deal with what can be very soul crushing downswings.

This is especially important during tough times when things are going wrong, we are on downswing.. then we face a choice whether we allow this situation to have an impact on our overall mood and well-being or not. I believe that by constantly reminding that "between stimulus and reaction there is a choice" (Viktor E. Frankl) we might become better at recognizing whenever the situation like this appear (not only related to poker) and choose the proper action.

Not only reminding, but also doing habits outside of poker such as meditation is definitely really helpful and may basically faster the process of becoming more balanced person:)

Hope, that at least some of you find it helpful:)

Will be back tomorrow!

MatoStar 4 years, 5 months ago

4. CURRENT RESULTS AND FUTURE PLANS

Hey guys, today I wanna share with you my current results from this year, plus set some goals for the next month.

So, here we go, winamax graph (Feb-Jun)

Pokerstars graph (Jun-Oct):

As you can see I didnt play that many hours though, it was due to my school till June. However, now I am taking poker more seriously, since I have got a "gap-year" as a try to become a poker pro:)

This month was the first time I was playing at nl50, so even if the results arent as good as they are at lower stakes, I am happy that I sort of stayed there. However, I feel that the pool is getting me into more tough spots, like they are aware of what are the general exploits, so if I am applying pressure to those lines, they often take a counter attack (talking about 25% regs at the pool).

My future plans: try to establish at nl50 (maybe put a good sample size at nl25 to gain more confidence:)). So, for the next month, its gonna be at least 100h of playing and 50 hours of studying.
I had the same goal for this month, results are so far:
- studying 53.7/50 hours;
- playing 70.83/100h

So the conclusion is that, I should probably pay more attention to play enough (while not forgetting that I am mostly learning by studying). Therefore I would like to next month focus rather on weekly goals. So I will be aiming for 25h and 12h playing and studying.

Just wonder if I just hit a hot run on nl16/25 or a bad run at nl50, or are those stakes so different in terms of difficulty? Who knows, but its not something I wanna focus on, I believe that by good preparation (HH review, exercise, meditation, cold shower..) I will be able to crush even nl50:)

Note: I prob play like 10k hands more nl25 6max on gg poker during the wsop event...

MatoStar 4 years, 5 months ago

5. HOW DO WE WIN

Heyy:)

Hope you are doing well!

Today, I would like to go into more complex topic in a nutshell with potential follow ups and maybe even some discussion if you are interested..

Everyone knows that most poker players are losers in the long run. However, given this fact most of us on this forum are stubborn enough that we think that we are special, unique and can be the exception/outlier. We are so obstinate but at the same point we are disposing with a decent amount of self-trust in our capabilities which is usually -EV (talking from a more broad perspective). Saying that if we would choose a random guy who is trying to be a poker pro, we are better off saying him: "Man, move on, dont waste your time since most of you wont be successful in this industry"
So why we are still here? Talking ourselves the narratives that we are better than the others.. that we understand something that nobody else does, yeah, thats true for everyone, but how does it guarantee you the success? Because we see the light, we are dreaming that one day... we will work hard and will get there..
What I would I like to point out is that only certain subset of you will achieve in poker achievements and goals which you are dreaming of, incl. myself. However, my main focus isnt to become the number 1 in the world, to show the world how much money I have earned or whatever else it might be... I am here to show the world that even if I fail, I succeed Might sound weird, but if I learn something new, I am moving forward and thats my goal, thats my win. I dont care if you win XY thousands money in poker by playing if you havent learned anything new. Yeah, for you, it might be a win, but not for me, I am here to learn.. my life vision is to become a better more smarter person who is living a life which might inspire others in a positive way
I am not saying that winning in poker isnt important.. it is for sure, but for me, its more important to learn something new and move forward, because lets imagine that you quit with poker (it might be now, 5/10/15/20 years later). How you wanna look like? Do you like the perspective of you being more rich, but with a sort of poor perspective of life and not knowing much at all.. or having less money, no real tangible successes in poker which you can show the world.. but being more well-balanced person with a healthy mindset focused on learning..
Everyday we face many choices, this one is of the most important, everyday you might decide to go one way or another, you have got so much freedom that you can experiment trying so many paradigms, because at the end of the day, nobody cares except of ourselves..

I think its enough for today, I like talking about this topic in depth, soo feel free to comment:)

Good night!

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

6. IMPROVING MY MENTAL GAME

Hey again!
Hope you are doing well:)

Back after break, I was pretty much playing and studying a lot..
I have also started to read the mental game of poker by J.Tendler.

Here are some key adjustments which I have started to implement:

  1. Switch to task-oriented thinking instead of results-oriented. That said, before every single session, I am gonna choose one task I wanna focus on (making rational decisions, table selection, my overall control etc).

  2. After every single session, just assess my overall confidence, flow, control and rationality in a scale of 0-10. If the number is gonna be below 7, I am forced to also write a reason why I think its that low.

  3. Evening routine - I have set the certain time (10pm) after which I wont be using my phone/laptop anymore. Its mainly because I want to go to sleep every day at appr. the same time and this just not allow me to procrastinate till late night. Just having the idea in mind that I wanna start and finish the day with myself, not with devices.. because then I think I am sometimes even losing control (staying awake for too long even if I planned to go to sleep earlier). I hope this fix will work, we will see, I promise I will try to do my best!

Hope you find some value in it:)

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

7.MONTHLY RESULTS

Hey guys, its time.. time to show you how I was doing this month what I have learned and where I think my potential leaks are.

Okay so, here we go:

First of all, I have to say that this month in terms of results had been by far the most successful in my career.
Yeah for sure there is some variance, but still the winrate is pretty lucrative (at nl25z).

Switching to zoom tables*
In the end of the month I decided to switch from full ring towards zoom tables. I sort of cant believe that I was able to adapt with so far astronomical winrate.. thought I would be struggling at least at the beginning since I am not used to play zoom.
However, I believe the switch is really important, because I am just dealing with much tougher spots and as many good players already mentioned, full ring poker isnt the future of poker..
Surprisingly, I am still playing roughly 250hand/hour while grinding 2 zoom tables.. I think its mainly due to my higher vpip/pfr, but also the fact that I wanna think about most of my decisions (using System2) and once my time bank goes down, I am instantly sitting out at next big blind and open new zoom table with full time bank, since I feel like with more time, I am able to make more precise decision - so that my winrate, but even confidence is higher and therefore I am not tilting that often as well.

What I also found pretty important is that I have started to evaluate after every single session my game quality and my emotional control on a scale of 0-10 and the average from 12 ssn for me is 8,75 and 8,67 respectively.

The main lesson I have learned this month is that with a clear mind and good mental state (which I am trying to achieve by evaluating the quality of the ssn, but also meditation, exercise, nutrition..) I am able to play my A-game.. and even if I know that I am still making plenty of mistakes, whats the most important is that I am aware of that, I know my A-game doesnt mean I am no longer making any mistakes. Knowing that I did my best, knowing that I am in the right mental state, that I have studied a lot and its time to show to the pool, but still knowing how much I dont know, so there are gonna be spots where I might be wrong/unsure and thats fine as long as it doesnt have any impact on your current mental state.
That was probably my biggest takeaway and I feel like if I can master this and play my A-Game with the right mental state of mind, my winrate is gonna be even higher, but I will also feel more happy at the end of the day, even though I lose few BI knowing that I did my best, so its +ev in terms of money, but also in terms of life ev which is also extremely important.

Where was my biggest leaks?*
Honestly, I dont know :D
I would say that not being organized when it comes to studying poker. Since its so complex game, I often forget about the importance of continuity and having a good system which would help me to learn more efficiently. So for the next month, I will try to define what are the areas I wanna work on and then just work mostly on them.. because yeah I am gonna mark xy hands and then while doing HH review one is from 3bpt as an aggressor OOP, another is SRP as a caller, another is a preflop question etc etc.
Therefore this month or at least week I would like to focus on SRP as a caller.

Summary: I planned to play 100h and study 50h. As you can see I managed to play only 77.17h and study about 60h. I believe transitioning to zoom tables I can increase the playtime since I no longer need to be table selecting.

For december: its 90h of playing and 40h of studying due to Holidays..
Gotta continue crushing nl25z, it would be incredible if I could manage to be at least 20bb/100 winner over decent sample size.

Thanks for reading!

Dont hesitate to leave a comment/suggestion or whatever else:)

Shaun Pauwels 4 years, 4 months ago

the fact that I wanna think about most of my decisions (using System2)

I have not heard of this. Please enlighten me. Sounds like a good thing.

it would be incredible if I could manage to be at least 20bb/100 winner over decent sample size.

Shoot for the moon, land among the stars?

Keep at it, looking good!

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

I have not heard of this. Please enlighten me. Sounds like a good
thing.

Well I have it from the book Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman.

System 1 - is the brain’s fast, automatic, intuitive approach activity includes the innate mental activities that we are born with, such as a preparedness to perceive the world around us, recognise objects, orient attention, avoid losses.
In poker: checking back the river with seemingly showdown value (not even considering turning that hand into a bluff/valuebet) or snap x/c with sort medium hand without considering raising or folding

System 2 - he mind’s slower, analytical mode, where reason dominates. Usually, system 2 activity is activated when we do something that does not come naturally and requires some sort of conscious mental exertion.
The common example used to demonstrate the two systems is the following puzzle: A bat and a ball together cost $1.10. The bat costs $1 more than the ball. How much does the ball cost?
The intuitive (system 1) response - 0.1$
The analytical response with some reasoning?*

Shoot for the moon, land among the stars?

:DD lets see, so far by pokerdope:

  • Yeah you got it right, its 0.05$:)
MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

Sick month man!

Haha :D I hope its finally showing my hard work:P Just joking

We will see at the end of this month, just trying to put a little bit more trustworthy sample size at nl25z :D

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

8. UNDERSTANDING THE VARIANCE

Hey friends,

Back after week, currently you can find me pretty often at nl50z on pokerstars, moved there after crushing nl25z with a smaller sample size . I hope I can be also winner at those stakes, because I feel like they are some pretty solid regs which are for sure better than me, but on the other hand I feel like its a really small subset of the overall pool and still lot of bad regs, and recreational players.

However, whats usually a rule of thumb is that the higher you play, the tougher the games are, and therefore your winrate is gonna be lower. What does that mean in reality? Basically that you are going to have more downswings for a longer time. Its how the variance works.

This is something really important for all guys who would at some point reach this threshold, and I think at certain stage of our career all of us actually does. You cant beat 2/5+ online for 20bb/100. (unless you play on some crazy apps). That said, its crucial to understand once we start to have 10,20,30bi downswings (and even more) that its just okay and it doesnt necessarily mean that we are playing bad poker.. Its tough when we arent used to deal with those kind of things, trust me. I have moved from full ring to zoom tables, when the standard deviation is much higher, I feel like I was playing for stacks every single session..

Anyway, here are some numbers if our true winrate at nl50z is 5bb/100 (which is actually really great, bc your winrate before the rake consideration is 14bb/100 which is incredible for those stakes and if you are there, your poker knowledge is very solid!)

This picture tells us, that there is some 5.7% chance that we might be losing after 100k hands! Thats actually a decent sample size.
On the other hand, for less than 5% risk of ruin, we need only 30bi. So we can actually take a shot with 30bi and be actually pretty safe (but still be careful).

Just look at the probability of hitting 50bi downswing - 4%. This is something esp. important for micro grinders who could be winning like 10bb/100+ (and having lower StDev). Here are some steps which you might take to prevent from being crushed by the variance

  1. Knowing that it might actually happen, so that it wont hit you that hard.
  2. Prepare your bankroll and stick with some rules such as moving down after losing x bi (or %) of your roll.
  3. Set up your mind on focusing on playing your A-Game no matter the results. If you know that in the next session you might lose couple of bi why does it surprise you? Why does it affect your emotion state? You know its real, so just accept it, look at your session as an endurance race, its just x hands from 100k or even million
    If you quit the session, it isnt the end, you just hit the pause button for a while. Then you come back tomorrow and hit the play button.. you are doing this your whole poker career, you play only one long race and how far you can actually get, depends on the quality of your races which have no relations with the actual result of one session.

That said, its all about our focus and being in the right mental state. Why would you focus on short-term results? Checking after few hundreds/thousands hands how are my results? (unless you are taking a shot and cant afford to lose more than X amount of bi)
Imo, its totally self-destructive, because what might happen?

  1. You are winning so far, okay it might boost your confidence a bit (but you are confident enough if your focus is to study and then play your best A-game)
  2. You are breakeven after smaller sample - well, it prob wont affect you that much, maybe you would think that you want to improve something
  3. You are losing - this is the main issue; you might start thinking: what am I doing wrong? Oh, I made few mistakes, so that I am a loser right now.. Your confidence level is getting lower, so that you might be no longer able to play your A-Game, or you might make a change even if your game was solid.
    Dont get me wrong with the 3. point, sometimes your strategy is no longer working and therefore we need to change something, but if you are beating previous stakes for 5bb/100 or higher, you shouldnt be worse than a breakeven player on the next llimit

Hope at least some of you find it helpful, and dont hesitate to leave a comment, question, critique, whatever:)

See yea

HeavyMask 4 years, 4 months ago

Great post, this reminds me of what Mason Malmuth wrote in his psychological book.
Basically, he said, our best bet for aspiring poker players, is to focus on understanding the statistical and strategic part of the game. The former means, exactly what you have written.
If we take care of these two aspects tilt will be auto-prevented, along with more other positive factors.

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 4 months ago

Just read through your entire journal and you are doing a great job of posting updates and seem to be focusing on the right things with long term vision, learning process, making sure you are making the most +EV decisions and not focused on actual results of the session, & managing your bankroll well for climbing up stakes.

I think aggressive BRM is important because who cares what your win rate is at 2NL, 5NL, 10NL, 50NL etc? In reality you will be able to win enough money most of the time with rake back + whatever your win rate is to move up to the next level before you actually realize your true win rate. Sauce made a video on this where it can take millions of hands before you realize your true win rate, then there are so many variables with game getting tougher, that even over 5,000,000 hands you won't know your true win rate from this year to next year. I encourage you to use aggressive BRM whether it's using 30 bi for the next level and drop down if you lose 10 or using 20 bi and drop down if you lose 5. Just keep managing your money and you will get to a level you want to be at eventually whether it's 500z or 1KNL.

As I read through your blog, I noticed you would mention that short term doesn't matter, but seem to pay some attention to the monthly results, which don't really matter either. That is just a mental mindset that can be a leak and cause unnecessary stress or boost ego a little too high as well.

Chris Primer fellow Rio mindset coach makes some good videos about focusing on one thing, similar to how you mentioned J. Tendler and having a task for the daily session. You are taking a lot of the right steps from what I read in your post, but I wouldn't stress yourself out with taking on too much at once. This is where Chris Primer a long with Eliot Roe say a lot of people fail. They are trying to learn GTO and study X amount hours, play Y amount of hours, sleep 8 hours, eat healthy, exercise, madidate, read books, spend time with family and friends, etc. You are going to overload your plate so much that eventually you are going to fail. However, when you fall, make sure you fall forward so you can see what you are landing on.

Really excellent blog overall so far. Would encourage you to possible share some strategy or some of your biggest pots that you have questions about. Also in the beginning you mentioned eating healthy and exercise, but no other updates after that. Not to add too much to your plate, but having strength goals, fat loss goals, no fast food etc goals can be pretty motivating as well. The energy you get from running or working out in the morning can really help with your session focus.

Jnandez I forgot what podcast it was, but he talked about how he loved the game and was playing like 80 hours a week and streaming some times over 100 hours a week etc Smoking cigarettes' during his sessions, where one day he just broke down and started crying because of how much pressure he was putting on himself. Thought you might Enjoy some of these podcast since you are focused a lot on mental game and long run performance for years to come.

Best of luck! Also David Goggins on youtube can help if your into intense motivation.

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

RunItTw1ce

Thanks a lot man! Nice to have such a feedback from player who's been playing poker for a long time and is taking the game very seriously:)

Glad that you like it so far and really appreciate your feedback/thoughts.
About checking monthly results.. I think you're right that even monthly period is far from long term perspective. I'd say I was a bit biased by playing full ring and basically stakes where after a month I could confidently say that I'm a winning player.
This doesn't seem to be true even at nl50z in my case :D and yeah, it's really important to be careful, because it might be really self-destructive if I am operating in my paradigm in which a month is enough sample size (just because I'll definitely experience with losing months as well..)

Regarding the diet and exercise, I'll make a post soon as well as posting some big tough spots!

MatoStar 4 years, 4 months ago

9. EXERCISE, (nutrition)

Hey grinders,

Today I would like to talk how I deal with exercising + (nutrition) some relations with my poker mindset and overall happiness.

First and foremost I would start at the end. How do you wanna look like at the end of your life? Are you okay with being fat, having diabetes, often feel sick, and at the end probably even live a shorter more complicated life? On the other hand, you might be fit even at your 50,60yrs, feeling much younger, less often being sick and essentially decreasing the odds of getting cancer! Again, all its our choice.

Since my vision is to inspire others, my choice is pretty obvious. Definitely not looking how difficult is going to be, I meant when we are talking about such important things as nutrition, exercise, sleeping there should be no excuse such as difficulty.

Soo, this is theory, but how does it actually look like in practice?
I found really important to have strong habits. For instance every single morning after I wake up, I do exercise, after that I have a cold shower followed by meditation and writing down few things I am grateful for and things I would like to do today (intentions).
This is actually something I highly recommend to everyone (not only poker players). Just wake up, do some exercise (it might be just few minutes) and then have a cold shower. I promise, with this "hack" you will safe a ton of time, because the vast majority of people are sort of tired in the morning and sometimes it takes even hours to totally wake up. Cold shower will do it for you immediately:)

Regarding specific exercise, I do some sort of mix, mostly videos by Pamela Reif (currently 30min a day) mixing with weights. She has got also weekly plans which are nice for keeping yourself accountable.

Another hack, which I have started to use recently is to create a group with our really good friends. Then write there everyday what you have done today and what you want to exercise tomorrow. It works pretty well, because its much easier to lie to ourselves, our minds are really great in doing that haha:) whereas lying to others its not that easy (esp. when we are talking about stuff like why dont you exercise today? you really didnt have free 45minutes from 1440 minutes which the day is offering us?)

That was about morning routine though, but we also shouldnt forget about evenings. For me, really works to do some sort of self-reflection, what I did wrong, how can I learn from that (this is in general, not even poker stuff) and what are my intentions for tomorrow? After that I try to find few things I am grateful for, to boost my humility and not let my ego to run over me. Overall, trying not to use my devices at least one hour before I go to sleep.

Why do I regard it as so important? Because if you can master mornings and evenings, the rest would be much easier, trust me. Then you will usually find yourself pretty satisfied at the beginning of the day, but at the end as well.. just imagine how it would be.. so hope you can see the importance right now:)

In the next post, I am gonna write more about the nutrition, some personal experience, when I made the crucial shift and how does it affect my mental game at the tables..

Hope, you find some value in this post!

Will be back soon,
stay safe:)

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 4 months ago

Awesome job! Similar to writing things down you are grateful for each morning, would look back at your month for poker, focus on some of the things you learned. Look at your 10 biggest losing pots and see if you learned enough this month to have that "what was I thinking?" moment. If you can find these spots, the monthly results won't even matter because as you said in your earlier post, focus on learning not results! Always nice to see a graph though or some visuals to keep the journal interesting. ;-)

if you can master mornings and evenings, the rest would be much
easier, trust me.

This is my focus for 2021 as well. Going to try and master just 12 hours each day from 8am to 8pm. I have a break down written out but not finalized yet. Focused on blocks of time periods to get XYZ done. It's not broken down to exact minutes because usually being too perfect or meticulous can lead to failure. This is for daily routine. I'll also write down at least one day a week where I'm leaving my bubble with my gf to go out and do something such as a hike, new food place, some type of activity.

Lastly after this 12 hour time period will mix in 3-4 days a week where I'm doing weights at night and not just watching tv. Switching from upper body one day, next session lower body (Legs), then back to upper body. Gives body enough time to recover as upper or lower body will get 2 days rest.

Keep up the great work! Definitely on the right track! Look forward to a post where you plan out 2021.

Dan Self 4 years, 3 months ago

When it comes to fitness, it's good to hear that you're mixing weights in with the video programs. IMO, general population don't place anywhere near enough emphasis on strength training in their fitness programs even as you get older - a strong body is a healthy body. I haven't seen any of Pamela's programs, but as long as there is a way to continually progress your training such that you're consistently getting stronger, it's hard to go wrong.

HeavyMask 4 years, 4 months ago

Another hack, which I have started to use recently is to create a group with our really good friends. Then write there everyday what you have done today and what you want to exercise tomorrow. It works pretty well, because its much easier to lie to ourselves, our minds are really great in doing that haha:) whereas lying to others its not that easy

It would be awesome to do something similar here to make us accountable.
We can make a shared Google sheet and fil it every day

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 4 months ago

Eliot had something like this with building consistency. Write down what you did each day, but if you miss a day, have to start over again. Kinda like putting a red X on a calendar, don't break the chain! Goal was 21 days I believe, maybe 30, but enough to build a habit.

Something I used to do with my friends were prop bets. Have our monthly goals and wager $100-$500 against each other on completing X amount of volume, exercise 30 minutes a day for at least 15 days, no fast food for a month, no soda \ energy drinks, etc etc. If you were not self motivated to do it on your own, losing $500 because you drank a soda makes you think twice before buying it.

MatoStar 4 years, 3 months ago

10. EXTREME HAPPINESS

Hey guys! Today I would like to share with you my yesterday experience and feelings which I had at the end of the day..

First of all, I would say that I am talking about the best day in my month so far! Trust me, when I say this, its really wow, since I am enjoying most of my days a lot:))

Okay, to get to the point, besides of exercising and cold shower, I also had a voice call with my poker study buddies which was nice.. but still nothing that special. In the afternoon, I was swimming in the cold water with my friend and yeah 4 degrees are 4 degrees :D its tough and my mood after that was even better.. but again, I have days like this 2 times a week or so. However, after that I had a 90 minutes presentation (in a non-profit organization where I volunteer) for couple of students from secondary school (who are participating in that organization). Most of them were like 15-16yrs old and my topic was how to crush the day? Basically I was talking about some tips from my experience (such as morning/evening routine; how much time do we spend on devices/benefits of being outside and just walking; trying and trying things, only this way we can figure out if it really works for us; simplifications for the life.. dont overcomplicate, start with one thing/habit and slowly adding another one... )
Just a little bit of background, we knew each other, since I was the camp animator few times like a year ago where most of them were.
Anyway, its been really nice talking to younger guys some stuff from my own experience how to feel better at the end of the day, but also asking them about their opinion.. However, what was the 2 major things which stand out in my mind the most:
1. When at the end I asked whats the one thing they took from today workshop and they said something which really seemed like I could possibly help them to feel better at the end of the day to some manner.
2. After the workshop I said if anyone wants to stay and talk to me about whatever they want, I am here for you. We ended up talking like 2.5hours more. (sometimes about the topic, but for the most part just random funky talks)

I also received two feedbacks (without asking for that) when guys were saying it was really perfect, finally some workshop where someone was talking from his own experience, I am really motivated right now to start practice at least some of your mentioned tips...

I have to admit, that after almost 2hours of presenting and then 2.5h of just talking I was really tired..(+cold water+studying..) but I was so so happy.. I went to bed and falling to sleep with thoughts in mind that today I possibly helped someone to be more satisfied at the end of the day.. and trust me, its something indescribable. (at least for me)

Okay, thats all from the yesterday.. I mean, I live for those days.. do whatever makes you happy, life is too short, so exploit every single opportunity, its more than worth it!!:))

Sorry, for not following up, I promised the next post is gonna be about nutrition, but I really felt like I wanna share this experience with you.
Next post will be about nutrition for 100% :D

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 3 months ago

Hope to see some pictures! Watched a video on what a boxer eats evey day a little earlier. Glad you are finding happiness outside of poker. Loneliness probably biggest draw back of playing poker professionally. Always great to help the world around you.

MatoStar 4 years, 3 months ago

11. NUTRITION AND WHY AM I A VEGETARIAN?

Hey everyone, hope you're all enjoying Christmas times!

Today I'd like to look at why I think nutrition is a crucial aspect in poker, but also in our life.

My short story: I was like most kids loved sugar, always when I had a choice, I opted for a sweat meal. My breakfast was either cereals with milk or toast with chocolate.. that was all about it lot of similar low quality food with so much sugar in there.. not talking about sweetened drinks such as fanta, Coca-Cola etc etc.
However, when I was 16yrs old (so it's 4yrs from now), good friend of mine told me that people are eating so many unhealthy stuff and why is it so dangerous.. he was talking like 2 hours and it really resonated with me, you know it was like the AHA moment for me. I'm usually the type of person who is capable of making huge changes in a really short period of time. So I almost immediately started to eat less sugar and more healthy stuff, in addition I spend 1h+ a day on reading articles about the nutrition, what's healthy and what's really dangerous for our body for a 3 months in a row. Yeah, I was really obsessed about it at that time.
Sometimes I wish I would have known this before.. but don't get me wrong, this is a bit biased thinking, because everyone is ready at different stage of their lives to accept that they're all doing it wrong (it also depends on things we're talking about). I can imagine myself in my 12-13s to just laugh if someone would like to teach me about nutrition and why eating so much sugar isn't healthy.. Sure, it also depends how is it being told, but still you have to be mentally prepared and usually it can not be done if we aren't ready to accept at any stage of our life that we might be doing it wrong... Guys, this is so important!

Why I believe that proper nutrition is almost a necessity?
Well, as some of you might know, I really like to start with the end. How do you wanna look like in 10,20,30yrs? You can imagine yourself in a scenario when you just don't care what you eat.. basically by doing that, you're literally increasing the chance of getting cancer (also many other diseases). If someone wants a data proof, I recommend google scholar, I bet you'll find there plenty of them. However, it's not only about increasing the chance of getting almost any disease, it's also about having full energy during the day. Now it comes to the importance related with poker, you really want to be fully energized.. by eating unhealthy stuff (usually those have high glicemic index) you'll get even more energy, however, only for small amount of time. After that your energy level goes down really quickly. In poker words, it means that you might be able to play 1 ssn perfectly (A+ Game) and another ones with really low energy (C Game). I think we could be here for weeks talking about downsides of unhealthy eating... The first step is to be aware of the consequences and from there re-evaluate it on your own

If you're already avoiding junk food and have the knowledge about it, you're probably better than 80% of people (imo even more).
Let's look what does it mean to eat healthy?

This is another broad topic, I'll try to keep it brief and simple. I'd say nowadays, it's been more and more popular (except of U.S.��) many advertisements with bio products, wholegrain etc etc. There are so many resources, so that sometimes it's kinda hard to recognize whom to trust (one time I might also write about this).
To simplify it: the less modified the product is, the more I'm inclined to buy it. That said, always prefer to buy from local sellers as much food as possible. Ideally those with low glycemic index (more wholegrain foods, vegetables, fruits etc), because I really like to have stable energy levels, esp. while I'm playing a session (but even during my study or life besides poker)
Another benefit is that once you start to eat more healthy products, you're inevitably going to feel better as a human. No one can argue until you try it:)

Is that picture actually unhealthy?
Well, even if it might look like an unhealthy conventional breakfast, surprisingly it's not. Because there's white yoghurt with bananas, cacao powder (unsweetened), cinnamon and walnuts.

Btw as I already mentioned at the beginning of this post, I'm a vegetarian! However, it has nothing to do with my healthy lifestyle. It's mainly due to environmental reasons. It's been more than 2 years from a date when I decided to stop eating meat. Actually I'm not a strict vegetarian, so sometimes (like once in 3months) I eat a bit of meat.. Don't get me wrong I still love burgers, steaks.. just environment is a higher priority.

Sorry for such a long post, I was actually trying to keep it brief.. but I could have my own website on this topic.. (who knows maybe one day..)

Anyway, hope you find some value in there

Coming soon: summary of this year + plans for a next year 2021

Stay safe!:)

Actually the picture isnt mine, I stole it from the internet, I really apologize, I made two photos of my meals, one white Yoghurt with bananas, cacao.. and other couscous with pesto, tofu, egg, tomatoes, rocket and olive oil, you can find it here, for some reason I was unable to post it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EJnygAJd-OSmZfPwHbljWNXM-uZvZDixlG8RxGaSs/edit?usp=sharing

Dan Self 4 years, 3 months ago

I definitely agree that trying to eat less processed food in general is better for us, and that high glycemic index foods are terrible for maintaining energy levels. That being said, I'd be interested to see whether those studies showing a correlation between eating processed foods and increased likelihood of disease/future problems are able to attribute those future problems solely to nutritional choices, or if they can also be attributed to poor physical shape as a result of those nutritional choices. IE would fit, in shape people also contract the same health problems despite eating poorly?

IMO, people stress too much over finding the 'correct' diet. Vegans will tell you vegan is the only solution, low-carb people will say low carb is the only way to get in shape etc. At the end of the day, any of these diets only work because they restrict your calories below what's needed to maintain your current weight

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 3 months ago

it can not be done if we aren't ready to accept at any stage of our
life that we might be doing it wrong... Guys, this is so important!

Very important as you said! Also as Dan Self said a lot of these diets have their own merits and almost all of them work short term. Long term I think each diet has it's own issues with decreasing your metabolism being low calorie, increasing your cholesterol with too much fats / protein, too much processed foods with high sugar leading to diabetes etc etc. Moderation is always key and each person is going to be different. Some times these junk foods can be ok when eaten early enough in the day where you are active enough to work them out later, however eating this stuff late at night before bed can be a disaster, speaking from experience. That is why one of my main goals 2021 is not to eat past 8pm to 8am. I find a mid day salad a nice pick me up to boost my energy level.

Good luck on the new year!

MatoStar 4 years, 3 months ago

12. SUMMARY of 2020 + NEW YEAR RESOLUTION

Hey everyone,

Hope you have started the New Year with enough energy, motivation and curiosity!

In this post, I would like to sum up last year 2020, what I have learned, what could I improve and some crucial parts of the year in my life. I will also mention my plans for this year. So let's dive into it:)

First of all, I want to say that I am really grateful for the opportunity to be part of this life (in 2020).
Last year has been really critical for me in terms of my life journey. I graduated from secondary school and was facing a decision whether I wanna continue to study and go to uni or go to work, or just try to make it as a poker pro. Now, you already know that I chose the last option and I am definitely not regretting it. But that wasn't the only life changing thing..

At the beginning of 2020, I met a nice girl... I was investing a lot of time in our relationship as well as in school at that time (was January). You can imagine that my poker volume went drastically down. Few months after, the Corona crisis has started to expand. I was no longer attending school, but we started to have online lessons, basically everything was online. Everything has some merits, in this case, I am happy that I was able to find a ton of value in it and I started to work on my daily plans and time management. At that time I already knew that it would last at least for a few months. I have started to write a diary, where I was writing my intentions for a given day + few things I am grateful for. This was helping me a ton, besides the relationship w my girlfriend and my close friends.

Another positive aspect of the corona situation was that I started to ride a bike on a regular basis. It was really an amazing feeling to ride in such an empty town (and I am living in the capital city right :D). In the meantime, our final exams from school have been cancelled. I was really happy about it at that time, because I have thought that I would need to learn a lot of useless stuff. This happened at the end of April.

Few weeks after that, I went on a bike trip with one of my best friends. We wanted to meet our other very close friend after 2 months. We were aiming for 100km. It should be tough, but great at the same time. However, during our journey, we were in the forest and there was a solid downhill. I was so happy that finally I can relax for a while. You can imagine the feeling once you spot a downhill after like 35km of the ride. Unfortunately, the downhill was so bumpy that I wanted to rather just stop, but my brakes weren't able to make it due to my current speed and bumpy route. So I fell off the bike and eeeeh, it sucked, I made like 3 somersaults and ended up with a broken hand. The biggest downside for me was that I haven't made 100km. We actually met our friend who was forced to take 40km more :D but we have seen each other!:)
Btw luckily me, since I didn't have a helmet and I fell out on my arm.. so it could end up really really worse..

At the end of May (still with a broken hand) I have started to practice walks on a regular basis. This is probably the #1 takeaway from 2020. It is so relaxing, so that I can think about whatever I want and basically change the environment. In addition, it is really healthy (fresh air, movement..)
Besides that I started to have more time for poker, but given the fact that I wasn't playing that much last months and at the end of 2019 I was playing some live poker, I decided to play microstakes to just gain confidence and get in the zone.

However, at the end of July, my relationship with my gf suddenly broke up. It was not my intention.. I don't want to talk much about it, but basically I didn't have a choice.. I was really shocked at that time, because our relationship was absolutely better than the average with really few quarrels. Anyway, it's life and I had to accept it.
Summer cottage with my closest friends (with no alcohol!) helped me a ton to refresh. But the thing which helped me the most was the day after it happened, I wrote like 10 things for which I am grateful for. So that I kind of remembered myself that what I still have and not what I lost This habit I would say is #2 takeaway from 2020 - the dairy of gratitude

Back to poker, I sort of decided to take a break from playing even though I felt okay-ish, I knew its still not 100%, therefore I was mainly studying and being okay with not playing for now. This period lasted for like 2 weeks. After that, I started playing again and it was great. Knowing that I intentionally took a break, boosted my confidence a bit which was really important at that time. I think I hit an upswing which was also great, so that I quickly moved from NL16 to NL25.
That was actually the time when I was deciding to either go to uni or go all-in on poker. Since I have had a feeling inside me, telling me that I am not done yet. I have found it really fulfilling and have seen no reason to not try this gamble :D I mean, I can go to uni next year if I fail or if I wont find it satisfying or for whatever reason. My parents were supporting me in both directions (another thing I am really grateful for:))

In the meantime, I got accepted to a 3year leadership program focused mainly on self-development (Nexteria). I have thought it might be a great way to balance my poker life with learning some soft skills and social interaction. It has started in September and so far I have found a lot of value in there (1.Community, 2. The quality of courses/workshops - made by top speakers/lectors in my country).

Okaay, those were few highlights from 2020. Sometimes I felt like being on a rollercoaster, but overall I have to say that I enjoyed it. In life, everyone has some upswings and downswings. The first step is to recognize where we are currently at, the awareness is really crucial in any aspect of our lives. For life downswings, I found really valuable to have strong habits (such as exercise, cold shower, mediation, fixed bedtime, diary of gratitude, walks..), because if anything happens we don't need to go from zero. Our bottom line is then much higher and I think by constantly pushing this bottom line up and up (slowly adding more and more healthy habits) we can make a great preparation for almost any life changing situation.

New year resolution

For the next year 2021, I would like to set 2 goals/rules

1. Always be on time

WHAT?
Basically on every single meeting (online or offline) arrive on time.

WHY?
Because my personal data shows that on average, I have a delay for like 5minutes. Like in 80%+ meetings I am coming late.

HOW?
I will try to fake the original time of the meeting 10 sooner. So lets say, if the meeting is going to start at 2:30, for me it starts at 2:20. So far, it works pretty well!

2. Morning and Evening routine

WHAT?
Every single morning, the first thing I am gonna do is to smile, open the window and exercise (+ cold shower). In the evening, 1h before I go to sleep, I won't be using any devices anymore. My latest bed time is midnight, so it means that devices are allowed till 11pm.

WHY? Because I found myself last year that if I am not following any kind of rules, its so easy to stay awake late at night and personally, my well being sucks as well. Generally speaking, I was less satisfied when I was falling asleep after midnight.

HOW?
I will set an alarm at 10:45pm to let me know that if I am still on devices, I have got the last 15 minutes.. it's some sort of reminder to not forget.

Alright, that's all for now, I hope it wasn't too boring, if yes, then just let me know, every feedback is more than appreciated
This post was a bit longer than usual, but it's once per year, so I think it's sort of needed.

Anyway, for the next one, it will be more poker-related with one little surprise;)
So stay tuned!

Thanks for reading:)

Dan Self 4 years, 3 months ago

I didn't realise you were so young man! I always thought you were doing a masters course or something - I've realised now that your age is in your first post but I must have missed it... It's really refreshing to see someone who seems really well rounded and wholesome at your age, and with the courage to deviate from the 'normal' path. GL for 2021.

Peteeeeer 4 years, 3 months ago

Just read through your blog and very nice stuff bro! can relate to a ton of things you mentioned and also inspired me to improve on some aspects I was lacking in life.
Also, you mentioned you played a ton of chess in previous years right? Maybe we can schedule a game or two some time :)

MatoStar 4 years, 3 months ago

13. EXTREME WORK ETHIC

Hey everyone,

Today as I promised, the topic is going to be more poker related and definitely shorter than few posts before.

As I already mentioned at 1.INTRODUCTION I am currently on "gap year" so after finishing secondary school, I decided not to go to uni (even though I was accepted on best uni in maths in my country) and try to make it as a poker pro.
That said, when if not during these times, is time to put the hardest work possible? Sometimes I am forgetting that this is the special opportunity where I can go all-in on poker. I doubt that there are going to be many times in my life where I will be able to say the same (no matter the industry).

Currently I switched to gg (after forced to play w aurora..), playing nl50 reg tables (figured that rush and cash on nl50 is even more reg-heavy than nl50z on pokerstars). Anyway will post my results from dec-jan at the end of this month.

To keep myself accountable, for this kind of hard work, its always great to set some goals. So, from this day to the end of the month, I would like to aim for 100 and 50 hours of playing/studying. However, I will be satisfied even w 85 and 35h. But you always want to have big goals, because essentially the achievement is going to be also big:)

Last, but not least, I really dont want to just blindly go ahead and study whatever I feel like atm. Currently working on playing 3b pots OOP as an aggressor (OTF). Recently was working on flop strategy in SRP as an aggressor so should keep in mind that as well.

Anyway, thats all for today, last time I mentioned a little surprise.. unfortunately, its still in process, but stay tuned, should be done in the next post.

Gl, at the tables!

MatoStar 4 years, 2 months ago

14. JOINING A STABLE!?

Hello hello again!

Today as I promised, I'll share with you the little surprise, I was mentioning last time.

In the middle of December, I decided to apply for BrPC (Brazilian Poker Crew). Recently I got accepted so that the contract is on the table.
I still do have some time to think about it, but for the most part I'm really excited and see nothing which would stop me from joining this stable.
There are few major reasons why I think it's a +ev decision:
1. Clear path created by someone who's already been through the process.
2. Great community (Important to notice that BrPC is being here for no more than 2 years, therefore the company is much smaller which can result in closer relationships with each other that can last forever)
3. Successful students, so far I haven't seen losing players after the 18 months period
4. Full staking, you're not gonna play with your own money

If you have any other opinion, feel free to share, it's more than appreciated

Btw since I'm going to join the stable, I probably won't have time for posting to this journal somewhat often.
However, I'd like to share my feelings and thoughts after some time of being there.

Hope you enjoyed it and let's crush the tables!

HeavyMask 4 years, 2 months ago

I think CFP like this one will fast-track your progress so it will be +EV in the long term.
The amount you'll make in a year with them even when you take into account that you'll share profit, will be much more than you would do alone imo.
Also, the sense of going forward with a team, a full bankroll guarantee (no pressure to win basically but only focusing on improving) is outstanding.

I would like to join BrCP or Poker Detox asap, so we might be on the same boat

Best of luck

MatoStar 4 years, 2 months ago

Hello,

So I officially joined BrPC, starting on 1st of February.

What is going to happen with my journal?

Well, I will probably try to keep you guys updated with my feelings after some period as well as share some results (if possible).
So basically I will be trying to share with you how such a journey of a student of BrPC may look like:)

It is gonna be fun.. :D

See ya

MatoStar 4 years, 2 months ago

JannaMaes nice to see that some guys actually read through it:)
Like you found it funny as well :D

To answer your question, I don't want to stop it at all and make next post after the deal.
I'd like to keep you guys updated on a regular basis, with intention to bring up a bit of a personal experience and point of view from someone who's currently experiencing such a deal =)

MatoStar 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey guys!

1st update from BrPC.

So after more than 2 weeks since joining BrPC I have to say that I am really satisfied. Of course, its hard to say something objective after such a short period of time =)

The biggest benefit despite all the amazing and valuable materials I would say is the community, basically the feeling that you are not alone, surrounded by great poker players, this is something which is driving my work ethic a lot. I also never felt like I can ask questions and just get responses by proven winners.

On the other hand I am still not fully realizing that I am going to dedicate following 18 months to hard poker work. However, I am so far really enjoying it, I would say after 3 years of playing poker, this is the first time I found myself playing/studying in a calm state of mind.

I would also like to keep remembering myself the vision of 1M hands. So that if I lose couple of buy ins, it really doesnt matter. Basically dont care about results (at least for now), just maximally focus my intention to what is really important - implementing the blueprint strategy and discovering my biggest leaks as well as mapping the population at nl50z.

Btw 1 lost BI in 1M hands = -0.01bb/100

gazjax69 4 years, 1 month ago

I agree, knowing that you are getting feedback from proven winners must be one the best parts of joining a stable.
If you dont mind me asking, what are you doing to map the population at 50z? This is exactly what I'm trying to do using range wizard. Would be interested to hear your process.

Gl

MatoStar 4 years, 1 month ago

Hi man, I actually saw you at 50z haha

Well, its more like knowing that I am going to play in this pool at least 50k hands and some players may be same as those at 100z. So I am focusing on marking as many players as I can, mostly shortstackers, but also looking for every showdown which seems to be a bit off imo and taking notes, because nobody is playing GTO, so spotting the imbalances of your opponents is crucial almost at any stakes you are playing.
There is also an important phase of creating a counter-strategy against those guys. I also believe that you arent playing nearly close to GTO (as almost any human) so then your overall strategy is exploitative and exploitable at the same time. So just pay attention to the guys who are actually playing back (could be around 15% of the pool)..

I mean its probably not the answer you were looking for.. But since I am in BrPC, I dont need to do as much of a population research, so that I can fully focus on individuals.

gazjax69 4 years, 1 month ago

actually saw you at 50z haha

Get a quick spewy station tag on me. Lol.

Yer its a bit different from what im doing. I'm trying to do an mda on 50z to identify a counter strategy and any obvious exploits. But hopefully be playing 100z before its finished. Ha

MatoStar 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey crushers!

Yesterday I did have a decent upswing (~7bi). Sounds cool, right? Yeah, I wont lie, at first glance, it felt great, amazing you know that feeling for sure.

However, I am actually trying not to give it too much weight, because the amount of emotions involved in such an upswing is similar to the amount while I am on downswing and that can be quite destructive. That said, I want to focus primarily on making good decisions, because thats the only thing I can control. Results arent under my control (at least not the short-term ones). I could have made same decisions in a session and lose or win 2,5,10 buy ins, thats how the variance works.

From that, I want to really pay attention to not give many emotions to a winning/losing session. So my goal for the next post is: trying to spot every single time I feel good/bad during or after the ssn based on results

Cheers

gazjax69 4 years, 1 month ago

Nice results. Yer, short term variance is hard to ignore even when we know that its not significant.

Tried a shout out to a slovakian reg. Wasnt sure if it was you. There was only 2 in the 50z pool and the other was tagged as a fish. Lol

Gl with the journey. Look forward to some updates.

MatoStar 4 years, 1 month ago

15. Building my Identity

Hey my friends!

Today I would like to write a bit about my identity and why only knowing about the variance is not enough in order to avoid emotional-based decisions.

Okay so first of all: Whatever you gonna do in life, if you are not mentally stable in the first place, you wont be able to achieve your personal maximum. In other words, you wont reach your full potential which is quite sick, isnt it?
In poker words: if you know that variance is there and you may experiment long periods of downswing, thats definitely gonna help you, however, the problem is still not over in most cases. The reason being is our ego. This is something super strong and its usually happening in our sub-conscious, so its really hard for us to realize that. Our ego works in a way of satisfactions from demands, so it always wants to reach some achievements, because it thinks that once we get there, we will be satisfied/happy (whatever you call it). Whats actually happening in reality is that, we see the picture created by our ego system and every time we arent moving towards our goal, guess what happens? Our mind (driven by ego) evaluates that as a failure, which will immediately translates to our overall mood and feelings.
So, the main problem is that we are not able to be making only steps which are leading towards our goals. From that, it doesnt really make sense to build anything on our short-term results, because its not under our control. However, this is not enough to avoid tilting and uncontrolled emotional responses.

The ego is still there and if after somewhat longish period of time you havent achieved what you (your ego system) wanted, you will feel miserable. This is something which creates pressure on us in short-term period, because the long-term results are products of the short-term ones. Another problem with this mostly sub-concious egosystem is that once you achieve what you want (crushing micro/low/mid/high stakes, owning a villa, power etc) you will feel satisfied, however, only for limited period of time! Sooner or later, your levels of happiness and satisfaction goes down and you will be in the similar position than you were before. So for instance, you can be working hard 1,2,5,10 years (in pain, depressions but with the vision that one day you will be there) in order to achieve what you really wanted. Afterwards you are there, enjoying the situation for like few days weeks or in rarely cases even months. However, after that, you are almost in a same situation as you were before - your mind (driven by ego) is hungry for another achievement and wont be satisfied/happy unless you will get there.
Hope you see where the problem is coming from, you can actually stop reading here and try to figure it out on your own;)

The biggest issue is how our mind operates. Ofc its a powerful tool, but it has some downsides. Just imagine how often you use your mind on a daily basis. Then think about how often do you actually use it intentionally. This is probably the crucial part why I really recommend to everyone to start to be an observer of your mind. It brings you another dimension where every time your mind will generate some thoughts, ideas.. you wont be that detached to that, because you are observing that at the same time. You will be no longer blindly defending your opinion, just to hold a truth.
My mind sometimes go crazy, create spewy ideas/scenarios, think about the past/future, but once you realize whats going on, you will get rid of all no sense patterns. They wont exist once you raise awareness over them. Based on that, I am always trying to not identify my mind.
That said, I really wanted to build my identity on something which is under my control and at the same time I can also identify with that. I found something which by increasing, I am also boosting all other areas in my life - so I am building my identity on a level of self-awareness.

What does that mean in practice? It usually means that my focus is primarily on how wakeful I actually am. Trying to observe which patterns my mind typically use in annoying situations and dont judge myself for any kind of pattern which I spotted, because that would inevitably means that I am identifying with my mind. Whats really cool about this approach is that, whatever happens its not gonna have any impact on you, because you are just focusing on your self-awareness- thats your job, nothing else:)

Alright, should be more than enough even though, I could imagine writing about this topic for hours.
Hope you get some value out of there!
Appreciate any discussion, comments or suggestions:)

Cheers

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 1 month ago

Okay so first of all: Whatever you gonna do in life, if you are not mentally stable in the first place, you wont be able to achieve your personal maximum. In other words, you wont reach your full potential which is quite sick, isn't it?

You should tell this to David Goggins.

Also I brought up your Journal to some people just yesterday. Was curious how your BrPC is going as HeavyMask pointed out.

HeavyMask 4 years, 1 month ago

You should tell this to David Goggins.

I think books and wonderful stories are just that... outliers.
In most cases who have a very difficult life won't make it on the first page of the paper.
I don't want to downplay characters, but like the lottery, they interview who won, not the other millions who lost.

We should take responsibility for our lives and do the best as we possibly can... but at the same time, we have to be somewhat grounded and realize the wonderful stories we heard aren't the norm

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 1 month ago

David Goggins talks about how people only reach 40% of their potential before giving up. This is what I was referring to. Have to train your mind to go past this 40% to reach your full potential. A lot of people don't have the Will Power unfortunately.

MatoStar 4 years, 1 month ago

Thanks guys, nice to hear that:)

I think tomorrow I can make a brief summarization with my results so far, overall feelings etc.

You should tell this to David Goggins

Haha, I think once I met him, I definitely will! :D

MatoStar 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey everyone

So it's been around 40 days since I joined BrPC.
First of all, it's going to be really subjective and biased, but at the same also honest.
Before diving into that, just wanna say that I'm sort of an exceptional case mainly due to my age (being only 20yrs old, youngest guy there:), because my overall approach even before joining BrPC was to make it as a poker pro (skipped university). So if you see you're basically going All In on poker, such an opportunity like this seems to be kinda amazing.

That said, I joined the BrPC with such a mindset of a player who is really hungry for success, who trust their methodology. This is really important when you're joining any stable, because you'll avoid some self-sabotaging esp. when you're at the table, playing a ssn, it kinda determinates your level of confidence. Not only that, also your overall attitude towards the stable. I think this is specially important when joining BrPC or Poker Detox (cause their style is highly explo).

Time for the first graph, just nl50 on stars:

Yeah, so far so good. Continuing with that mood, I think really big benefit which is sometimes hard to realize is the amount of support you're getting and the feeling that whatever doubts you have, you can ask and get really decent answer. Moreover, the reason why many people stuck, it's not because they're bad, but because the direction they took is not worth it. Well, I can't say that BrPC is the best way, but for now, I feel like when I'm going wrong which esp. at early stage of our poker carriers happen pretty often, I get corrected by the ones whose already been through that cycle. So comparing studies on my own, I feel like at that time, many things I was just trying to figure out on my own and spending too much time in certain areas which weren't really worth it.

Another aspect which I'm not sure you can really find even in other stables is the community.
1. It's Brazilian Crew - maybe you already know, but those guys are so friendly, energetic and funky that it creates a nice place for building good relationships and having a lot of fun (even outside of poker)
2. It's still a small stable - which means that the relationships are more personal and the value of the community is even higher.

Of course, there are some cons as always. So far the biggest one for me is the amount of time which I need to dedicate for poker than I would sometimes like to. This may not be a disadvantage for everyone, but with my habits and interests- enough sleep, exercise, meditation, swimming (in a cold water), family-time, time for myself, for my friends etc and also I'm attending leadership academy program.. sometimes I feel a bit overwhelmed. It's like almost everything I do I perceive as really valuable, but now I have to cut a little bit. However, I should be really careful with cutting those activities and do it in a rational/intentional way.
For instance: if I skip one time a week family dinner, for the next week I need to make sure that I won't skip that again and rather skip a call with my friends or so. Just to always keep some balance between everything I'm gonna do.

At the end, I'd just add that I'm quite happy with writing these words and also that you guys are interested in. Obviously there's no magic pill, so something which works for me doesn't have to work for you and vice versa.
Just a final thought, I really feel like I can hit big in poker (maybe just biased by results or whatever), but given my age and awareness over the pool I'm currently in, I have a vision of becoming one of the best ones in this industry!
Lets continue crushing!

HeavyMask 4 years, 1 month ago

Great update, I wish you the best in your journey ;)

Tell me about your schedule, how much time do you spend on poker in general?
Also, you said it's a small stable, but when you look at your site, there are many photos of the players. Maybe it's just all the players they have and had...

Dan Self 4 years, 1 month ago

Sick results man, glad to hear BRPC is going well. I really like your approach to routines, even though you're spending more time on poker now, it sounds like you're still able to keep some perspective and value the other things in your life

RunItTw1ce 4 years, 1 month ago

before joining BrPC was to make it as a poker pro (skipped university). So if you see you're basically going All In on poker, such an opportunity like this seems to be kinda amazing.

I think Saulo should market his company around this. Not advising skipping college but just in terms of an analogy. The profits BrPC makes from the 18 month stake is like paying for your college tuition and setting up your future career.

As HeavyMask pointed out would also like to see what kind of schedule you are keeping. I assume based on the number of hands and win rate these are regular tables? Are you going to stay focused on regular tables or do you want to play more zoom? I think zoom might help you get a lot of hands in and maybe free up some time for family and other priorities. Pokerstars is four tables max? Would be great if you can avoid zoom and actually play 8-12 regular tables instead.

What is the study routine with BrPC like?
-Community study?
-Individual study?
-Here is the blue print - go study?
-Individual coaching?
What are your grinding hours?
What point in time do you think they will advise you to take shots at 100NL?

Best of luck on your Journey. Off to a great start!

MatoStar 4 years ago

17. ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS

Hey guys, in this post, I am only gonna focus on question posted by you guys above. So lets do it!

Tell me about your schedule, how much time do you spend on poker in general?

Tbh, I am not tracking my study time, but our requirement for reg tables is 35k hands, so it is about 110h since I am currently playing only on stars. Having 2h of coaching a week + my individual study which might be 10h a week, it might be around 160h a month. Like a full-time job with the exception that I do that whenever I want and I am really passionate about it:)
Not having any strict schedule for times I study/play, but for the most part my studies are in the morning and grinding hours are afternoon/evenings simply because games are better. However, its mainly because I am not a strict/schedule person, I really enjoy doing things, because I want, not because I have to and having set times for my activities I love to do attracts the have to paradigm...

Also, you said it's a small stable, but when you look at your site, there are many photos of the players. Maybe it's just all the players they have and had...

HeavyMask Yeah, those players are the ones who are currently in the stable. There are few exceptions of guys who didnt want to be published and the guys who joined recently (incl.myself).

I assume based on the number of hands and win rate these are regular tables?

RunItTw1ce
Well, since it was my first month, I was playing less tables to fully focus on integrating our blueprint strategy correctly. So its 18k zoom and 14k are reg tables.

Are you going to stay focused on regular tables or do you want to play more zoom?

I will probably play what my coaches says is going to be best for me since they are more experienced than I am. Both has some pros and cons.

Pokerstars is four tables max? Would be great if you can avoid zoom
and actually play 8-12 regular tables instead.

Yeah, four table max.. kind of sucks, esp. if I want potentially play some high stakes. Dont have answered this question yet, cause there are some country restrictions going on, so that I can play only at stars or gg atm. But if a situation like this occur, I think I might have enough money to decide to go to other country where I could be able to play more sites.

What is the study routine with BrPC like?
-Community study?
-Individual study?
-Here is the blue print - go study?

We have 2 coachings per week, one live session and one coaching session with like 4 more guys.
Also have channel for streaming/studying, so far I used that few times and I think its really cool, because everyone there wants to improve, get better. Only issue is that some guys are speaking only in portugese, so you know :D
Regarding the blueprint: yeah, from the beginning its more about self-study, but if guys have any questions/doubts, they can ask on our discord server. I would say like first week or so, its about getting familiar with their methodology, but after then its kinda up to you whether you want to study with someone or in your own. You can still ask questions and get responses by other players and our coaches.

-Individual coaching? What are your grinding hours?

I think 1on1 coaching is from tier Elite - 500nl+, but there is also reward called player of the month which is for every Tier and then you get free coaching 1on1 with Saulo or Zinhao.
Grinding hours as I mentioned, are mostly afternoons/evenings and Friday-Sunday. Sometimes I actually wonder whether the poker ev gained by playing those hours is worth it compared to decreasing life ev a little bit. Because no one wants to hang out on Wednesday morning or so :D However, its a bit easier to sacrifice the life ev during the corona crisis I would say.

What point in time do you think they will advise you to take shots at 100NL

:)) Few days ago, I got permission to play nl100! So yeah, really happy about it and hope its just a beginning of this journey!

Lets continue crushing guys!
Cheers

Newson93 4 years ago

Following your Journal from the beginning. Very interesting an motivating read.
Congrets to your BrPC signing, thats huge and well deserved. I will try going for this in
the future as well.
See you at the 100z tables, I´m sure you´re going to crush!
Cheers

MatoStar 4 years ago

Hey crushers!

Just a quick info before the month summary:

I am really happy and grateful at the same time to be in the Tier 2! Its really cool feeling after only 2 months in the team to move up to the next tier :))

I also started to play at nl100 as I mentioned (never playing those stakes online before), so you can imagine a bit of a stress.. however, I am running really hot and its for sure going to be the best month in my life in terms of winnings.

In addition, I feel really great overall, already did one study ssn with my new team mates and it went really nice as well!

However, besides poker I am spending some time on volunteering stuff, so combined with poker and all my other habits sometimes it can get really tough. Anyway, I am really motivated to study, to play basically to live!

So lets continue crushing!

RunItTw1ce 4 years ago

If you achieve X # of hands required for the month but have two sites, can you play on another site with your money or breach of contract?

Congrats on the instant gratification of hard work. While low stakes do have a lot of fish its often the higher stakes that has the whales.

MatoStar 4 years ago

If you achieve X # of hands required for the month but have two sites, can you play on another site with your money or breach of contract?

Hmm, tbh I dont know, but since I play only on stars reg tables, I dont care about that.. cause I play only 4 tables so theres not much room to think about it atm.
However, coaches are doing your DB review, seeing your stats etc.. so I mean its quite valuable to play for them. Additionaly, if you make X thousands money your profit will increase by some %, so thats another incentive for not doing that..
At the end, I would rather just focus on improving my game and become really great player at the end of the contract than just chasing few hundred bucks more...

Congrats on the instant gratification of hard work. While low stakes do have a lot of fish its often the higher stakes that has the whales.

haha, yeah could be true, but dont think that nl10-25 have less fishes or whales.. additionally, at nl100 you can finally see some good regs who are implementing strategies you see solver often uses (more overbets, bigger flop sizings, bluffing w underpairs otr etc..)

MatoStar 4 years ago

MONTHLY UPDATE

Hey guys, another great month in BrPC is over!
I have to say that this month in terms of results was so far the best in my life!

I was feeling great overall, really motivated to study, to grind and to talk to other guys in the team! I started to play mostly evenings from 7pm till midnight (gonna reflect the grinding time at late hours, bc tables are good, but its not that healthy at the same time..)

Brief summary for this month:

  • First time in my life I took a shot at nl100 online!

  • I was moved up to Tier 2!

  • I started to see a tangible improvement in my game and its really amazing feeling!

  • I wasnt studying as much, so gonna dive deeper into certain spots this month as well as do some study ssn with my team mates:)

  • feel so excited in the moment due to the results.. still remembering myself that I am only 20yrs old and this just a beginning of this big journey of becoming one of the best poker player in the world!!

RunItTw1ce 4 years ago

Pretty big heater at almost 18bb/100! Red line is really impressive as well! Another month like this and I'm sure they will ask you to take shots at 200NL. Usually it is just a couple of tweaks in strategy between each level, but can apply roughly the same strategy to each level. I don't think the player pool is going to be that different from 100NL to 200NL. Also you response above to me of playing on another site after completing X volume I think was spot on for long run purposes.

Before and after joining BrPC what do you think the biggest change in your game has been? Do you have any stats you can share for before / after for comparison?

simingforever 4 years ago

Nice results, Matostar! Could you please roughly explain how staking works? Is it like u are gonna play on their accounts or they will send you 10-20BI upfront? How often do u split profit(based on actual profit or EV)?

RunItTw1ce 4 years ago

I'm also curious on some of the details. Not sure how flexible the contracts are, if only cashing out after 18 months? If each it's total profit 50/50 after 18 months? Or as you move up or BR gets big if you are allowed to cash out certain amount every couple months. I know Saulo said he is not going to let his students suffer from not being able to pay bills, so I assume it's some what flexible and based on communication rather than a concrete contract. Also curious what happens if you lack volume for the month, if you are signed for playing 35k hands+ a month, what happens when you only achieve 20k hands? Do you need to make up the 15k hands in the future?

MatoStar 4 years ago

TWITCH STREAMING

Hey guys,

Maybe some of you have noticed, but for the ones that did not, BrPC has started doing twitch streams every Monday (at 9pm). First one was with Saulo and Zinhao reviewing their hands from 25/50, then 500z and 200z live play with other coaches. Its kinda cool since its like a free coaching..
However, for the next Monday, Zinhao is going to talk with BrPC members that moved up this month (incl.myself:)). Soo its going to be a big opportunity where you can directly ask those BrPC members or even Zinhao anything you want! It will be 12/04 (Mon) starting at 9pm CET!

Happy to see you there:)

https://www.twitch.tv/brpokercrew

Btw I am gonna answer your question soon:)

MatoStar 4 years ago

Before and after joining BrPC what do you think the biggest change in your game has been? Do you have any stats you can share for before / after for comparison?
RunItTw1ce

Well, the biggest change is that before I joined BrPC I was just playing a guessing game, didnt really understand from which part of the game tree I am generating ev. Now, I clearly see that those are the hotspots where my ev is coming from.. and in some tough spots I just know that even if I dont know whats the best decision, I dont care, because the ev difference is so tiny.. So I would say that, I am focusing on things which matters.. like the Paret principle...
I was also so pussy and had many misconceptions that the pool is operating in some way.. just based on nothing.. literally, I was playing exploitative poker before seeing the data.

I'm also curious on some of the details. Not sure how flexible the contracts are, if only cashing out after 18 months? If each it's total profit 50/50 after 18 months? Or as you move up or BR gets big if you are allowed to cash out certain amount every couple months. I know Saulo said he is not going to let his students suffer from not being able to pay bills, so I assume it's some what flexible and based on communication rather than a concrete contract. Also curious what happens if you lack volume for the month, if you are signed for playing 35k hands+ a month, what happens when you only achieve 20k hands? Do you need to make up the 15k hands in the future?

Well, its way more flexible.. you have the option to cash out every single month the part of your split, in addition you can ask for some advance money in case you have got some unexpected advances.. which is kinda cool, I mean it actually makes sense from their perspective to be quite open and willing to help even more.. to show that, they arent here only for making money.
Well you can take some days off if you arent able to reach the minimum threshold..
simingforever
You are asked to withdraw all the money you have before you start playing and then they will deposit your account with their money. Basically you are not going to play with our money at any time, only with theirs.

And guys, hope to see at least some of you today!!:))

eatyourveggies 4 years ago

Hey Martin! Nice thread! You look a really dedicated and consistent guy!
Keep the good work!

GL to us on BRPC :D

MatoStar 3 years, 11 months ago

Moving to NL200!

Hey guys!

Few days ago I got a permission to play NL200! I feel really good about it, realizing that 2 months ago I was playing NL50 and less than year ago I was playing basically microstakes!

Unfortunately, I started to feel that at NL200 on stars, its getting more reg-heavy and I will be probably forced to adjust my grinding hours a bit..

Anyway, it has nothing to do with my work ethic, I am ready to work even harder, focusing on spots where most of my ev is generating and go from there!

Monthly graph is coming soon!
Cheers guys:)

MatoStar 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey guys

I think this is super important and I am really gonna try to pay more attention to that.

I am talking about changing my mindset from winning money to getting better at poker (setting a goal, defining steps needed for achieving that goal and then at the end look back and analyze what worked and what did not)
Because I have to admit that recently, I started to put more pressure on myself esp. at times where results werent satisfiable. So from there, I realized that this isnt a healthy perspective, therefore I would really like to try to shift that mindset towards learning.
Every study hour or session played is mainly for the sake of getting better. It doesnt matter how much I won/lost. The key question to ask myself is: "what I have learned?"
Starting to integrate this perspective, knowing its going to take some time, but the upside is almost infinite imo.

Will make a quick reflection of that at the end of the month along with the month summary!

Cheers guys:)

Get inspired also by Daniel N. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXGUL4zWrk4&t=903s
5:00-9:00 he is talking about very similar stuff.

MatoStar 3 years, 11 months ago

Hey friends!:)

This month was again pretty exceptional for me, mainly because I started playing nl200 - stakes I never played before online! I am super excited about it, since I am only 20yrs old and like a year ago, I was basically playing microstakes!

In terms of my performance, this month wasnt as good as it could be esp. at the end of the month when I was kinda chasing hours - hopefully following month I will be able to play on 2 sites (at least).
My study was a bit messy, it wasnt that structured, so for the next month I will try to focus on SBvBTN 3BP PFR OOP, specifically improving my play with value hands. Another aspect which I would like to focus is to improve my theory fundamentals - just putting my hands into gto wizard and go through the biggest ev losses. Lastly, I would like to more focus on "how much ev my hand has"? Basically trying to integrate this into my thinking process, because I think I was neglecting this important part of the game tree..
I was also a bit neglecting some tier studies, so for the next month I would like to do some sweat ssn with my tier mates.

Results wise its been pretty swingy, but I really dont want to pay too much attention to current results. More important is for me to improve my game in mentioned areas and become a better player.

Last but not least, I would like to reschedule my schedule, and start playing mornings 6am-11am CET which means that I will go to sleep at like 9pm and wake up at 5-5:30am. Its going to be pretty challenging, but see a lot of benefit in there so why not to try. After one week, I will look back and see how it goes.

This month

Overall

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 11 months ago

One thing I noticed every time I move up is I level myself into thinking how good regs are at the next level up. Some times I give them too much respect for being capable of bluffing in certain spots, but what I find is the pool at most mid and low stakes underbluffs dramatically compared to what you see in PIO charts. Usually it is a tough learning curve before you realize your +EV bluff catchers are actually -EV because the pool just isn't bluffing enough combos.

Fantastic job moving up! I think it's important to play the same strategy you were on 100NL and not really make any adjustments to the next level up until you actually have data to support your claims.

what Kind of stats are you working with in terms of basic ones vpip/pfr/3bet? cbet F T R? WSD WWSF?

MatoStar 3 years, 11 months ago

RunItTw1ce

One thing I noticed every time I move up is I level myself into thinking how good regs are at the next level up

Yeah, this is exactly what happened to me again and I feel like its pretty affecting my game in certain spots.
However, I think its important to add that the difference is real.. I mean I can clearly see that guys are putting me into more tough spots at nl200 compared to nl100.

Usually it is a tough learning curve before you realize your +EV bluff
catchers are actually -EV because the pool just isn't bluffing enough
combos.

Thanks!! and there is also a fact that certain bluffcatchers are way better than the others (in terms of ev difference) and many times its not that obvious, because we need to figure out his value betting and bluffing range first and then go from there. There is also a bit of leveling if you know that your bluffcatcher blocks gto bluffs, but you expect human to be bluffing some other combos and it can get at pretty funky deep level:)

what Kind of stats are you working with in terms of basic ones
vpip/pfr/3bet? cbet F T R? WSD WWSF?

Well, tbh everyone from the team has got different numbers.. someone likes to play more passive, someone more aggro etc.
I am rather trying to focus on spots where I think the most of my ev is coming from.. and putting my HH into gto wizard and see the biggest ev losses and then try to possibly find some similarities between those so that I know whats really important for me to study

MatoStar 3 years, 11 months ago

Making mistakes while studying

this is something I honestly was pretty avoiding.. usually when I was drilling certain spot and made a blunder, I wanted to skip it and go to the next one asap to prove myself that I can still get it right -- to feel the feeling of satisfaction. I mean, I am not saying I always did it like this, but it used to suck a lot to slow down and explore what leaded me to such a mistake or if there is any correction needed in my thinking process.
However, you can see how unhealthy and destructive that mindset is.
Therefore I will really try to pay attention to the mindset I am currently in. The reason is pretty simple (I guess I mentioned it in some previous posts as well), if I can get conscious about my current mindset, its almost impossible to still stay in the wrong mindset.
Ideally, I would like to achieve a state of mind when I am basically hungry for mistakes. Thanks to mistakes, I am able to get better (if I spot and learn from them), so there is no benefit for me in perceiving it as some sort of weakness. Its just because I want to get an immediate reward, however, I need to remind myself that my identity and satisfaction isnt dependent on immediate rewards or anything like this.

So yeah, this is something I definitely need to work on a bit more especially if I plan to succeed in poker.

I will appreciate any thoughts/advice:)

Cheers

Aquila 3 years, 11 months ago

Hi,

I am not sure if this applies here, but a way to prevent from going over the things that you "can/do know" and work instead on the things that you have difficulties with is by using the spaced repetition approach. You can use a software like Anki for example and create flashcards. It is free on your PC and free if you have an android phone.
"Spaced repetition is an evidence-based learning technique that is usually performed with flashcards. Newly introduced and more difficult flashcards are shown more frequently, while older and less difficult flashcards are shown less frequently in order to exploit the psychological spacing effect. The use of spaced repetition has been proven to increase rate of learning" from Wikipedia.
I used this system for my hunting license and my university degree. It is very helpful in my mind if you don't overload the cards. You can find plenty of instructions on youtube on how to setup ankicards. In general I think it is a great tool to memorize stuff --> preflop ranges, flop x leads to action y. Try to keep it simple. For example: I am memorizing 3bet ranges from different positions right now and I can see that I stumble over the same cards on a daily basis. These cards have too much information (full range from a certain position). For me it is much easier to memorize something like: Which Pocket Pairs do you 3bet 100% from the BTN vs EP for example. This will extend your deck, but going through 50-100 cards a day doesn't take very long. The act of creating might take longer though :)
Since I have no subscription to stuff like GTOwizard or LucidGTO I always wonder if they have this system integrated in their trainers. It is not very effective if you constantly repeat the stuff you know. It will make you go superficially through your deck.
When I practice, I also dislike just saying the answer, but instead prefer to write it down. We are all different but learning only visually is not effective for me.

And if you want to learn a language, there are hundreds of decks available on Anki. So, I think it's great :)
Also, read this, it's a summary of a book that has been recommended here. Peak.
https://www.samuelthomasdavies.com/book-summaries/psychology/peak/

Hope this helps.

MatoStar 3 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, definitely a lot of news!

However, I got the rakeback deal this month from pokerstars. Which is great, but since the first 10 days of this month I was off my devices, grinding it up is my highest priority right now. I will try to make an update this month though. Mainly regarding my performance, results, thoughts on my BrPC journey as well as some mindset and personal stuff.

Lets keep crushing!
See you soon.

gazjax69 3 years, 8 months ago

Update? Interested to hear how its going? What are you doing to learn the content quickly,? How have you found the strategies etc?

MatoStar 3 years, 6 months ago

BIG UPDATE

Yo yo, what's up RIO!

It's been almost 5 months since I posted here. However, I'm back with the update on how my journey in BrPC goes. 

I really feel that I'm much better player than I was before joining the stable. I understand way way more exploitative stuff backed up with a lot of theory knowledge. I also have realized that there are so many spots I have almost no clue about and thats fine as long as I keep constantly working on it. Overall, it's a great feeling when you can clearly see your improvements over period of time. In my case, it's also supported by results which is even better.
Last time, I was writing about taking shots and establishing at nl200, today I can happily share with you my graph from those stakes, but more importantly --- I'm already taking shots at nl500!*

I really like to remind myself that I was just a year ago not beating even nl50. Compared to now, when I'm basically playing against guys like Teunuss (Rio elite coach). So yeah, it's like living my dream and I really hope it's just a beginning of my career. I'll try to do everything what is in my capabilities to crush even nl500 and then jump into the highstakes action.I know I need to study really hard to compete at this high level, however, I'm more motivated than ever before. Let's keep crushing!

NL200

NL500 so far

Overall

HeavyMask 3 years, 6 months ago

A long due update... I'm very happy that you are crushing, but plz update a little bit more often here :)
Best of luck out there

MatoStar 3 years, 5 months ago

My hands vs some GOATs: TUTI88, TheWakko, oSpiel888..

Whats up guys, I am sure you have heard of those guys already.. I mean its pretty cool feeling to play vs those guys.. few months ago I had in mind a paradigm that was basically saying: "guys like this are playing a stakes where they just play super gto or at least at those stakes you have to know a lot of theory so that I need to study hard for a long time to get there and its not achievable yet."
Well, apparently its possible and it doesnt need to take damn long time :D they are all human beings, making mistakes, learning, exploring new stuff etc.

Mistake by TheWakko? - his hand is almost a pure check OTT and solver likes to use overbet only. But if you bet the turn, you have to fire the river.

GTO Play by TUTI! - he knows HU... turn x-raise with 54o is only a thing if you hold a diamond.. for sure Tuti knows that. I should bluff the river mostly, thought that I have more showdown value and underestimated the fact that those xraises with low pairs are also a thing.

oSpiel888 is bluffing me?! - Do not make these calls unless you are playing 500z :D Just joking, you should fold anyway, because its just a -EV call xD On this board, I can get away with calling only Kx and folding the rest. But I really wanted to call:))

Those were probably the biggest names I have played against some hands. But also played few hands against guys like: Dejanlc357, MunEZ_StaRR, Jugi#6, zazano... and yeah its a good feeling to have also guys like this at the table, because not only that I can learn from them, but also I can clearly see that they are not gto machines.. and are making mistakes too:)

Next post where I will review this month incl. my results at nl500 coming soon! I hope in the following days.

Thanks for reading:)

MatoStar 3 years, 5 months ago

OCTOBER REVIEW

So first of all, I have 2 exciting news:
1. I received an award - Player of the Month!
2. I got moved up to Tier Elite!

I am really glad and grateful for it. In tier elite, we are getting lessons from the founders- Already did have few with both of them Saulo and Zinhao and it has been really valuable.

This month as a whole was pretty unique to me, as I was playing mostly the stake I have never been playing before (NL500).
Regarding my game, I would say I mostly play pretty solid game. There were few times where I think I played more tables than I should.. even if the tables were relatively good, I was losing a lot concentration that results in not playing a-game. I imagine playing 1-2 more reg tables than I typically do just because tables are good is okay. However, I need to set this threshold in advance. For the next month, I would like to play max 6 reg tables or 4r + 1z or 2r + 2z.

I also set to myself a new goal - get to highstakes (nl1k) - that means for me couple of things:

  • put a decent sample at nl500 (and try to avoid playing nl200z)
  • get better at technical part - study consistently
  • be mentally/physically prepared - meditation 2times a day, cold shower every morning, lot of sports, healthy eating, reading books, enough socialization with my friends

Last but not least, I observed that sometimes during a session I am focused too much on the outcome/profit instead of the game and my thought process. This is one of the key factors that will determinate my long term journey - my attitude towards poker while I play. As a poker player, I will spend most of my hours just playing. So its almost crucial to focus on the right things while I am playing.
So since part of my life vision is to getting better at whatever I do, poker is no exception. I just love the game with all the aspects. Trying to come up with the highest ev play in every hand is just so exciting as well as experimenting with new ideas and getting real time feedback on it. I can not imagine any other work that would offer me anything similar than this.

That said, I am super grateful for being a poker player and therefore from the next month, I will really try to in every single session focus exclusively on my game - just thinking through every decision and trying to come up with the best possible play. Outcomes are not under my control, so I do not care as long as I focus on playing my best. I also do not care about money for now. Because even if I win/ lose few k$, I will not be a different person.. It will not affect my core values and who am I.. so why should I care then?:)

October results

NL500+

Since joining BrPC - Feb2021

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 5 months ago

Since joining BrPC - Feb2021 is like chip porn looking at this graph. So inspiring! Congratulations on such a big achievement in your journey. Do you think there was a drastic change in your strategy before joining BrPC or just a ton of small tweaks?

MatoStar 3 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for the words man! I really appreciate it!

Do you think there was a drastic change in your strategy before joining BrPC or just a ton of small tweaks?

Not really drastic. I mean before I joined a stable I was consciously trying to play exploitative poker. However, the biggest difference was that unless I saw the black and white data, I was basically guessing based on my perspection of the game how are people deviating and from there making some exploitative plays.
Now I still play exploitative strategies, however, it's actually driven by real data. It all makes way more sense and gives me a ton of confidence in spots where I would have been really unsure if not totally lost.

Satoshi Nakamoto 3 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations! I respect your attitude toward poker so much.

Recently I switched playing zoom to mainly reg tables. And I am bit struggling with session schedule/taking breaks at reg tables. Sit out at reg tables for a break made me think as if I burned money lol.
So could you tell me your session/break schedule if you have a specific one? :)

MatoStar 3 years, 4 months ago

Congratulations! I respect your attitude toward poker so much.

Thank you very much for the words, I really appreciate it:)

So could you tell me your session/break schedule if you have a specific one? :)

Well, that's a very good question. I'm trying to approach in few ways:
1. I have a very good tables with some whales - in this case I play as long as they keep playing and I take a small break every 60-90minutes, but only a small one, so that I won't be kicked off from the tables
2. I have a mediocre tables, with some fishes but not whales: that's close, and it depends how often the option 1 is occuring. In my case finding 4 tables with at least one fish (at nl500) is pretty rare so I'd do almost the same as in the option 1. The only difference is that I'll not be playing forever, and rather play for like 3 hours max.
3. I have very few good tables. In this case it depends how do I feel mentally. If I feel mediocre or worse, I don't mind just quitting all the tables and getting back at a different time. When I feel good, I continue playing as a standard session for 60-90 minutes, but mostly I'll stop and leave all tables at this point.

MatoStar 3 years, 4 months ago

Is joining BrPC worth it?

What's up guys, in this post I'll briefly discuss my whether joining BrPC is worth it or not

As most of you guys might know, I've joined this stable and I've been there for 9 months which is exactly half of the contract.
From what I can say so far, it's been the best decision I could have made. I mean, I obviously don't know how would my journey look like if I wouldn't have joined this stable.. but one thing I know for sure - since I joined this stable I've started to moving up through stakes as fast as I never did before. You can just see that from my graphs. (I'm trying to be totally transparent)

There's nothing to hide here. Yeah, they are keeping ~50% of my profits, but without this investment I wouldn't be playing nl500 right now = I'd earn even less even if I would have kept 100% of my profits (that's my assumption based on my results before joining BrPC)

Also in general, I really like the concept of investing to myself. In poker it's joining a stable or hiring a Coach or buying some videos/softwares.
In other parts, it can be physical health - exercising, healthy eating etc; mental health - regular mediation, walks, good sleep etc.
That's what I'm doing right now, consciously trying to get better, become stronger, more confident.. at whatever I do.

Before I joined the BrPC I had many thoughts in my head thinking about how much money I could be possibly losing if I give someone 50% of my profit . It still sometimes occurs to me - that I think from a very biased perspective - how much money I'll lose at a given moment. But that's only a small part of the equation. I'm totally forgetting about the long term perspective of an investment. However, the need of achieving everything right now is so strong that it many times lead to a -EV decision. Mainly because our ego is really hungry for an immediate reward/satisfaction. That's why it sucks so much when we are on a downswing.. (but that's another topic)

Anyway, I promised to keep this short, so I will stop it here. There's a lot more to write actually - if you are interested in knowing more about some pros/cons on BrPC either ask it here or send me a private message and I'll be glad to answer any questions:)

If you are about to apply to BrPC, it would be great if you could mention my nick (MatoStar) in the reference section, thank you:))

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 4 months ago

Did you have to take a pysch test when joining BrPC? Guy in my discord group was semi joking saying I wouldn't be able to join BrPC because of a psych test or something they have in the interview process. I'm not planning on joining because I don't like the 50% profit for 18 months. I think 6 months makes a lot more sense, but I understand the business model of getting players to higher stakes takes time from 50NL to 500NL etc. Six to Twelve months makes a lot of sense to me.

What is the volume quota each month for regular tables vs zoom totals? I have an issue putting volume in, mostly due to procrastination which stims from not being confident in my strategy. Where if I have a question in my hand such as "How do I play AK vs a cold 4bet in a given formation?" and I dont know if I should call, fold, or 5bet shove then I won't end up playing that day until I figure out the answer. Wanting to play "perfect" and not make mistakes has greatly hurt my volume this year. It has increased my studying a ton! But that hasn't helped my bank account very much. Then as my bankroll grew slowly and I moved up stakes to 200NL, not having confidence in my strategy led to mental game issues forcing me to drop back down. Even thought he variance was standard. So my question is what is the volume quota they have and how do you stay consistent with it? How do you separate the study vs the volume? Hope this question makes sense, it's a pretty major issue of mine. Probably a good issue as most people don't like to study, so it will benefit me long term.

Shaun Pauwels 3 years, 4 months ago

Did you have to take a pysch test when joining BrPC? Guy in my discord group was semi joking saying I wouldn't be able to join BrPC because of a psych test or something they have in the interview process

As far as I know they do have a test yes.

What is the volume quota each month for regular tables vs zoom totals?

It was a calculation that came around ~35.000 hands for regular tables and 50.000 for Zoom.

sauloCosta10 3 years, 4 months ago

Beast! Setting yourself up to join Tirelli and Tomanari with this insane rise from 50nl to 1knl in less than 12 months \o/ Rooting for your continued development mate, and looking forward to meeting you in person next week. LFG!!

Freenachos 3 years, 4 months ago

"How do I play AK vs a cold 4bet in a given formation?" and I dont know if I should call, fold, or 5bet shove then I won't end up playing that day until I figure out the answer. Wanting to play "perfect" and not make mistakes has greatly hurt my volume this year.

I think this is one of the biggest mental game leaks I see in low stakes players these days. Poker is a (hyper complex) game of frequencies and often times in these spots where there is a lot of doubt it's because either option makes sense and is used at some frequency in equilibrium. The guys that are able to surrender to the fact that they are going to make mistakes on one side of the equation and at the same time do consistent, deliberate work to limit the amount of mistakes made to a minimum will rise to the top.

RunItTw1ce 3 years, 4 months ago

Thank You freenachos I was thinking something similar with "Its a game of mistakes, its just who makes the least makes makes the most money." But impossible not to make mistakes. I just think given a hands win rate over time that there might be a clear answer to these questions. Of course you probably need 5,000,000+ hands to even have a big enough sample of facing cold 4bets with AK in different formations to say for sure that 5bet jam is better than folding / calling. Top of my head I would say if Hero raises from Ep/MP and faces a cold 4bet, can safely fold given most pool dynamics. But probably a pure 5 bet jam from CO / BTN. Then certain variables from MP I guess you can mix in some calls vs certain players.

Overall, I was looking at AK because I have had two stretches of 1,000 hands with AK where I broke even or lost money. I don't think it's just "running bad" either with AK. I think there is a major flaw in my strategy with AK. Like for example today I didn't realize AK in a 3BP IP barrels so often on a Q74r-2x board. I thought it would take it's sdv but it barrels aggressively as long as your Kicker suit isn't the same as the Q. Always tweaking my game!

Appreciate the response. For sure in 2022 I'm just going to let mistakes happen as I can't change the past, but try and be more strict on my studying for certain hours and grinding certain hours. Let the results come as they may. Need to stop with my current process of stopping my grind every time I come across a spot I'm unsure of. I literally stopped grinding 4x today to check different spots. I didn't want to keep making the same "mistake" if it was a mistake at all. Turns out they were mistakes that I didn't have to repeat the 2nd half of my grind. Just need to try and learn one thing each day instead of 10 things and by the end of the year I should be pretty happy with my game.

MatoStar 3 years, 2 months ago

Hey guys,

Gonna be doing my first stream on 200z pokerstars in less than an hour on BrPC twitch!!

https://www.twitch.tv/brpokercrew

See ya there:)

MatoStar 3 years ago

HUGE UPDATE#1

Whats up guys! Its been almost 5 months since I made my last update about my journey and I have to say that a lot of big things changed over time.

First, the most important one is that I decided to move from Slovakia to Brazil for 4 months! At the end of November of last year, I went to Brazil for the BSOP series + to meet my friends from BrPC and well, I also managed to find a girlfriend :D Thats basically the main reason why I am there rn:)
It is actually something very big as I never was out of my country for such a long time. Also there are lot of challenging things connected to living alone such as managing your day, building your habits/routine etc. Basically I have got 24 hours a day and need to decide what to do in every hour.

In terms of stakes playing, unfortunately, I have not managed to put a decent sample size at 500 as at the end of last year I was travelling to Brazil and back, then having Christmas holidays + spending some time with my family and in January I was trying spend some time with my friends and already dealing with stuff connected to my trip to Brazil (I went there at the beginning of February).
That said, when I was playing it was mostly the stake I am the most comfortable with - 200z but still I have to say that I am very glad to have such an impressive results there.

These days, I am actually quite established here in Brazil, trying to balance poker life, my own self-development + spending some time on calls with my family and friends as well as being here in Brazil with my gf. Definitely not easy, but I am learning a lot on this journey. Since I already built up pretty good routine, I am trying to play exclusively NL500. My goal is to put there around 100-200k hands with having at least 3bb/100 and from there consider taking a shots at 1k (also depends how much trust Saulo and Zinhao are going to have in me)

I also started to stream on BrPC twitch! So far had 2 streams, and one more is coming next month. I was really enjoying sharing my knowledge to people. (Might consider doing some coachings as well in the near future).

I am gonna keep this update very brief, but you can definitely expect a follow up in the next days/weeks!

Results:

Since joining BrPC Feb2020

NL500,NL600

RunItTw1ce 3 years ago

Do you think the first 50k hands at 500NL was just a learning curve? Last 50k hands are rather consistent after taking what looks like some 20 buy-in swings. These hands are regular tables or zoom mixed in? Looks like a fun journey the last few months for you. Despite being stressful trying manage your time, its not something a lot of people get to experience.

MatoStar 3 years ago

Do you think the first 50k hands at 500NL was just a learning curve?
Last 50k hands are rather consistent after taking what looks like some
20 buy-in swings.

Its impossible to know. Obviously as time goes by I am getting better and probably having higher winrate. On 500, most of them are reg tables. The 500z pool is not worth it to play when my intention is to move to 1k as soon as possible.
But could be the fact that I was playing almost exclusively stars at the beginning - so in order to get more volume I was playing way more against regs only which is for sure having a big impact on my overall winrate as well as increased standard deviation.

Demondoink 3 years ago

nice results! always fun to have another RIO blogger at the tables now that you have moved up :)

MatoStar 3 years ago

BIG NEWS

Whats up guys I just want to share with you 2 amazing news!

  • In BrPC, I was moved up to Tier Deluxe!

  • I started taking shots at 1k!

Gonna post some graphs with my overall thoughts soon:)

MatoStar 3 years ago

Inspired by Demondoink decided to create an IG account just for poker!

I think this way I can get closer to more of you guys and share more of my journey.

I swear, this is just a beginning guys, playing 1k and being 21yrs old, does not feel that bad haha.
Lets see how far we can make it!

Drop me a follow, if you want to be part of this journey;)
Instagram

VegasandtheMirage 3 years ago

This was a great read. Your growth mindset and process-oriented approach is super inspiring, and something to strive toward. Flawless results(!), I'm curious how you're studying?

Followed on Insta. Best of luck at 1k!

Max Lacerda 2 years, 11 months ago

Insane to see your journey here Mato, it's really a guide on how to succeed in poker by making the right choices to give yourself the best chances of succeeding. Update more please =D

MatoStar 2 years, 7 months ago

Heyyyy, I am back with a huge update!!!

My journey in BrPC has come to an end

I already decided on where my next steps will go;)
Gonna post an update very soon!

MatoStar 2 years, 7 months ago

What's up guys

So my BrPC contract has come to an end!

I have so many feelings and thoughts going through my head right now.

I'd like to start with looking back on the situation before I joined BrPC - 18 months ago:
I made a big decision to skip university while most of my school mates went to a one. I decided to take a different approach and try to play one year full-time poker. It was a pretty big risk, but I was having a lot of mental support from my family and friends. At that time I was moving up to nl25, barely making few hundreds euros per month. Few months after I started taking shots at nl50. Shortly after I applied to BrPC and got accepted!

Now, I'd like to happily share where I am after 18 months playing for BrPC.

  • Moved up from Tier 3 to Tier Deluxe
  • Moved up from NL50 to NL1k
  • got way better at understanding theory (never used a solver before I joined)
  • got super stable blueprint of how to maximally exploit recreational players
  • I can quite easily make a living by playing poker

On top of that I travelled to Brazil where I found my girlfriend. These days I'm spending in Brazil around 40% of my time and the rest in Slovakia. All these trips I'm paying by myself. Since I used to live with my parents, it's been also a huge jump to start live and travel independently.

I have to say that all of that wouldn't be possible without being a part of BrPC!!! I am super grateful for being a part of this well prospering team and would definitely recommend to anyone at lower stakes who wants to speed up his poker career and move up in stakes more quick.
This way I would also like to say big thank you to the 2 guys that started almost from scratch 3 years ago and has built something huge that is allowing players struggling at lower stakes make a huge shortcut to mid to highstakes. Thank you so much for doing this hard work sauloCosta10 & zinhao for a little over 3 years from now and for the opportunity to boost my poker career in a way I would not even think of before joining!

What's next?

One story ends, another one starts: By this day I'm leaving BrPC and becoming a player of NachosPoker!!!
It was very far from being an easy decision, but basically I got a very lucrative offer from Patrick Freenachos founder of NachosPoker,
Hungry to get back to tables after a 1 month break. I'm very excited to start annoying regs at 1k again and hopefully pretty soon move up even higher:)

Graph:

18 months in BrPC

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

Moved up from Tier 3 to Tier Deluxe
Moved up from NL50 to NL1k
got way better at understanding theory (never used a solver before I joined)
got super stable blueprint of how to maximally exploit recreational players
I can quite easily make a living by playing poker

What is the incentive to join another CFP after accomplishing everything you have done over the last 18 months? How would you compare the CFP from BrPC, NachosPoker, and BitB?

MatoStar 2 years, 7 months ago

What is the incentive to join another CFP after accomplishing everything you have done over the last 18 months?

Cool question my friend:)

Okay so, the main reason I am joining any CFP is simply that I think its a +EV choice for me. I am not having a bankroll to play comfortably 1k (and maybe not even 500 on multiple sites).

How would you compare the CFP from BrPC, NachosPoker, and BitB?

Honestly, I only have the experience with BrPC. But from what I have heard, BrPC and Nachos are rivals as they are both focusing on MDA and playing exploitative strategies. BitB is rather GTO oriented and does not offer staking - thats why I wasnt interested. Although, in the future I would consider them as well.
Also BitB has been here for the longest time, BrPC exists for 3yrs and a few months and Nachos for around half of that if I recall correctly.
In Nachos you have guys from Europe+States and in BrPC is mostly Brazilians + couple of guys from Europe. So for guys from Brazil is BrPC way better imo. For Europeans might be a good positive that Nachos guys are taking regular trips there and hanging out on big tournaments as well.
All in all, all 3 companies seems to be a really good choice to me. If someone would ask me which one he should go, my answer for now would be BrPC. Simply because I know how great job they are doing and how much value they are offering. After my contract in NachosPoker I might say something else, who knows:)
I am really curious about how it will be!

Will keep you guys updated!

zinhao 2 years, 6 months ago

Honored to work and meet you, my friend. Congratz for your great achievment, already told you about what ure capable to achieve! Good luck in Nachos with Patrick, wish you the best, count on me <3

HodorIsKing 2 years, 6 months ago

I saw that no one has mentioned Poker Detox yet. That's Nick Howard's (former RIO elite coach) CFP and has been around for over 4 years. I don't know how it compares to BrPC and others, except from what I have seen on Twitter etc, PD has a lot more US players than the other CFPs.

zinhao 2 years, 5 months ago

HodorIsKing We are competitors, but i can honestly say that they're still crushing. I have a lot of respect for Nick, Gabe, Patrick and the company overall. They are very high level professionals and honored people.

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

MatoStar i respect the honesty in that answer. i think one of the main issues of getting staked is that you are unable to build up your own roll as you have to give away x% of your winnings. you might have the skill to beat 1k or whatever, but if you don't have the roll to support playing these stakes then it's a bit of an issue.

now obviously you have to work out if potentially improving at a much faster rate, but giving away x% of your winning's is better than playing on your own roll, but perhaps improving more slowly. i am not sure what is better, but as someone who has never been staked i would usually recommend that people try to play by themselves first. then if they reach a plateau and can't seem to get any better or move up, then perhaps it's a good time to go for staking.

people should remember though that sometimes your ego will want you to get staked so you can play higher stakes. lets say someone wants to play 200nl and is currently playing 100nl, if you have to give away 50% of your winnings then it's literally no better to play higher stakes. you would be much better just hiring a decent coach and studying a bunch either by yourself, or with some friends.

ultimately how you perform, and what you achieve in poker is down to you and you only. two people can have the exact same coach(es) and have completely different results. no coach, piece of software etc is going to get you results. they can help you along in your journey, but unless the player is willing to put in the time, effort etc then the results will always be disappointing.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

Unfortunately the coach I learn the most from is not a RIO coach :-( as a lot of RIO coaches talk about "I'm going to raise this combo 25% of the time." But we are not really learning the theory of the entire range or why this combo is raising 25% of the time or how to play different type of draws, TP, lower sets, over pairs, air ball bluffs etc. They seem to bucket each hand class into one bucket but in reality there are many bucks for each hand class driven from IP / OOP / SDV / SPR etc. As I passively watched videos in the past I didn't learn as much as I could because the videos were not really going into the why or just deep dives into one particular hand class. I thought I was understanding as I watched and had great results from all the videos I watched, but only recently found out how much of a fish I still am. This comment is just in regards to have multiple students watch the same coach and having different results. Everyone learns differently and puts the puzzle together in a different manner.

I didn't know bitb didn't stake players. Its just coaching for % of the profits and you use your own bankroll? I also heard something that they want like 100NL or 200NL as the bottom level to join their stable and no one lower than this? I have only heard great things about bitb, but didn't know it wasn't staked. I thought maybe that was just an option based on % of profits they take.

Also didn't Max from BrPC in one of his recent videos say at least for preflop - Turn they are more focused on theory as the exploits at 1kNL or 500NL+ isn't working any more? River is still a very nice street to exploit, but seems more theory based coaching going forward? I also see a lot of coaches using wizard in general, so I have to assume its a lot more theory based everywhere since there is no node locking going on.

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

Also didn't Max from BrPC in one of his recent videos say at least for preflop - Turn they are more focused on theory as the exploits at 1kNL or 500NL+ isn't working any more? River is still a very nice street to exploit, but seems more theory based coaching going forward? I also see a lot of coaches using wizard in general, so I have to assume its a lot more theory based everywhere since there is no node locking going on.

Many exploits still work at highstakes. In fact even guys like Linus, Taisto Janter, Barak Wisbrod, and many others that regularly play 40knl on GG still make deviations from GTO that can be exploited. That being said, early street exploits offer a low reward for an unnecesary amount of risk. State of the games right now is one in which there still are plenty of exploits to be made on flops and turns, but the net gain probably doesn't justify the exposure to counter exploits. You are better off improving getting to the river with a solid range and then applying exploits in a street where pot is big, your opponents range is likely messed up and he wont be able to notice your exploits, let alone counter them effectively.

So yes we focus heavily on the understanding of theory as a means to reduce exploitability on early streets and maximize effectiveness of exploits on the river

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

Demondoink, everytime lol

There is no "give away" in coaching or staking. This ain't charity. Players pay for a service. Such service may be good or bad depending on the company. But its always a comercial transaction where the goal is for both parties to benefit.

Perhaps you don't do it intentionally, but I've seen that phrase repeated many times over the years, not only from you but others as well. And words have meaning. When you phrase it like that you expose your prejudice and bias, as if the player is making a financial move to his detriment.

That isn't at all the case. Paying for a staking deal doesn't make you win less than what you would on your own; it makes you win more, out of your share alone. The whole "cant build your roll on staking" is nonsense. You make more money on staking than without it, so if anything playing on your makes you build your roll slower.

To prove that I know what Im talking about, Im willing to make the following offer to any low to midstakes player reading this thread:

Sign a contract with my company and, if you don't make more money than you would on your own out of your share, we will pay you back our profits until your EV is met.

Example: You are 100nl grinder that makes 30 thousand dollars a year. If you can prove to us that this is your true average EV right now, and if you are successfuly approved in your selection process, then if you end up getting 25k/year on your contract (for example you made 50k on a 50/50 split), we will pay you back 5k.

In other words, its impossible for you to make less money than what you would on your own.

Some people may say "hmm but I what I made recently isnt a perfect indicative of what I would make in the near future on my own. I could improve and move up". Thats not at all a guarantee. People can make less than what they made recently, they may have troubles moving up, all sorts of things can happen. That said, if you are capable of convincing me you would multiply your EV by some factor in the next 18 months (average contract length with my company), I will be pleased to guarantee that multiplier for you as well.

Staking - with the right people - is the best alternative for anyone that is not playing 1k+. Financially and everything else. Its just not even close and I can prove it, its not my personal opinion.

Of course, maybe making more money and improving your knowledge at a much faster rate, connecting with people to leverage motivation and networking, having financial stability in the sense that you can withdraw your roll and use it for something else, having access to psychologists and other forms of support, is still not enough to justify a commitment to some people. Some people just want to be by themselves, not have the obligation to report results, attend to coachings, and other stuff that is required to sign a deal like that. Nothing wrong with that choice.

But it isnt and wont ever be about money

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10 i am not sure exactly what you were reading, but at no point did i say in my post on this thread that 'staking is bad'.

now obviously you have to work out if potentially improving at a much
faster rate, but giving away x% of your winning's is better than
playing on your own roll, but perhaps improving more slowly. i am not
sure what is better

you do actually make a good point about me phrasing it as in 'giving away' x% of your winnings, you are correct that the student is merely paying for a service and thus isn't really giving away anything, but just paying for coaching etc. however, in my mind it still 'giving away' too much because if you hired a good coach there is no way that you would have to spend 50% of your annual profits on that coach. so yes you are correct in this instance, but it's just in my own mind it seems like giving away money because i could improve without paying 50% of my own profits.

let's say, hypothetically that i am a $100nl grinder making $30k per year, like you suggested. now in order to justify paying 50% of my profits to you guys (or another staking site) then i have to make AT LEAST 2x that amount per year to even break even. more realistically probably 2.5-3x that initial amount so that i can see a substantial return on my investment. so basically i have to go from making $30k per year in profit to $75-$90k (pre 50% staking 'rake'). so i have to get 3x better than the previous year, but only get back 50% ROI in return. this is obviously still very good (as we would all like to make 50% more than the previous year) but i also think that even making this much is very unlikely. you would probably need to go from 100nl>500nl in the space of a year and put the bulk of your volume in to the highest stake.

now it might seem glamorous to post about how some guy moved up from 100nl>500nl or 100nl>1knl in the space of a year, but he could have easily made just as much money hiring a coach themselves and grinding 200nl and a little 500nl. remember, 1k for a staked player is 500nl for a regular, un-staked player.

also, let's just say that the $30k profit guy makes the same amount and earns $60k in that first year, that means that they are literally spending $30k per year on coaching. this amounts to just under $600 per week. if you paid this much for private coaching then you could basically get a private session once per week with some of literally the best players in the world. where as, as far as i am aware, the bulk of staked coaching is done in a group setting or with coaches of varying skill degrees for various stakes.

of course this isn't taking in to account the other benefits that you highlighted in being part of a staking site- the community aspect, the psychologist etc, but it's not very difficult to make friends in poker (RIO is a great way to do so) or hire your own psychologist if you really feel like you need one (you can also just read books on mindset or do meditation etc).

now if the $30k guy was to actually make a decent ROI on his investment and make that $90k pre staking rake (so $45k profit) then that means that they are now spending $45k on coaching which is $865 per week. i think for that price you could literally get a coaching session once a week with Linus. so i know what i would rather go for.

if you wanted to do a true comparison you couldn't compare the $30k guy compared to his previous year (as of course he is going to get better with coaching etc) you would need to compare it to a guy who got private coaching, to see what is the better option. he would have to improve at a much slower rate while getting private coaching compared to staking, as he is not spending 50% of their profits come the end of the year.

so if they also improved their profit from $30k>$60k and spent $10k on coaching, then they would retain $50k of the profit instead of just $30k. to put this in to perspective, whilst staking they would need to make $100k profit just to make the same amount.

so improving while getting staked is a given, as you are spending so much on coaching over the duration of a year. what you have to calculate as the student is whether you think that you will make more money at the end of the year by spending 50% of your profits to a staking site, or by spending x% of your profits on a private coach or new poker study software etc. that is up to the student to decide.

look i know you run a staking site, but let's be honest here, you have a vested interest in promoting your site etc and the benefits of staking. i am sure your site is excellent and has improved so many players, that is not in question. however, when you come in here and attempt to turn this in to a BRPC appreciation thread, it comes across as disingenuous. you didn't disprove any of the points that i made in my original comment and instead just tried to talk up the benefits of staking. i do private coaching, but this makes up a tiny fraction of my annual income and it doesn't even bother me if people decide to take up coaching with me or not, as i am a player first. which is why i try to look at this from a logical, financial standpoint first. if you look in to many of the numbers etc that i outlined hypothetically, then it will become clear that you could easily improve as much over the course of the year with good, private coaching and retain more of your profits in the process.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

Lets just change "give away" to "invest" and move forward with the discussion. A lot of the time stables are referred to as a college and you are paying tuition with your profits.

I took a quick peak at the BrPC website besides having a library of past videos, sims, and spread sheets for the player to learn from its one group coaching (<6) and one 1on1 coaching session per week for the lower tier players correct sauloCosta10 ? Just working out some quick math, but if each coaching session is 90 minutes roughly? That is 3 hours a week of coaching from the 1 on1 and group coaching. Contract is 18 months? That is 78 weeks or 234 hours of coaching. If a player ends up making $60,000 during the contract, he is investing $30k towards the company i.e. his / her tuition. Works out to $128/hr. in coaching.

"1x Live Session per week with one of the team coaches"

I assume this is referring to 1 on 1 coaching with one of the coaches? Hopefully this doesn't mean ghosting! LOL

To me it comes down to paying someone like Max or Steve for private coaching vs joining the stable. Not saying those coaches, but a coach similar to their skill level. What would benefit a player more? Coaching rates are around $200-$250/hr? If a player were to take $10,000 and get 40 hours of coaching from someone would they be able to achieve the same results as someone in the stable. That is the argument right?

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

look i know you run a staking site, but let's be honest here, you have a vested interest in promoting your site etc and the benefits of staking. i am sure your site is excellent and has improved so many players, that is not in question. however, when you come in here and attempt to turn this in to a BRPC appreciation thread, it comes across as disingenuous.

First of all, this is literally a thread with my company's name on it :D where a player logged his journey under our methodology and finished it with great success while publicly acknowledging how it wouldnt be possible without us. I can't make this thread more appreciative of my company than it already is.

Second, I will promote my company whenever I find it appropriate, and as long as it doesn't break any rules. Here I judged it was appropriate and Im not breaking any rules.

Third, having interest in promoting my company doesn't make me dishonest. I have my own personal preferences, but I use facts and data to support my claims. We have signed almost 200 contracts with real players over the last 3 years that can show with real results how effective our service is, I dont need to rely on my personal opinion of what is good or bad.

Lastly, If I didn't truly believe in what I do, what kind of miserable person would I be? If I promote what I do is because I genuinely see it as the best alternative for my potential clients.

also, let's just say that the $30k profit guy makes the same amount and earns $60k in that first year, that means that they are literally spending $30k per year on coaching. this amounts to just under $600 per week. if you paid this much for private coaching then you could basically get a private session once per week with some of literally the best players in the world. where as, as far as i am aware, the bulk of staked coaching is done in a group setting or with coaches of varying skill degrees for various stakes.

of course this isn't taking in to account the other benefits that you highlighted in being part of a staking site- the community aspect, the psychologist etc, but it's not very difficult to make friends in poker (RIO is a great way to do so) or hire your own psychologist if you really feel like you need one (you can also just read books on mindset or do meditation etc).

now if the $30k guy was to actually make a decent ROI on his investment and make that $90k pre staking rake (so $45k profit) then that means that they are now spending $45k on coaching which is $865 per week. i think for that price you could literally get a coaching session once a week with Linus. so i know what i would rather go for.

This math doesnt really make sense and again exposes your bias. The player wouldn't have made that amount of money without assistance. This "45k" he is paying in coaching is only possible because he earned it under contract. If he could have made 90k on his own and triple his winnings in one year he wouldn't be signing a staking deal. Therefore, imagining what he could do with those extra 45k without a contract doesn't make any sense, at all - its a fantasy, and an imbalanced fantasy. The ground scenario is that he makes 30k year, thats the assumption. If you want to hypothesize what he would do with those 30k, you are free to do so. But he certainly wouldn't out of nowhere have 45k to spend on private coaching.

You also talk about private coaching as if it is some magical pill players can just go buy off the pharmacy store and solves all their problems. The reality is very far from that. First, your choice of coach is not realistic. Linus wouldnt have any incentive to do private coaching, unless he charges an extremely high hourly, which 99.9% of all players in the world wouldnt buy.

Additionaly, in a private coaching setting, coach makes money by the hour. His financial incentive is to get more and more classes. In coaching for profits, incentives are perfectly aligned - company makes money proportionally to students results. This leads to a much stronger relationship, with maximum incentive to give the best possible service and make student earn as much as possible. Im not saying its not possible to improve thorugh private coaching - I took private coaching in the beginning of my career and I gave private coaching for about 2 years before I started staking players. In fact, my first staking clients were some of my previous private coaching clients. I would be willing to bet a large part of my net worth that less than 10% of them would prefer private coaching.

Obviously you have a very strong opinion about this and I'm not here to try and change your mind. We can agree to disagree over our views and thats it. I just wanted to post a different perspective because I know there are other people reading this thread and I know your line of thinking may be shared by others, as I have witnessed before.

In the end, each individual decides for themselves whatever they think is best

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

I took a quick peak at the BrPC website besides having a library of past videos, sims, and spread sheets for the player to learn from its one group coaching (<6) and one 1on1 coaching session per week for the lower tier players correct sauloCosta10 ? Just working out some quick math, but if each coaching session is 90 minutes roughly? That is 3 hours a week of coaching from the 1 on1 and group coaching. Contract is 18 months? That is 78 weeks or 234 hours of coaching. If a player ends up making $60,000 during the contract, he is investing $30k towards the company i.e. his / her tuition. Works out to $128/hr. in coaching.

If your math was correct - which I dont think it is - it would still be wrong because a player that signs a staking deal is not paying for coaching. Coaching is just one product inside a basket of services provided, which is part of what makes all these comparisons flawed. Staking for example is another service on its own, which can be charged independently of coaching. In fact there are many investors out there that just provide funds and take a share of profits without providing anything else. So even if your math was correct the total sum of money invested in coaching would be much lower because a lot of the investment also covers other parts of the service provided.

Players dont really pay staking deals with money. They are paying it with effort by agreeing to perform over a certain period of time, which is translated to money according to how well the company is at promoting that player's success. It is in that sense that these calculations dont make sense

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10 the thing is that i don't even disagree with staking. like i said in my original comment, i think there is a time and a place for it (especially if you have reached a plateau and are struggling to move up in stakes).

You also talk about private coaching as if it is some magical pill
players can just go buy off the pharmacy store and solves all their
problems.

when i literally said this in my original comment;

no coach, piece of software etc is going to get you results. they can
help you along in your journey, but unless the player is willing to
put in the time, effort etc then the results will always be
disappointing.

i just gave some random hypothetical examples of players earning x or y amount, but by no means am i saying this is solid evidence in terms of my side of the argument. i just wanted to use these examples more so as thought experiments for the casual reader and enable them to (roughly) calculate for themselves whether being staked, getting private coaching or not getting either. ultimately neither of us can decide that for them.

you can't really calculate what your WR will be come the end of a staking deal, or what stakes you will be playing. just the same as you can't calculate what stakes you will be playing come the end of the year playing off your own roll, with our without a coach. your WR can change on a monthly basis, so it's pure speculation to say that you would make more money doing x or y. ultimately there is no way to know what would make you more money unless you could somehow run a bunch of simulations of yourself getting the differing forms of coaching.

you highlight my 'bias' but let's remember that you run a staking site and are on here talking up staking. so let's not pretend that you are indifferent or neutral here either haha. i'm not really sure that i would call my opinions bias, they are simply opinions. i would say i am being biased when i say that Rangers players are better than another teams players (even when i kinda know they aren't) simply because i support them. i am honestly not very invested in this staking vs no staking debate to have the need to bring bias in to the equation. perhaps if i ran a much bigger private coaching business or something then i might feel more emotionally, financially etc invested in to this debate and then, as a result, would let these factors cloud my judgement and create some form of bias in favour of me talking up private coaching.

however, currently that isn't the case and i am just giving my honest perspective on what i think would be best for (most) players (which is to play and study by yourself and with friends until you can't get any better, then seek either private or coaching as part of a staking deal). ideally the player doesn't need either of us.

anyways let's leave it there as it is taking too long to think and then type out these replies. i hope that the grind is going well!

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

you can't really calculate what your WR will be come the end of a staking deal, or what stakes you will be playing. just the same as you can't calculate what stakes you will be playing come the end of the year playing off your own roll, with our without a coach. your WR can change on a monthly basis, so it's pure speculation to say that you would make more money doing x or y. ultimately there is no way to know what would make you more money unless you could somehow run a bunch of simulations of yourself getting the differing forms of coaching.

Although I get the general idea you were trying to convey here, I certainly do not agree that "its pure speculation". Modern era is built around data, all sorts of human behaviour are predictable from analysis of mass data and companies make billions off of such data. The same principles can be applied to this and poker overall. I have data on the profitability of all players that ever signed a contract with my company and so far we have an average multiplier of results of 7. Yes, on average, players that sign a contract accumulate 7 times more profit in 18 months with us than they made in the 18 months prior to signing. Eliminating the outliers from this analysis (there are about a dozen players with double digit multipliers), we get a multiplier of 3 in a very conservative model. So a player that signs with us can consider multiplying their prior results at least by 3 as a very likely scenario. Granted, this is no guarantee and inumerable bad things can happen in the process. But it is certainly not speculation.

I dont have data on private coaching and how much people can improve through it but my many years of experience playing, coaching, getting coached and staking players tell me that, even if someone can 1) find a very good coach and 2) have money to afford lessons - which again, in my opinion is way harder than you seem to believe and make it out to be - multiplying their profits by 3 would be extremely hard in a window of 18 months. To do that at the same stakes requires tripling the winrate immediately and sustaining it for the next 18 months; or move up in stakes immediately and multiply their winrate by a factor of 1.5 and sustain for 18 months; or move up twice in stakes immediately and sustain same winrate for 18 months playing on your own roll. If somehow you think the likelyhood of any of these events happening is significantly higher than 0, its like we are living in different worlds basically.

you highlight my 'bias' but let's remember that you run a staking site and are on here talking up staking. so let's not pretend that you are indifferent or neutral here either haha. i'm not really sure that i would call my opinions bias, they are simply opinions. i would say i am being biased when i say that Rangers players are better than another teams players (even when i kinda know they aren't) simply because i support them. i am honestly not very invested in this staking vs no staking debate to have the need to bring bias in to the equation. perhaps if i ran a much bigger private coaching business or something then i might feel more emotionally, financially etc invested in to this debate and then, as a result, would let these factors cloud my judgement and create some form of bias in favour of me talking up private coaching.

Your bias is exposed when you try hard to come up with arguments to support your view that don't actually hold up. The magical 45k to pay Linus for private coaching sums it up really well. As I said I have my personal views, but I dont need to rely on them. If I would actually go deep on my personal preferences I would likely come up with many reasons to be a lone wolf, as you seem to be. Ive done things by myself since I can remember. But if anyone asks me what is better I will try to provide reasonable arguments with some strong logic or data to back it up, establishing criteria that is most relevant. The financial/results criteria seems to one of great relevance to a lot of people trying to make this decision. With the experience and data I have today, its not even close, and my personal preferences can't change that.

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10 it is pure speculation though because there is no way that you are able to compare the projected win rates of a student if they were to get staked or private coaching. you are able to calculate those projected win rates for your own students (based on the data of previous students) but you can't compare them to anything else as there won't be a large sample size of data for the opposing group of players.

so yes, it would be speculation to say that it is better to pay $30k+ per year for staked coaching instead of $30k+ per year for private coaching. until you had two large enough groups of people (starting off at similar limits, with similar intellect, work ethic etc) then we are basically just guessing as to what is better. i don't know the answer.

like i said, i am sure that your site is one of, if not the best site for staking. however, i don't think that it's necessarily a brag to say that players moved up in stakes over the duration of their years contract. if i was to pay tens of thousands on coaching then i would be pretty pissed off if i didn't improve fairly substantially by the time that the contract came to an end. also, this moving up in stakes thing can be a bit misguided because are you actually moving up in stakes on the same site as you were playing before (so in a similar level of games) or are simply going over to much softer sites where a large skill increase isn't required to move up in stakes fairly rapidly.

if some guy joined while playing $200z on Stars but by the end of the contract was playing $1k on Ignition, then that doesn't even mean that they are any better than before as (from what i have been told) those games are insanely soft and probably not any more difficult than 200z. i am not saying that is what you guys are doing, but it's just an example of how it could be misleading to say that x player moved up from 200nl>1knl as a result of our coaching. when in reality, he could have crushed these games with the skill level that he started out with.

multiplying their profits by 3 would be extremely hard in a window of
18 months.

but the private student doesn't need to multiply their profits by three though, as they are not paying 50% of their winnings to the coach. even if they were to 'only' multiply their profits by 2x over the course of that period, then they would almost certainly end up with more money in their pocket come the end of the year.

now you could argue that future earning's come in to this, and that having the ability to earn more in the upcoming years is of greater benefit than in the medium term (over the course of the year to eighteen months of the contract). so that would be a good argument in favour of staking. even if you were to pay more money on coaching over the course of a year, your skill level as a result would enable you to make more money in the upcoming years.

so like i said, there are pro's and con's to both sides.

Your bias is exposed when you try hard to come up with arguments to
support your view that don't actually hold up. The magical 45k to pay
Linus for private coaching sums it up really well.

they don't hold up because you said that they don't? i was using rough ballpark estimates on what someone would earn per year and then spend on coaching etc. you may have data to prove how your staking site works, but only a fraction of the poker community runs such companies. so that does not invalidate the rest of the poker communities opinions simply because we are unable to pull out a 3x multiplier statistic and then think we have won the argument.

the $45k on coaching example that i was trying to make is a fairly simple one.
player goes from $30k>$90k 'profit' over the course of a year (aligning with your 3x multiplier).
player takes home $45k and spends the other $45k on the coaching to get him to this level.
$45k/52=$865 per week on coaching.
for $865 a week imo you could get coaching with someone similar to Linus' skill level once per week. (at my rates for example it would get you almost 3x sessions per week, though i probably undercharge tbh).

please disprove any of the points that i have made in this last example instead of just calling it 'bias'. this is simply math and is exactly aligned with your 3x multiplier (and original $30k 100nl player income).

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

the $45k on coaching example that i was trying to make is a fairly simple one.
player goes from $30k>$90k 'profit' over the course of a year (aligning with your 3x multiplier).
player takes home $45k and spends the other $45k on the coaching to get him to this level.
$45k/52=$865 per week on coaching.
for $865 a week imo you could get coaching with someone similar to Linus' skill level once per week. (at my rates for example it would get you almost 3x sessions per week, though i probably undercharge tbh).

I dont know how else I can phrase it. Saying that this hypothetical player payed 45k and then saying he could spend it otherwise in private coaching does not make sense. He doesnt have 45k to spend. Such money is acquired under contract, as he progress through the stakes. The trivial calculations you made are correct, they just dont apply to the context. Its like you are trying to answer what is the capital of Poland with a 2+2 = 4 equation. You fixated yourself in an idea that does not reflect the reality of the issue.

The flaw in your thinking is comparing X amount payed under contract to what X amount can accomplish in private coaching. This comparison cannot be made. You can't bring future variable values into the present to make the comparison. The comparison has to be with what the individual can accomplish with the funds he holds right now.

With staking, you win first, only then you pay. With private coaching, you have to pay first, then see if you can manage to win. See the difference?

A 100nl reg that makes 30k a year (45k in 18 months) can chose to join my company. In 18 months he is likely to make at least 135k. He walks out with 67.5k, liquid.

The only relevant question is - can he make more than 67.5k liquid with private coaching? In other words, after paying for coaching he needs to end up with at least 67.5k in his pockets.

But the logic of private coaching is that you pay first, then you may win. Someone at 100nl has limited resources to invest on private coaching. In the deal with my company, you will say "he payed 67.5k in coaching". 67.5k in 18 months is 3.75k per month. No one at 100nl will even have 3.75k per month to spend on private coaching, let alone be willing to do so! Thats 38 buy-ins of their limit! See the problem here now?
There is no way to equalize what you perceive as cost. One cost is realized after acquisition of funds. The other must be realized before any acquisition of funds.

What will happen is that, even if they want to, they will end up spending a very limited amount of money. People have to grow their bankroll and pay for expenses. If a guy makes 2.5k a month at 100nl, which is already quite significant winrate, then at the end of month, if he is extremely financially disciplined and has low real life expenses, he will have 500 hundred dollars to spend in coaching. 500 hundred dollars buys 2 hours of coaching with a midstakes reg. He gets 2 hours of coaching per month and while he does so, his bankroll grows by 0 dollars.

Can you see the issue now? He cant magically book 67.5k worth of private coaching lessons.

You can argue "well he can take it out of his bankroll to pay for lessons". Alright. But then establish how much he can use of it. A 100nl reg certainly doesnt have 67.5k extra lying around in his bankroll. "Oh but if he moves up in stakes after a few lessons he will win more and will be able to invest more", well this right here is what is pure speculation. Will he book 2 lessons and move up in stakes and win immediately? Will he withdraw a third of his roll to pay for 10h of coaching? How will that impact his capacity to endure downswings? How long will it take for him to recover the investment?

I dont think I can make myself more clear than this. It seems like you are purposefully ignoring this major flaw in your line of thinking. You gotta use realistic scenarios to make comparisons, not fabricate one that cannot be materialized in practice.

What I think is very realistic: someone that goes down that route and really want to get coached by a good midstakes player will invest somewhere between 3k and 6k, payed in installments over a period of many months. Something like 10 to 20 hours of coaching. Thats roughly what I saw over the years, amounts I spent myself, amounts I saw poker buddies spending and amounts people of these stakes payed to me to be their coach. If they are desperate to improve, like I once was at some point in my career, they will spend a third to half of their bankroll to get lessons. Even though they might improve, they will be forced to move down for a few months to recover the investment. If they are lucky, they can run well and get back to previous limit quickly. If the coach is very good, and they are doing all the hard work, they will start taking shots at the next stake. Anyone that has taken shots to the next stake with their own bankroll knows how it doesnt happen immediately. A few shots fail, you go back and forth multiple times until you establish a solid winrate in the next limit. Playing on your own and moving up more than 1 stake per year is very difficult. You gotta pay for expenses and double your bankroll to afford the new limit.

So, is it likely that a person in this circumstance will be able to go from 45k to 67.5k (what he would have made liquid on staking) plus whatever they payed in private coaching? Like I said, they might spend 3-6k. So they have to make 70k in order to be indifferent in their decision from a purely financial perspective. Is this player likely to accomplish that in these circumstances? I really dont think so. Can't say for you or anyone else.

Thats it for me, I wasnt even going to reply this last one but felt like you deserved a more detailed explanation on why I said your argument doesnt hold up.

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10

I dont know how else I can phrase it. Saying that this hypothetical
player payed 45k and then saying he could spend it otherwise in
private coaching does not make sense. He doesnt have 45k to spend.
Such money is acquired under contract, as he progress through the
stakes.

okay first of all there is no person that is going to send $45k in one sitting over to a coach. so you don't really need to have that $45k disposable capital to begin with, you can accumulate it over the course of a year and then pay the coach in monthly (or whatever you agree upon) instalments. in my example i didn't specify that the amount would be paid up front, just that it would be paid over the course of a year.

now if you are dealing with a player who has a small bankroll then yes, staking would almost certainly be a better option for them as they simply cannot afford to pay monthly for a coach. which is what i alluded to in my original post when i mentioned how people may have to hop from staking to staking if they are unable to build a roll by themselves. or even if they can build up that roll throughout their contract, they will have to pay for expenses, holidays etc and would struggle to have a big enough roll to take all of their own action come the end of the contract. then you are in a vicious circle where you are playing stakes that you are good enough to beat, but not rolled sufficiently enough to play them by yourself.

if a guy went in to your stable and moved up to $1k in the span of a year or eighteen months, making $100k profit (and thus retaining $50k for themselves) they would end that year with $50k. however, this is not taking in to account their expenses. if they lived very conservatively (cheap rent, little travel etc) perhaps they could retain $20k of that profit and put it towards their own roll. however, a $20k roll is nowhere near enough to play $1k. so either they have to move down, gamble with just 20 buy ins or hop on to the next staking deal where they are spending 50% of their profits again. this vicious circle will continue unless they are extremely frugal with their spending.

in my opinion this could be the single biggest flaw with the staking concept (for the student). come the end of the contract you could easily have the skill level to beat a higher stake, but you don't have the bankroll and thus need to hop in to the next staking deal.

so yes i didn't address the issue of finding the capital to pay for a coach to begin with. however, if you go in to a staking deal with a very small roll yourself then you will encounter the exact same problems, if not larger, further down the line when you come to the end of your contract and want to play a stake that you are substantially under-rolled for.

however, not all people who want coaching or staking (i assume) have a small bankroll. some may have made their money away from poker and have money to invest, others may have made it from different forms of poker such as mtt's or live games. or maybe they have built up a healthy role online but just cannot move past a particular stake. so not all poker players who begin coaching or staking are starting with close to $0, although i am sure that there are plenty (at least in staking) who don't have much of a roll to begin with.

In the deal with my company, you will say "he payed 67.5k in
coaching". 67.5k in 18 months is 3.75k per month. No one at 100nl will
even have 3.75k per month to spend on private coaching, let alone be
willing to do so! Thats 38 buy-ins of their limit! See the problem
here now?

no there are two issues with the comment you just made.

1- the player hiring the private coach does not need to spend $67.5k per in that timespan on coaching because they are not locked in to spending 50% of their profits on a coach. they could spend half, or a third of that amount on coaching if they wished. if i decide to get private coaching i can decide how frequently i want to get that coaching, as i am paying from my own roll. so if that is twice per week, once per week or once every other week it doesn't matter. you can just do whatever works for you instead of being locked in to a contract where you are committed to spending 50% of your profits on coaching.

2- you call the guy a 100nl player, but that is not factoring in the upward trajectory that would come from his coaching. come the end of the year they would be playing higher stakes (and thus be more likely to afford either a higher quality of coach or more frequency coaching sessions). that '100nl player' could easily be playing 500nl+.

He walks out with 67.5k, liquid.

they don't though because they have to pay for expenses etc. it's not as if you now have a $67.5k roll, you have a fraction of that and now cannot afford to play the stakes that you were just playing (unless you started off the staking with a decent sized bankroll already).

You can argue "well he can take it out of his bankroll to pay for
lessons". Alright. But then establish how much he can use of it. A
100nl reg certainly doesnt have 67.5k extra lying around in his
bankroll. "Oh but if he moves up in stakes after a few lessons he will
win more and will be able to invest more", well this right here is
what is pure speculation. Will he book 2 lessons and move up in stakes
and win immediately? Will he withdraw a third of his roll to pay for
10h of coaching? How will that impact his capacity to endure
downswings? How long will it take for him to recover the investment?

like i said you don't have to pay for all of your annual coaching sessions at once, and you certainly don't have to spend 50% of your profits on coaching (that was simply the extreme example i used to show how much you were actually spending per week on coaching when staked). you mention how there is a big flaw in my thinking/logic about where this money is coming from, yet at no point do you address the glaring issue with staking which is;

where does your bankroll come from after you have finished your contract? the fact that MatoStar, despite clearly being an excellent player, had to move from one staking site to another merely enforces my point. you simply do not end the year with enough capital to be able to afford to play the stakes that you were just playing.

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

Damn your posting work ethic is sick, I will give you that

if a guy went in to your stable and moved up to $1k in the span of a year or eighteen months, making $100k profit (and thus retaining $50k for themselves) they would end that year with $50k. however, this is not taking in to account their expenses. if they lived very conservatively (cheap rent, little travel etc) perhaps they could retain $20k of that profit and put it towards their own roll.

This goes without saying because the exact same thing happens without staking. The guy's expenses are the same, with or without staking. Bringing this up is essentially pointless. If the guy makes 50k without staking, his bankroll doesnt grow more than the 20k you hypothesized. If net results are the same, growth of bankroll is the same. And since the beginning I argued that net results are not the same, its higher with staking. Hence bankroll grows faster with staking, not slower.

okay first of all there is no person that is going to send $45k in one sitting over to a coach. so you don't really need to have that $45k disposable capital to begin with, you can accumulate it over the course of a year and then pay the coach in monthly (or whatever you agree upon) instalments. in my example i didn't specify that the amount would be paid up front, just that it would be paid over the course of a year.

the player hiring the private coach does not need to spend $67.5k per in that timespan on coaching because they are not locked in to spending 50% of their profits on a coach. they could spend half, or a third of that amount on coaching if they wished. if i decide to get private coaching i can decide how frequently i want to get that coaching, as i am paying from my own roll. so if that is twice per week, once per week or once every other week it doesn't matter. you can just do whatever works for you instead of being locked in to a contract where you are committed to spending 50% of your profits on coaching.

You tried to equate costs multiple times to make your argument, now you say he can spend less. Which one is it? Regardless, that was exactly my point. No 100nl player will ever pay 45k in private coaching, thats an absurd hypothesis. He most certainly wouldnt chose to do so even if he was able to afford it, which is absolutely not the case, ever. Realistic scenario is around 3k-6k a year as I mentioned. Thefore what you have is a scenario where he either pays for coaching out of pocket, which will give him maybe 20 hours of coaching if he has the money, or chose to go with staking and get hundreds of hours of coaching while he only pays when he wins. Its completely disproportional and cant be any other way.

you mention how there is a big flaw in my thinking/logic about where this money is coming from, yet at no point do you address the glaring issue with staking which is;
where does your bankroll come from after you have finished your contract? the fact that MatoStar, despite clearly being an excellent player, had to move from one staking site to another merely enforces my point. you simply do not end the year with enough capital to be able to afford to play the stakes that you were just playing.

This is where we can end this convo, honestly I dont have the energy. Sorry about that but I cant continue replying.

Somehow you got into your head that this is an issue. Which, im sorry, again exposes a bias. Or at least some form of unsconscious stubborness. Yes, after contract is over, there will be a gap between the player's knowledge and capacity to the stakes he can play with his own roll. But guess what - this is a non issue. This is absolutely not an issue, and the reason why is because the alternative is certainly worse. If the alternative is to have a smaller bankroll - which is my assumption since the beginning -> player will accumulate less capital on his on. His expenses are the same, therefore his bankroll is smaller at the end of 18 months without staking - with less skill, then certainly having more skill with a bigger bankroll is better, regardless of the fact that he wont be able to play the limits he was just playing under the stake.

The only thing happening here is that skill is increasing at a rate that bankroll cannot keep up. Saying that such phenomena is actually a bad thing is absurd, in my view. The alternative is to grow both skill and bankroll at a slower rate, maintaning the gap low or non existant. But this is not a better outcome for the player, and it should be straight forward to realize that.

Signing a subsequent staking deal is also a non issue at all. It will be more profitable for this hypothetical player to be staked and play the limits he is capable of beating, even if he pays a percentage of profits, than the alternative of playing much lower with his own money and keeping all of it. And keep in mind that for someone like Martin that already plays 1knl, he will get a much better deal than the 50/50 we have been using as example for a 100nl player.

Somehow you got into your head that bankroll grows slower with staking, and this is simply not true. Its just not, no matter how you want to phrase it. The gap between skill and bankroll does grow faster with staking, but this is not a problem at all because the alternative is to acquire less or similar amount of skill in the same period, while most likely acquiring less capital in the same period.

Im pretty sure by now you will try to refute this in some way again, but this just got old. Thank you for the exchange and I apologize for the confrontational tone I can take sometimes. I just have this pattern of behaviour since I can remember, and despite working on this for the past 2 years in therapy, I still have a long way to go lol

Obviously feel free to address my above points, I just dont want to spend more energy with this and dont want to leave you talking to yourself without any closure.

Take care mate

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10 haha yeah i can't be bothered responding to another comment because each reply can easily take 30+ minutes lol.

nice chatting with you and GL on the grind and with the business etc.

radiosick 2 years, 5 months ago

let's say, hypothetically that i am a $100nl grinder making $30k per year, like you suggested. now in order to justify paying 50% of my profits to you guys (or another staking site) then i have to make AT LEAST 2x that amount per year to even break even. more realistically probably 2.5-3x that initial amount so that i can see a substantial return on my investment. so basically i have to go from making $30k per year in profit to $75-$90k (pre 50% staking 'rake'). so i have to get 3x better than the previous year, but only get back 50% ROI in return. this is obviously still very good (as we would all like to make 50% more than the previous year) but i also think that even making this much is very unlikely. you would probably need to go from 100nl>500nl in the space of a year and put the bulk of your volume in to the highest stake.

Demondoink, as a former coach at Poker Detox CFP I am also biased, but here are the main issues I see with your argument:

1 - You are only considering immediate ROI, and not future ROI. In your model, if a coach shows a player how to double his income, the player only breaks even because he has to give away 50% of his profits on contract. But what about after the contract? The player gets to take those skills with him and continue earning more money than he would have been able to without the coaching. Investments in coaching early on in a player's career can really add up over the long term even if they are not immediately +EV.

2 - You are not considering the time the student saves by outsourcing his study to a coach. This can mean a significant improvement to a poker player's quality of life.

3 - You are not considering the financial convenience of being on a stake. Rather than having to keep his whole bankroll liquid, a player on stake can use the backer's funds and do whatever he pleases with his own money. Conversely, the coach takes on a substantial risk and opportunity cost by giving that money to the student, so of course that has to be factored into the price of the staking agreement in addition to the value of the coaching.

An immediate +50% ROI like the one you are looking for is a ridiculously good deal, especially considering the student takes on no risk and invests no money up front. I mean, that is a ludicrously good deal. A person would be crazy to not take a deal like that IMO, assuming he had a way of knowing that was the actual ROI. But poker coaching is grossly underpriced, so I am not surprised that's your bare minimum expectation.

Like sauloCosta10 said, the quality of coaching in poker stables varies a lot, and I also do not think staking deals are a good idea for everyone. But I've personally taken a number of players from low stakes to high stakes within 1-2 years, and a lot of those guys failed to move up for years before they joined Poker Detox CFP. I believe these players feel they got an extremely good deal.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

I wouldn't want a coach to be so emotional and argumentative about every little detail of random examples being given.

Also out of the 200 players you signed, 20 of them as you said 10%, would prefer private coaching is still a pretty high amount of people. Then there are other players switching stables from yours to Nachos. What does that mean?

Lastly going from $30k or $90k that you guys are using as an example is also influenced by part of the contract. A lot of players not under contract are going to struggle with volume. I am not seeing players actually 3x their WR in BB/100 on any of these stables, but rather 3x their income based on grinding 30-40 hours a week instead of 10-20 hours a week.

Lastly I think wizard is still a fairly new product to people. I think coaching or stables in general are going to struggle going forward when someone can pay a small portion of that for wizard to train and get better.

If someone has a bankroll to play under and doesn't need the staking, but only needs coaching. Does the amount of education from the stable actually provide $30k+ worth of knowledge? Maybe more students can come forward and share their experience with the company and put this debate to bed.

I would want to see what level the student was on when they joined? What was their BB/100. What level the student is on when they leave the company and what is their BB/100. What was their annual income before and after. Just provide the data and there wouldn't be any arguments. From an outside perspective people are only seeing graphs and results from 5 students or so out of 200.

sauloCosta10 2 years, 7 months ago

I wouldn't want a coach to be so emotional and argumentative about every little detail of random examples being given.

Well not sure what to say about that xD Any human being is emotional, in fact emotions drive our behaviour more than anything. Your emotions toward me lead you to write this sentence. About the argumentative part - yes I am very argumentative. To hold a conversation two people need to talk about the same thing, otherwise there is no point. And hopefully each party can provide reasonable arguments rather than random projections, otherwise there is also no point. But I get how it may be annoying...well debates are rarely very pleasant anyway. It would be amazing if antagonic views could engage in pleasant conversations and always reach a peaceful middle ground, but I dont see it happening very often. Debates that dont end up being stressful are usually the ones what end very quickly because one party decided it wasn't worth to continue.

Also out of the 200 players you signed, 20 of them as you said 10%, would prefer private coaching is still a pretty high amount of people. Then there are other players switching stables from yours to Nachos. What does that mean?

If you can read it again, I never said 10% prefer private coaching. What I said is that I would be willing to bet that less than that amount would prefer it. I just picked a small enough number to make a point. There are certain people that because of their personality they can't extract much from a deal like that. Someone that lacks ambition to move up for example is probably better off just paying for a few lessons of private coaching and getting a solid winrate at their current limit. As far as Martin going to Nachos, well also not much to say. He pondered the financial value of each opportunity and decided to go with them. Nothing wrong with that. Its a free market and sometimes you can increase your volume of sales by reducing your profit margin. Thats what Nachos did and worked for him.

Lastly going from $30k or $90k that you guys are using as an example is also influenced by part of the contract. A lot of players not under contract are going to struggle with volume. I am not seeing players actually 3x their WR in BB/100 on any of these stables, but rather 3x their income based on grinding 30-40 hours a week instead of 10-20 hours a week

Dont get the point of this either. There are lots of things that contribute to more profit. If a player under contract learns to sustain more volume because he is required to meet a certain target, thats great for their careers and their pockets. Everyone wins.

If someone has a bankroll to play under and doesn't need the staking, but only needs coaching. Does the amount of education from the stable actually provide $30k+ worth of knowledge? Maybe more students can come forward and share their experience with the company and put this debate to bed.

Not sure why you are fixated on the 30k. Again it doesnt make sense to workout the cost backwards. The only thing that matters is the amount of liquid profit in the player's pockets. Also, if someone doesnt want staking, percentages are obviously adjusted. I cant charge the same for a staking deal and a non staking deal. Deals without staking are more favorable to the player, as they should be (although some companies dont make this adjustment, which essentially means an insane charge for the service provided, in my opinon at least)

I would want to see what level the student was on when they joined? What was their BB/100. What level the student is on when they leave the company and what is their BB/100. What was their annual income before and after. Just provide the data and there wouldn't be any arguments. From an outside perspective people are only seeing graphs and results from 5 students or so out of 200

Well I dont think the issue here has ever been our capacity to produce results. If I have to show you an excel print for you to trust my service, then you probably wont trust it after you see it. That said, our website contains graphs and photos of many of our clients. It gets updated every 3 months with the most recent sample. If you go there you will certainly find more than 5 people. But you wont find 200 because terminated contracts are taken off and many people dont agree to have their results exposed. Also our site doesnt contain the micro stakes division results, and that division accounts for about 40 contracts.

emsterdad 2 years, 7 months ago

sauloCosta10 Don't focus to much on RunitTwice. Once he gets into it, he can't let go (emotionally) and he will take all his time he could be playing and making money argueing to the point where he in the end will play the victim :)

Seems like you have a good business running where some are happy to take on the journey. Focus on these people instead of the nay-sayers.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

emsterdad

Once again the troll talks and contributes nothing. Maybe you can join BrPC and then we might be able to have an intelligent conversation. I'm not going to have another back and forth with a 4NL player though.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

A 100nl reg that makes 30k a year (45k in 18 months) can chose to join my company. In 18 months he is likely to make at least 135k. He walks out with 67.5k, liquid.

Receipts please! sauloCosta10

Don't get me wrong either. I think staking companies are good for those who haven't been able to be resourceful or have a break through themselves.

TheLove_Below 2 years, 7 months ago

sadly emsterdad you have all the time in the world to write on this forum, since you have stagnated at 25nl for last 12 yrs. You wont be making any money anytime soon.
On to the topic, I do think runittwice is making some valid points on the cost of the coaching and whether or not its worth it. Another point that I dont understand about CFP's unless the coaches are en route to retiring, is why would they sacrifice the EV and time to coach others when they can move up and grind the highest stakes for way higher profit? We've never seen Kanu make any courses during his prime, but only released his content at the tail end of his career, just to milk a few bucks more. Furthermore, I am convinced that in order to remain competent at the highest level, full dedication is required for players( which is essentially the coaches of CFP). Demondoink for one is perfect example of someone who ive followed throughout the years that was a lone wolf and climbs the stakes slowly, and was a testamant that it can be done by oneself. Obviously, Im not here to bash or make any claims of CFP being bad, but just giving my .02 that theres multiple ways to skin a cat.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

why would they sacrifice the EV and time to coach others when they can move up and grind the highest stakes for way higher profit?

I would argue the business as a soft income likely makes more. I think Nacho posted something a while back that the business was on pace to make a million or so their first year? I would have to go back and check his journal. There is also the fact players like Saulo might not actually do a lot of coaching himself. If you look at the tiers and the way the company is set up a lot of the lower stake guys are being coached by Max or Steve Paul. I think Saulo only has to coach the 500NL+ players and I believe on the website it said 1 on 1 coaching is just once a month, but then there is a group coaching like once a week.

I have spoke about CFPs before as many of us have. To my understanding its mostly going to benefit the struggling players who are stuck on 50NL or below or have stagnated at their current level and just need an extra push. If I put myself in a CFP contract my biggest benefit would definitely be having to complete X volume a month and not really be my own boss where I can choose be lazy.

To Saulo's point and he can correct the percentages and break it down further if he chooses. The 50% that is invested in a players future winnings comes from staking, coaching, networking, and products like PIO sims and other charts. A lot of the debate is If a player makes $90K, why is the coaching worth $45k? To better understand Saulo or CFP's in general I would say of the 50%
50% ($22.5k) is based on the stake a lone
40% ($18k) is based on the coaching
10% And the remaining 9.5k is based on the networking and products.

But I do believe $90k would be on the high end of what the avg player actually makes in a stable. Matostar who I assume is one of their more successful students was able to make $80k during these 18 months. Is the $40k for 18 months worth it? Is what people have to ask themselves or can they sacrifice 1.5 years of their life to try and set up a better future themselves? I did look at a lot of the graphs listed on BrPC and most of them are only showing 100k-200k hand samples. I think contracts are usually around 600k hands, so I would like to see larger graph samples to really get a feel of where players are at the end of their journey.

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

TheLove_Below sorry i need to keep this short because i am about to start playing. someone playing high stakes cash probably earns somewhere between $100-200k per year. if you get on to soft sites and play the highest stakes then of course you could make a lot more, but this is just a rough ballpark figure for someone playing 1k,2k etc.

however, if you run a stable and have 50 players who all make $60k per year (and you make half of that for yourself) now you are looking at $1.5m profit. obviously you have to pay your coaches, psychologists etc but even after all of that you are going to make substantially more money than if you were playing, unless you are literally playing the highest stakes like Linus, Berri Sweet etc.

Saulo said that they had 200 students. so assuming that they make $60k per year (or per 18 month contract) then you are now looking at $6m in profit for the staking site, before they pay for all of their staff etc.

so basically staking makes a lot more money than playing ever will (unless you are literally one of the best players in the world). which is why the likes of Saulo, Freenachos etc want to keep this gravy train going and why people like myself are problematic.

RunItTw1ce

I did look at a lot of the graphs listed on BrPC and most of them are
only showing 100k-200k hand samples. I think contracts are usually
around 600k hands, so I would like to see larger graph samples to
really get a feel of where players are at the end of their journey.

yes that's a good point about the sample sizes, but i am sure that regardless of the suspect sample sizes (which may be used to exaggerate a players win rate) they will still be making a lot of money (otherwise these sites wouldn't function).

Is the $40k for 18 months worth it?

i guess it depends if the student had a big enough roll to play poker, or pay for coaching etc, had he not been staked. if you don't have a big enough roll then you aren't even going to be able to sit at the tables, or pay for a coach, to make money.

now if you have a decent roll already that you made from other forms of poker (or saved up from your job etc) you are in a position of power because you can either select and pay for a private coach, spending a smaller fraction of your profits in the process, or simply spend 50% of your profits and join a CFP, which will likely be a more streamlined process, but is taking a much bigger cut of your profits than you would likely ever spend on a private coach. you also won't get caught in a vicious circle this way as you are slowly building your roll up over time, instead of relying on someone else to provide you money and then having no bankroll to play the stakes that you were just grinding for the past year, come the end of your contract.

so imo the main issue is- are you starting with a decent sized bankroll or not?

if not, you are fucked and have to get staked (and end up without a proper roll come the end of the contract).

if yes then you can select either private coaching, or staked coaching. i don't think it will make a huge difference what one you select, though i would argue that if you have the starting capital already and select a good coach then i don't see why you wouldn't retain more capital compared to staking come the end of the year (after all, the coaches on CFP's are simply humans, it's not as if a CFP coach is> than a private coach).

okay that's all i have to say haha. time to play!

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 7 months ago

Demondoink I would honestly be surprised if the avg student is clearing $60k. A lot of the graphs are only around $5k profit and some are actually losing graphs. I could definitely see the stables still making some where around a million on a year though, so I agree the business side is going to make more. Just wanted to put the student WR in perspective. That is why I brought up Matostar as being one of their best students and making around $80k. From my past convos with Saulo a lot of students are only playing 50NL or 100NL, so they won't get very close to $60k. That is why I asked Saulo for Receipts when he said a player making $30k a year can make $135k a year or something. I have only seen 1-2 students from Nacho's stable do anything similar to that.

Demondoink 2 years, 7 months ago

RunItTw1ce yeah that's fair enough. i honestly have no idea what these guys make so i just put out a random number that is achievable for someone playing around 200nl. if you beat that stake for 5bb/100 then you could make $60k with 600k hands. of course not everyone is beating games for 5bb/100 but i think that people who are staked (especially if they are playing zoom) could easily play closer to a million hands per year and then your WR could be lower to make that same amount.

also we should probably leave the discussion there because we have completely derailed MatoStar thread. sorry about that and GL for the rest of the year and beyond! :)

MatoStar 2 years, 6 months ago

Wow, interesting reading guys.
In the meantime I missed 2 flights from Brazil btw :D but fortunately right now I'm already in Slovakia:)

Few things I feel like should be mentioned:

  1. I think that players that never experienced being in a stable, can't precisely evaluate the real value of it.
    Here you were talking about coaching and staking a lot. But for me honestly, one of the biggest things was to see MDA - this one is obviously super hardly measurable, but I'll try to explain a bit:
    Imagine a player like me just taking shots at nl50 and being sort of new in poker that wants to become a pro. At this level I imagine you will have roll to play 100nl at best in most cases. Before I joined a stable, I was putting a lot of energy on:
  2. looking for good poker communities, creating a lot of discord groups for strategies and stuff
  3. finding the best videos to watch/ coach that resonate with me
  4. being really unsure in a lot of game tree nodes
  5. how to manage my roll- divide between investing into coaching/solver/my poker and life roll

Now, I joined a stable and I got all those "issues" solved for me. I was able to spend all the saved energy on something else. Especially the one with blueprint and seeing MDA. It simplifies 95% of my game tree I'd say. I stopped doubting about every spot and it brings way more mental peace to face a river bet and knowing what to do with my bluffcatchers.
In my opinion, seeing the data, knowing how people play and understand the why behind that is just something one can't put value. Another thing that I see super important is the maximum exploits against recreational players. We make out of them the most money and once you know how to maximally exploit them, you are essentially gonna make more money.

Another thing with hiring a private coach:
- you need to spend energy to find a one
- he might not be the best suit so after some time, you might be forced to change him (ofc that might happen in a stable too where you can't go anywhere, but you've got plenty of other materials as well, included 100+ of recorded classes).

There was something mentioned about BrPC not posting 600k hand graphs. As far as I saw, they post every single month on Instagram a graph from all the players showing the net profit. Something about exaggerating: well, every CFP is more incentivized to share results of the best performing players rather than worse. So I think it wouldn't be transparent if those companies only share that. However, once they start to share results of all players combined, I'd say then it becomes very reliable.

About my case: Honestly I made 80k pre-rakeback, I haven't calculated how much it was after though.

I think the topic discussed might not have a simple answer, however, I think there are arguments that might be a bit too biased on both sides.
In my case, I was new at NL50 and in 18 months:

  • I moved up to 1k
  • I made trips to Brazil and become living independently (I'd never made trip to Brazil without them having a team meeting)
  • yes, I found a girlfriend there so I'm a bit biased here haha
  • I found here great friends and made a very nice connections in a poker community
  • I was exposed to all the MDA stuff
  • I was being guided - I wasn't spending times on topics that were too complex or not as important based on coaches opinion
  • it was harder to fall into super anxiety from loneliness and just grinding all day long, without any socialization
  • I got an opportunity to be on twitch streams and popularize myself for potentially doing some private coachings
  • I started to play more hands ( before contract I played like 15k a month or even less)
  • I learned how to study with solvers

Also when people are playing with their life roll, they can't take shots as aggressively which essentially means moving up in stakes a bit slowly.

Another thing that I haven't seen mentioned: almost all CFPs afaik offer also deals without staking. In this case, you can get even more profit once you have the roll.

Also it's way different on what stakes are you playing. If you are already established reg at 1k+, you might expect a contract close to 75 or even 80%. Honestly, I might be more inclined on playing on your own in this case if you have the roll (but then you can get maybe even 85/15 and more classes as you will be one of the best in the stable).
However, the thing is when you are a player that is at NL25-NL50. You haven't turned pro yet, but you aren't that far. In my opinion joining a CFP is gonna make you turn a pro and make your dream come true more often than hiring a private coach (from this post it should be almost clear why)

Anyway guys I'm not anymore part of BrPC and so I'm having close to 0 incentive to promote them in any way. I'm just trying to write down my opinion.
To be honest though, I feel like people who have a very strong opinion to prefer private classes over CFP would be probably just better off sticking to that.

Btw I wasn't mentioning PokerDetox as an initial question from RunitTwice was to compare Biitb, Nachos and BrPC. Although I have some opinion about Detox too:))

ElSquancho 2 years, 6 months ago

Excellent points.

Even though I am already rolled, if there was a HU PLO stable I would snap join just for the community, structure and guidance.

Thx!

Demondoink 2 years, 6 months ago

MatoStar I am glad that you had such a good experience of staking. I think that often people crave that community/workplace like environment in poker as we are usually just stuck playing at home by ourselves, grinding away with maybe only a couple of people to talk to poker about that can relate to our struggles with downswings, moving up etc. so being able to just hop straight in to that environment instead of finding a good coach, making friends independently is going to be much easier and make the whole process more streamlined (and then you have the coaching blueprint etc too which is already laid out).

However, there are also many benefits to doing things 'alone'. I would highlight them but i don't want to derail your thread any further or attempt to take away from your positive experiences in any way.

I just think that BOTH strategies are completely viable. If you want staking then great go for it, if you don't want to go down that route then great, i am sure you will do well too so long as you are committed and dedicated enough. I just wanted to play devils advocate in this debate and offer up a different perspective, to show people that you do not have to always go down the staking route to become successful in the game.

anyways, this is my last comment on staking/non staking, i am sick of the whole topic now haha. good luck and see you at the tables!

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 6 months ago

I may come off as having a strong opinion on the matter, but I am grateful for either opportunity that presents itself, whether it being private coaching or CFP. I was briefly part of Nacho's group but didn't make it past the trial period of playing 30k hands. This was to my own fault as many have said "I was beating a dead horse" with some of the issues regarding the playbook (mostly preflop) being unprofessional when I joined.

From my brief experience with the group, which I also view as a branch off Detox since that is where the coaches came from to start their own business. My experience there was it was mostly a redline playbook, which being mostly a blue line player it was hard for me to accept some of the plays listed without seeing the MDA behind it. I think Patrick handled the situation in a professional manner as we talked about my outburst the next day, where if I came to him with my concerns, he could of answered them without me making it public on discord and causing some negative energy.

With that said I know the playbook has been updated as Patrick (Nacho) said it gets updated every 4 months or so and suggestions and concerns are taken into consideration. With coaches like Sippin_Criss in the group, had I known, I probably would have tried to stick around. With that said doing it myself these days using wizard, training videos, a little bit of private coaching in the past, I am still stuck at the low stakes. So, for anyone trying to join a CFP, I would say forget everything you think you know, don't try and compare MDA to GTO wizard and make arguments for certain plays. You really must go into a CFP with a blank canvass. Try the playbook out at micro stakes until you get used to it, where the money won't affect you as it can be very swingy when you first start out.

I think my biggest argument against joining a CFP is that for me personally based on my work ethic and how much I study, I think I would learn the playbook inside and out within a couple of weeks and have no issues implementing it. So, my argument against a CFP would be why 18 months? From a business perspective I get it as the business will make the most money out of the player in the final 6 months as they have climbed up stakes. From a player perspective, if someone was playing full time, would only take 6-12 months to help the business profit but also set up your future. I just don't see what else there would be to learn in the final 12 months that someone can't learn in the first 6 months. I would also like to see a tier system implemented into the CFPs to benefit the player a bit more where it’s also rewards them to climb up the stakes. Maybe CFP takes 75% at 50NL and below, maybe 50% at 100NL - 200NL, but I think once you reach 400NL+ I think 25% in terms of the coaching, staking, and other products offered a lower percentage makes the most sense to me. Could easily bring down the math based on 6bb/100 WR these stables have pretty much in every stable. The argument for CFP is that I'm still stuck at low stakes, so WTF do I know?

100NL under Trial Period of Nacho's CFP

200NL under the same Trial Period I think these 3k hands is where my outburst took place. My ego was inflated and excited about joining CFP and getting fantastic results from 100NL, to just being stomped on when I tried to climb the stakes too fast.

Results previous to CFP with some private coaching for 200NL zone (ignition).

I will say for private coaching as Demondoink will probably tell you as well, you should probably do a database review to start out with to find your biggest leaks. Then have some type of outline broken down into maybe 10-20 coaching sessions to focus on individual topics where you can have a clear thought process around the strategy you are trying to implement.

On a side note one thing MatoStar mentioned is being under your own roll and having a bigger percentage of your profits for your journey. I do think this is the best approach and also an approach that BitB takes, I'm like 90% sure. Also instead of doing monthly profit shares and pulling money out of your bankroll as the company profit, you would just climb the stakes first, and then maybe every 6 months or 3 months give the company their share of the 15-30% profit for their coaching, community, and products they have shared. I will say every CFP from my knowledge is willing to negotiate the terms, but the 18 months or 600k hands seems like a pretty hard rule they don't seem to budge on.

Sorry if some of this is a bit off topic, but I think it sheds some light on both private and CFP businesses. Definitely benefits to both. One last thing I would advise and something Luke (Clanty) talked about in in his previous videos. When you are searching for a coach make sure to see their most recent 500k hands. I would apply this same logic to CFPs. Talk to players in the CFP to see how their experience has been and their growth as a player has been. Don't just jump in and try and join based on a few pretty graphs.

HodorIsKing 2 years, 6 months ago

Hi MatoStar . I have done some research into each CFP and Poker Detox is the one which appeals to me the most. I've been really impressed with Nick Howard's content on RIO and his courses that he used to sell publicly (which you now have to be in the Detox CFP to access). What is your opinion on Detox?

MatoStar 2 years, 6 months ago

HodorIsKing

First things first:

I have done some research into each CFP and Poker Detox is the one
which appeals to me the most.

In my opinion in order to get somewhat precise opinion you have to be part of the company for some time, or have a pretty long and open conversation with some players of the company.
Here is why: Owners of BrPC, Nachos, Detox, BitB... they will share with the publicity the best things they can offer. Ofc, its mostly going to be true, but it is just a very small part of the equation. No CFP will tell you about stuff they are leaking and need to improve at, they will not share opinion of players that are not as satisfied. They wont share opinion of guys that are sort of ok-ish with that. They share the ones that are dreaming with that, ideally performing the best.
If you cant join the company to get an opinion, I would recommend to you reach out on private to some players from CFPs you are deciding to join.

I've been really impressed with Nick Howard's content on RIO and his
courses that he used to sell publicly

Some of his content on RIO is undoubtedly awesome. Honestly his approach resonated with me the most and was driving at my very beginnings. Credits to him for being the first one out there and started with all the MDA approach.
Anyway, his public content either or RIO or YouTube is like 5 years old. So I think honestly and seeing the latest data, I can claim that some of his content is being already outdated.

What is your opinion on Detox?

I will try to drive my answer with my value - honesty.

Before BrPC, I applied to Detox - got rejected. Thanks to Nick, I totally changed my view on the game, thanks to his youtube videos mostly. It really resonated with me, not only his MDA approach, but also his view on non-poker related topics. (actually thanks to my previous coach, that showed me Nick free content).
So, I never been inside the company but have few friends there so I can speak only from this point of view.
First of all they main site is bovada/ignition. So they spend a lot of effort to maximize their winrate on this site while neglecting the minority of players that simply cant play on this site. It makes a lot of sense as they player base is from US/Canada. However, you will struggle to find those players playing known pools at 500+.

From highstakes, they run a Detox Elite - sort of like an elite group where you need to pay 100k to enter (could be paid in installments) and you are getting private classes from the top coaches in PD, including Nick (if Im not mistaken). I think you can read this publicly somewhere in their instagram or site.
This one is up to every one of you to decide if its worth it or not. Again, I would say the best approach would be to reach out to few guys that are already inside of this and try to talk to them.
Only thing I can say is that my friend from Detox, had a choice to join this elite group and he decided to join BrPC instead. He is playing 500-2k.
Another example worth mentioning: shortly before I joined BrPC, friend of mine joined Detox. We were playing the same stakes. After some time I was playing him a lot in the 200z stars pool. Honestly, I think I was ahead of him in most hands we played against each other. These days, he is 100-200nl player (he is not from US/Canada).
Ofc, it is far from being objective. But I dont have anything else to use as an example. Thats all I got so far.

Final words:

I would strongly consider PokerDetox if you have access to bovada/ignition/bodog.

I would strongly consider BrPC if you dont have access to bovada/ignition

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 6 months ago

HodorIsKing I agree with a lot of Nick Howard's teachings and use them often when I am grinding. I don't have any personal experience with BitB, but everything I hear about it has been great. I am not sure how I would rank the CFP's but BitB seems to be the #1 CFP from everything I have heard. I don't think they do staking and they recruit like 200NL+ winning players. If you make it to 200NL+ or have access to some American sites higher chance of getting into the stable. Maybe someone with BItB experience like Psek can chime in as I believe he is still one of BitB coaches?

HodorIsKing 2 years, 6 months ago

RunItTw1ce MatoStar sauloCosta10 I have a few more thoughts about CFPs that occurred to me. I see that BrPC and other CFPs often advertise that their blueprint tells you what to do to maximally exploit recreationals. I actually find that most of the tough postflop spots I get into are against regulars. I am curious if these blueprints tell you how to exploit regulars. I have no doubt that maximally exploiting recreationals is valuable, but as you climb stakes and recreationals become scarcer and pools become more reg-heavy (with the average regular being better as you climb each stake), I wonder if relying completely on exploiting recreationals to maintain a large winrate is feasible. Do you just naturally improve at playing vs regulars as your knowledge and skill level improves?

MatoStar 2 years, 6 months ago

HodorIsKing

I actually find that most of the tough postflop spots I get into are
against regulars.

Right, however, its nice to be aware of the fact that those spots arent generating nearly as much EV as the ones you might even consider "easy" vs recreationals.

I am curious if these blueprints tell you how to exploit regulars.

Yes, they do. When I am talking about blueprint and 95% of the game-tree (especially at stakes lower than 1k, I mean both against regs & recs. Once you know where they overfold, overbluff... you can adjust accordingly in any spot where such a deviation occurs.
You start to have more awareness what part of the range are they actually folding and you may realize yourself that you used to do the same. Exploits always starts from GTO. They deviate from optimal. You gotta know what is optimal in order to spot their deviation in game.
Blueprint might tell you: "Call all 0ev bluffcatchers in this node" How do you know which ones are those? You gotta study GTO.
With bluffs its the same story. Many of our bluffs are just being indifferent between betting and checking. Unless you know which ones are those, you cant properly apply the best exploitative strategy. Or bluffing everything that has <-1bb in betting line or <1bb in the checking line. How do you know which hands have less than 1bb in ev? You already know the answer guys:)
By getting smartly better at GTO, your chance of properly exploiting both regs and recs is naturally increasing.

gazjax69 2 years, 6 months ago

HodorIsKing im in Nachos and can say its pretty impressive how much goes into improving players. But we don't just have lines for exploiting fish, we jave lines that exploit mistakes regs are making as well as guidance on how to apply a more solid gto strategy as well.
From a coaching vs cfp point of view (obviously im a bit biased) i like that there is clear guidelines to follow etc that ive never really been given from coaching. The amount of time patrick and other coaches have spent in the lab to create this content is ridiculous and iwpuld never be able to commit this much time to my own study whilst getting in any volume. Whereas now i have a better idea of where the pool is reasonably balanced and therefore what areas to focus my study on.

Robert Johnson 2 years, 6 months ago

Genuine question :
By how much do you think a serious, dedicated player at NL50 / NL100 (winning let's say 5bb/100) could improve his winrate by :
- studying by himself 50 hours of high quality content videos
- studying the same 50 hours with a good coach (maybe 25 hours coaching and 25 hours personal follow up study) ?

Looking for a very rough guestimate :-)

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 6 months ago

I think step 1 is database review to find your biggest leaks. Once you know the leaks you can structure a study routine to fix them on your own. Probably need a coach to take a couple hours and do a database review though. After that depending on the site you are on, maybe 40% increase 5bb to 7bb? Sounds about right.

Demondoink 2 years, 6 months ago

Robert Johnson don't worry about getting your WR to the highest possible point, i think that is a mistake that many people playing lower stakes make. they aim to beat the games by 10bb/100 instead of just moving up.

if you are beating a game by 5bb/100 it's time to move up. trying to increase your WR by one or two bb/100 is a waste of time when you could make so much more by simply moving up in stakes.

let's say hypothetically your WR is 5bb/100 at 100nl. so you make $5 every 100 hands. if you increase your WR by 1 or 2bb then you can now make $6/7 every 100 hands. however, if you move up to 200nl then you could literally DECREASE your WR by 1bb/100 and still make more money. then obviously in time you should return to your baseline 5bb/100 WR and now you are making almost 50% more than if you were to grind 100nl with a 7bb/100 WR.

you are using perfectionism as a means of procrastination, most likely cos you are scared or concerned about moving up in stakes and exposing yourself to better players. however, doing this is vital if your aim is to do as well in poker as possible and get to the highest stakes that you can.

imo videos should more so be used as a warmup for 'proper' study. they are good at giving you some ideas and getting in to the poker mindset, but what is going to yield you the most success is grinding in PIO by yourself, or with a friend.

it's tough to put a timescale on things, as poker is a slow process of gradual improvement. it seems like you are in a bit of a rush though, thinking too far ahead and not focusing enough on just playing as well as you can each day, studying hard each day and then seeing where that takes you. it might take you 50 hours, it might take you 500 hours, or you might never move up/increase your WR. there is no way to predict these things.

if you get a good coach you will get much better than spending the same amount of time watching training videos, cos that coaching will be tailored to your weaknesses etc and you can ask questions along the way. however, it is obviously a lot more costly to hire a coach for 50 hours than to watch 50 hours of training content. so i think that using RIO videos as a warmup and to get the juices flowing is great, then get in the lab and do some work by yourself or with a friend or coach.

good luck!

Robert Johnson 2 years, 6 months ago

Demondoink : I appreciate your answer, ty. Very good insights.
I'm studying a lot and will definitely get regular coaching when I'm ready (soon).
I play NL100, some NL200 but tend to spew a few hands on a session, generally destroying my winrate. I need to fix that mental leak first.

It was a more theoretical question, that I can't answer as I'm not a coach.
I just wanted to validate some numbers in a spreadsheet to compare the value of studying or getting coached to playing instead. I would use it to demonstrate that value to some players questioning it.

I know it's +EV and I know most everyone would benefit from getting coached (general rule, even outside poker)

I should have used another starting metric : a starting winrate of 3bb/100 for a NL50/100 player.
How much would you say an average dedicated student of yours would increase his winrate after 20-50 hours of coaching ?
Just an estimate would be appreciated, maybe in pm to avoid useless proof requests ;-) .
Tia.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 6 months ago

don't worry about getting your WR to the highest possible point, I think that is a mistake that many people playing lower stakes make. they aim to beat the games by 10bb/100 instead of just moving up.

Demondoink

I know I have been over this a bunch of times with other people but I 100% fall into this trap of trying to achieve 10bb/100 WR. Because the games are so soft I think I must have some insane leaks if I'm not able to actually achieve 10bb/100. Achieving this magical number that people put on a pedestal is just my way of proving my skill set. I think if I'm not able to achieve this number at lower stakes, then I do not deserve to be playing any higher. I may reach out to you in the near future about some coaching, maybe for % of my profits based on X number of hands played if you are open to it. I did something similar with Tyler if you want a reference to my honesty and character. Anyways I'll reach out to you on skype when you are not too busy. Very good response to Robert Johnson . I know I posted a meme about this to be "funny" but in all honesty thinking about why I don't move up stakes is rather a sad reality. I think the meme is just my insecurities of not moving up stakes.

Lucrowend123 2 years, 6 months ago

Do you still schedule study time or hands review time when you already are beating pretty high stakes and your main problem is the bankroll?

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 6 months ago

That is 100% yes. Bankroll is important but you still see players like Demondoink, Clanty, PSek, nacho, etc all reach $25/$50 games but studying never ends. You are constantly adjusting your strategy based on certain reactions of your opponents. Uri Peleg has been making some youtube videos of Linus vs Stefan recently and you can see some adjustments being made for donk betting or using a bigger size for thin value and they are deviating from theory based on leaks they think their opponent has. Constant leveling wars.

ShardbearerMohg 2 years, 5 months ago

Hey, Mato. I am currently in a somewhat similar situation to where you were before you joined a CFP. I am stagnating at 50NL over a big sample (currently 200k hands). I believe that 50NL is the stake where the competition intensifies. I do not see regulars making big postflop mistakes that were prevalent at 10NL-25NL. It seems, to me at least, that it is difficult to move up without having access to MDA blueprints which are used by CFPs. I do not know which spots are underbluffed, overbluffed or overfolded by the population I'm playing against, and I believe that joining a CFP would help me understand those spots which are currently costing me the most EV. A solver also won't tell me about which spots are underbluffed, overbluffed etc by the pool, which makes CFP blueprints even more attractive to me. I am not saying it's impossible to move up the stakes without using an MDA blueprint, but it seems to me at least that it's significantly more difficult without it.

As far as I can see, MDA is rarely discussed or utilised in videos on RIO. I suspect this is because the information is simply so valuable that pros who have access it would prefer to keep the information a secret, only to be revealed to their private students or students in their CFPs. Would you say that the coaching you received in BrPC helped you significantly more than any of the video content you watched on RIO? Without wanting to put words into your mouth, I get the impression that most people who have transitioned from training sites such as RIO into CFP stables such as BrPC, would say that the coaching and material they have access to in their CFP is infinitely more helpful compared to content on traditional training sites such as RIO. I am sorry if that ruffles the feathers of anyone on RIO, but that is my impression. Most people who join CFPs, as you did, don't seem to regret their decision at all. Many of them consider it to be the best decision they have made in their poker careers.

MatoStar 2 years, 3 months ago

Hi ShardbearerMohg sorry for the late answer, I wasn't visiting rio for a while.
To your question, first of all, I haven't played 50nl+ non-staked. (With a small exception of 50z).
Ofc it's possible to move up in stakes alone as well as with a stable. For those stakes 50-200nl I see it as a very nice shortcut how one can very smoothly become a pro from playing recreationaly by joining a CFP that uses MDA. Since many players won't be able to make a living playing nl25, while most players are able to do so playing nl200.

In terms of coaching quality, I wouldn't necessarily say in a CFP they are better. You can see that Patrick, Saulo, Max, Steve. All those guys coach for a stable and for RIO too. I'd say what's different though, is how organized are specific classes in a stable. While on RIO quite often topics aren't following each other and you need to find for yourself the best order in which you want to watch them. (I'd say it's not ideal today watch a class about x-raising rivers, and another how to exploit fishes.).
As you mentioned the MDA and classes around it, that's the biggest difference probably offering infinite amount of value (for ones who haven't seen that before).

I have a pretty strong opinion - I think players who want to move up in stakes as fast as possible, joining a CFP focusing also on MDA is the best option.

MatoStar 2 years, 2 months ago

Hey Guys,

Coming here with some quick updates after long time:)

2022 in a nutshell

POKERWISE:

  • I was starting to play 500 and later on also 1k
  • I moved from BrPC to Nachos
  • I did some twitch streams for BrPC
  • I played very little hands since I left BrPC

LIFEWISE:

  • I spent around 6 months in Brazil (3 trips throughout the year)
  • I travelled a lot (Morocco, Mallorca, London, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Malta)
  • I was at the very beginning of the relationship with my Brazillian girlfriend
MatoStar 2 years, 2 months ago

I got this interesting question from a Nachos player:

What leaks did you find out you had and improved in the previous year?
How do you plan to improve further?

Here is my answer:

Leaks that I found and improved/still working on:

1. I started to work with Jared Tandler -
he helped to realize that I'm scared of making mistakes.. due to several stuff from the
childhood. He basically helped me to connects these two and help me to see how they translate into poker too.
I was seeing a big part in poker to get financially independent and prove (mostly to my dad) that I'm being successful - as through childhood I felt like having enough money means a good life, this I got from my dad.
Hence, I'm also struggling with being too detached by opinion by others about me, getting this affirmation by having enough money became such a huge desire. Suddenly I started to see life and people through how much they earn and subconsciously judging them.
This came to an end once I realize how much I value myself in the first place. I'm already complete. I don't need to be the best person in whatever area, or get affirmation about anything from others.
There's another aspect of it which is the closest people around me, would never judge me based on how much money I make, or how famous am I. They're around me because of the person that I am, it doesn't matter if I play NL2 or NL40k. I realize my dad isn't probably the same. I didn't choose my parents and if he sees me through success/money, the one suffering the most is him at the end. It doesn't make sense for me to take that personally and suffer from that, because it's not part of my values, it has nothing to do with who I am.
I mentioned this as first since it was the biggest relief for me- having this freedom behind playing, not being afraid of mistakes.. being the same person, holding the same values before and after the session. It simply has been having the biggest impact on my well-being (and most likely on my future EV too).

2. Realizing that I'm already at a very high level

This one sounds a bit silly, but honestly guys in 2021 I was playing NL25, 50. (My sample together there was probably less than 100k hands). In one 18 months contract for BrPC, I was suddenly playing with guys like demondoink, TUTI88, mynameiscarl, TheWakko... playing the 500z and being one of the better players there.
At the beginning of 2021 I was seeing 500z as top regs battling there (and would never imagine myself getting there that soon).

I started to get a feeling whenever I made a bigger mistake that those 500, 1k stars regs has been around for so long and I'm just a GTO noob that is punting at the table (this has been my TP behind it).

However, after I got a few DB reviews by Saulo and Zinhao and doing a live session as well resulting in them saying my level is at a very high level, leaking in a very few areas that aren't that significant. This literally started to give me the feeling that there are probably no huge holes in my game (which was the opposite of what I was thinking about).
Doing couple of twitch streams, getting a positive feedback from guys and most recently joining Nachos and getting a very good feedback on my game from Patrick as well.

Basically what it does is that it brings me way more confidence to the tables, way less unhealthy doubts to my creative moves or big loses. It also gives me a stronger resilience to downswings as I simply trust myself more.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 2 months ago

However, after I got a few DB reviews by Saulo and Zinhao and doing a live session as well resulting in them saying my level is at a very high level, leaking in a very few areas that aren't that significant.

Why join another CFP if coaches are you telling you that you have very few leaks?

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 2 months ago

zinhao are you saying you would not join a CFP if you were in his shoes? I wonder if it just has to do with confidence and having a strong support system around him. Its hard to be a lone wolf crusher at times.

MatoStar 2 years, 1 month ago

Sorry for the late response RunItTw1ce

Why join another CFP if coaches are you telling you that you have very few leaks?

Good question. Though, this you can use for any type of coaching and question whether it is worth the money or not.
In my case, however, I joined another CFP solely because of the staking. I simply do not have roll to play 1k by my own.
Why is that? Hah, this topic has been already discussed on my blog a lot. But for me personally, I just 2 years ago started to take shots at NL50, before that my only "income" was coming from playing part-time microstakes.
So I am still in the process of building my roll as I steadily keep moving up in stakes, which means that I need more and more roll to be able to play unstaked. Obviously playing unstaked = more money for me. Well, there is also another aspect:

If my current bankroll is 0 atm and I expect myself to win 125k/year, assuming my winrate at 1k is 3.5bb/100 and I play 30k hands a month. In case I want to take shots at 2k after this year, I have essentially 62bis which I think it is definitely not healthy considering it is my entire life roll.
In a next year scenario making 250k/year mostly on 2k, I will get to 50bis for 5k which is again ridiculously low. This also assumes that I have no expenses whatsoever during the year (tho, I say I am starting from 0, so those expenses can be similar-ish to the current amount that I have).
So it basically does not matter whether its 2k,5k or some low stakes, the principle is the same. The more money involved, the more mental it gets obviously :D

Ideal scenario would be to have saved some money from the previous job or something, but come on guys I discovered poker when I was 17, that was my part-time and I was starting literally from 0. Went through NL2 all the way up till NL1k. The staking is simply allowing me to climb all the stakes faster than I would ever be able to do by myself. This is the most important I think, very aggressive shot-taking, way sooner, after smaller sample sizes, without hurting my financial situation by any means.

In BrPC (MetaGame), I got this great opportunity from my coaches (Special credits for #Lukasz) who once they saw my work, how I am thinking combined with the results they were moving me up ultra aggressively. This was basically the main reason why I sky-rocketed from NL50 to NL1k in a year. The support, especially when you are newer to the game/ playing lower stakes is crucial. None of these training sites are gonna give you this.
There is also something to be said, that no every player can make a lot of move ups in such a short time window. In every stable, you will find super hard crushers, but also guys that stagnate for months or even years. This seems very interesting to me:

why players who join the stable at NL25,NL50 having almost the same poker knowledge can vary so much. In 2-3 years one battling at 2k,5k+ and the other one struggling at NL200? Assuming both profiles invest similar amount of time.
zinhao sauloCosta10 Freenachos what differentiate those guys? I assume you all were in the group of moving to highstakes super quickly and you also see a lot of guys that can but also can not make it.

RunItTw1ce 2 years, 1 month ago

In my case, however, I joined another CFP solely because of the staking. I simply do not have roll to play 1k by my own.

I think this makes sense assuming you have a bigger percentage of your profits coming in as a winning player. Other wise I would just ask why not have a 100% of your self at 1-2 levels lower where you are rolled.

why players who join the stable at NL25,NL50 having almost the same poker knowledge can vary so much. In 2-3 years one battling at 2k,5k+ and the other one struggling at NL200? Assuming both profiles invest similar amount of time.
zinhao sauloCosta10 Freenachos what differentiate those guys? I assume you all were in the group of moving to highstakes super quickly and you also see a lot of guys that can but also can not make it.

I would chime in here as a player "who has not made it." And the most important thing is consistency. Consistency with efficient studying. Consistency with putting in the hours every day. Then of course having a strong support group of winning players who understand the game tree that you can bounce ideas off of and study with. A lot of players like myself get stuck on range bets on the flop or being polarized on the turn with equity driven bluffs, but then they get to the river and see their best draws are giving up and they are only left with value. They were missing those future bluffs (air) on the turn. We (players who haven't made it) get stuck on we are winning in soft pools and simply haven't grasped the entire picture of a complete strategy that you need to move up stakes and compete in tougher pools. Whenever we shot take it goes poorly because we have gotten away with playing face up in soft pools so long. Have to start over with a blank canvass and forget what you think you know and be open minded to what these coaches are teaching you. Being under contract forces you to treat it more like a job which helps with volume. A lot of players suffer from lack of volume because they give themselves a choice to play or not. If everyone makes a contract for themselves they are able to stick it, we would see a lot more success.

sippin_criss 2 years, 1 month ago

Nice points here. MatoStar you didn't tag me but to put it plainly the number one thing is a willingness to persist through the constant pain and suffering. Guys will lose 10 buyins and question the strategy that is clearly working well for dozens of guys. They explore nonsense on YouTube trying to find the holy grail when it's already in front of them. Their study habits are way too complicated and not basic and foundational. They take breaks every time they have a bad day and it cuts their volume in half.

It is actually so straightforward and simple and laid out for them, I think an incredible amount of dick punching has to occur for someone not to make it to 500 within say 2 years, as a winning 50NL reg.

MatoStar 1 year, 10 months ago

Bigger update

Hey guys, after a long time posting some big update, gonna talk a bit about how it is going now basically since the beginning of the year + how am I doing with my pre-set yearly goals.

First of all, I have to say I am very glad I found a site where I can play 500 and 1k consistently. I really enjoy playing times that are lets say normal for a human being to work. So not having to wake up at 4, or playing until 3am type of stuff. Yes, you guessed right, the site is GG.

Volume*
Overall, until today I have played 115k hands. The number is not ideal/what I wanted to have at this point. However, considering me taking 2 long trips to Brazil, being more than 1 month away just for travelling + couple of small trips gets me back to the reality. This leads me to adjust my yearly goal of playing 500k hands. For now, I would say 400k hands would be very challenging and I will be personally very glad if I could achieve that. (again, no hard pressuring here, if I end up playing 350k hands, so be it).

Results*
The initial, just for fun goal was 100k for this year. As you can see from the graph, with the rakeback, it should be around 47k$. I am actually feeling pretty good about it, tho the sample is quite small and I dont want to put much weight on that. From my feeling, I would say at 500, I am able to squeeze 8bb/100 and at 1k probably 6bb/100 (after rakeback when playing on top of my limits). Results after smaller sample are indicating, that instead of the 7bb avg staked winrate potential, I am getting like 5bb (3bb+ 2 for rakeback). What does that mean? I am not always playing my best, not always table selecting as good as well. What I am gonna do about it to try to reach my full potential?

Improvement window*
First of all, I am regularly after most sessions making a re-evaluation of how I am playing. This year I am averaging: 8,3/10 both for Tactical Performance and my Mental Game. Which gives me a good feedback that there is still a bunch to improve. Below I will write the most common things that I could do better and were occurring in my reviews.
Regarding table selection, I made a good progress by having a big TV. Since I am in Brazil rn, I want to buy a big monitor for times I am in Slovakia as well. I also want to keep opened 1k tables even if I am already playing enough. Simply cause, there might be a whale jumpin, so I can switch that for the other table that is very likely worse.

"No distractions, no opening Discord, phone...""
"I need enough sleep, otherwise I wont be fully energized""
"Not counting my balance (Its a bit tough one, as I cant really hide it)""
"Just focusing on playing my best""
"Not taking loses personal, some players will owe me and thats normal""
"If I want to bring my Top A-Game, I have to purely focus on making the best decisions possible in every spot""
"There is no point in thinking about how much money have I won or lost in the moment""
"Keep in mind the jackpot fee over 30bbs""
"Full concentration from the first to the last hand""
"Bring more mindfulness to the session, more awareness of my thoughts, emotional state""
"Train how to use statname better""
"Revise best sizings OTR - wasting time on that in game prevents me from coming up with other ideas""
"Dont be scared of anyone""
"More awareness, esp. in moments where I am about to slip to my B/C-Game""

2023 graph

By stakes

RunItTw1ce 1 year, 10 months ago

I think in order to achieve your list of DO's and Don'ts there needs to be a lot more details. Not just say something and expect to achieve it. Say what you want to achieve, why, and then give a time frame to accomplish the goal.

For example "Train how to use statname better""
1) Why do you want to do this?
2) How do you plan on executing this? Who is going to help you learn how to use it better?
3) What dead line are you going to give yourself to learn how to use this tool better?

"Revise best sizings OTR - wasting time on that in game prevents me from coming up with other ideas""
1) How are you wasting time on this? How many bet sizes are you using? What are the 2-3 bet sizes you want to use and what scenarios would you use each sizing?

I would go through each of the items you listed and then give 2-3 examples of each on how you are going to execute going forward. Even getting a bigger monitor. Which monitor? What price? What size? Be very specific if you want to achieve all of this.

Satoshi Nakamoto 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey Martin, glad to see your update again :)

As you wrote in your new update, table-selection at GG would be much more important skill than at any other sites because of the high rake environment. But at same time, table-selection at GG could be more risky than at any other sites because GG took very strict attitude against highly aggressive table-selection/bumhunt. Actually its difficult to distinguish between those two. Lots of players who are good at exploits fish are banned at GG. I don't know the actual reason for ban is whether their ways of table-selection or their high winrate.

So if you have your specific way to table-select at GG or stuff to keep in mind not to get a warning from GG, could you share pls?

And how did you feel the environment at GG compared with other sites, in terms of rake impact/Fish-reg ratio?

Thanks

MatoStar 1 year, 9 months ago

Hey bro, thanks for the kind words:)

As far as the GG bum-hunting goes, I honestly do not know if there are some special tricks, heard some stories of the winning players getting banned as well and apparently it is just something we gotta accept. I honestly think it is a combination of both high winrate and aggressive bum-hunting.

Comparing to other sites, it is hard to say since I played most of my volume on stars. However, I do have a bit of experience with other sites like ACR, iPoker and Chico. Nowadays, for playing 500+ one has to mix many sites which I didnt particularly enjoy and quite often play specific time zones to get the tables in, that is why I am sticking to GG for now.
For one playing below 500, iPoker, Chico, Stars, bodog seems to be all very solid options and quite often one can play only 1 site and get 4+ good tables.

Chow 1 year, 8 months ago

Hey man I am a private coaching student of Freenachos, he mentioned your name in a call the other day, so I thought I would check out your blog!

Great stuff.

MatoStar 1 year, 7 months ago

Hey guys,

A bit of reflecting on the summer time

I literally played 25h total in these last 2 months.
Did some coachings, Masterclasses, a bit of studies, but for the most part I was spending time with bunch of friends, family + finding new apartment, monitor, setup etc.

Now, I already settled up a bit, tho still not having the place with my best friend.. however, I want to start playing again even if I might eventually move out very soon. The thing is that, in 45 days from now I will go to Brazil for 3 weeks out of which most days will be a vacation time with my gf as she will end her long studies (hopefully with a happy end of getting accepted to the uni of Bologna). Not ideal in terms of my poker career, but I chose it and I want to accept the way it is. Probably will set some 1h a day of studies regardless.

Anyway, these last 2 months I maybe took a bit more chill than needed, but at the same time it is the only time I can see some friends (the ones that are studying abroad) + I am still 22 and there is simply no need to rush anything here in poker. I can be very successful nosebleed crusher with or without taking it very chill for 2 months. Will keep that in mind tho for the next 45 days (my flight to Brazil) and will skip some nice to have activities and putting poker on the first place.

Results-wise its so far so good, but again the total volume this year is 160k hands, which is very low amount and the variance can still play a big role. Tho, the results are looking quite promising in the highest rake environment.

In terms of my contract in Nachos, I still got around 150k hands to play, but I would definitely like to reach that by the end of this year. After that, I will re-evaluate, but for now I keep all the options open. Gonna make a separate post about that once I get closer to the end of my contract.

This year Graph

By stakes

*My C rake attributed ~ rakeback

RunItTw1ce 1 year, 7 months ago

How are they responding to your low volume?

I literally played 25h total in these last 2 months.

Don't you have to maintain something like 120hrs a month or like 36k hands a month? Is there less pressure on 1KNL players to put in volume compared to 200NL players? Also I thought contracts were supposed to be 600-650k hands?

MatoStar 1 year, 7 months ago

Hey man, how are you doing?:)

How are they responding to your low volume?

In NachosPoker there is no volume requirement. Other CFPs work differently, I would say Nachos is having the biggest % of non full-time players.

Don't you have to maintain something like 120hrs a month or like 36k hands a month? Is there less pressure on 1KNL players to put in volume compared to 200NL players? Also I thought contracts were supposed to be 600-650k hands?

Yeah, so I can play pretty much as many hours as I want. Typically contracts are for that length as you said. The one I got from Patrick was simply too good to refuse. It is 350k hands for the entire contract, that is why I switched to Nachos fwiw. I would have quite likely stayed in Meta/BrPC if not getting the offer to be fair.

MatoStar 1 year, 4 months ago

Free coaching giveaway

Hey everyone,

Gonna choose a one person to give a free coaching session. All you gotta do is to like this post, and I will randomly pick one of you at the end of this week.
The duration will be 1hour, but the guys that already had classes with me, know that we finish when the student does not have any more questions:)

Doing coaching has been something I was enjoying quite a lot lately in the CFP and would eventually like to continue with that as well. Since, I decided to officially leave Nachos Poker I am not in the team anymore so I am no longer a coach there obviously. (I will also update you guys on that one as well, post some results, probably later this week)
Also I can finally say that I do accept students on 1on1 coachings which is actually something I am very excited about as I used to get a lot of messages guys asking me for that, and I simply had to refuse due to being under contract. I will also probably offer the most affordable price (for the first students) given the stakes and results I am having.

Talk to you soon guys,
Cheers

MatoStar 1 year, 4 months ago

Poker Career Update

Yo guys coming with the promised update. I officially ended my contract in Nachos Poker after a little over 1 year. I have to say that I am feeling a little bit weird after all, as I was being guided just until now from NL25 to 1k and then after those almost 3yrs of guidance and support, coachings etc. suddenly I am alone on all of that! What I mean by that is, when I have a hand I am not sure I played well, I posted on discord or ask on 1on1 session and I knew feedback is coming. There has been a also a ton of MDA coming out every here and then, so I sort of always got the latest data for the pool I was playing in. If I lost 5-10k in one day, I still had on my mind, that those money arent mine so it wasnt creating this type of pressure. However, now its all different and I am actually excited for this period! (tho, having a little respect:D).

My plans as for now to get this experience as I think I can grow the most right now by trying to play by myself as its definitely not super comfort zone. I need to consider my bankroll, so to be honest with you guys, I got some 60-80bi life roll for NL500 which I think I will play at the beginning. I am feeling very confident at this stake on GG and so far I had great success there as well. I will for sure consider joining another CFP, (all of them are possible) but as for now I dont feel the need to do so.

The main focus now is going to be on getting used to playing with my own money, building a roll so that I can mix it up with 1k soon and then basically see from there. Since this last year I wasnt playing as much as I would like to (mostly due to travelling a lot, investing a lot of time into my relationships with my close friends and girlfriend), I am putting poker as a top priority for now. I imagine by playing by myself, I got a little more time as well for playing as reading discord channel can be also sometimes time consuming.
Besides planning to play a lot, I am also very excited to keep coaching as well. Got a very good feedback so far from the classes I was doing in Nachos and was really good doing that too.

Despite not playing much this year, I am fine with my current results in the highest rake environment.

MatoStar 1 year, 4 months ago

Free coaching winner

The winner of the free coaching session is:

https://gyazo.com/0a4c2adf2a9ccdb21d26c9def8bbf1ff

Congratulation bro! Please hit me a message so that we can schedule the time:)

For the rest of you guys that are still interested in free coaching with me, I will do another giveaway on my instagram (matostar14) next week.

Ubersantas 1 year, 4 months ago

Hi Mato,

Thanks again for the coaching session. I gained a better understanding of the game and strategy I can bring to the tables. Your coaching style is very nice and you explained good reasoning for different playing styles that was easy to follow.

Good luck with your journey, I will keep an eye on your blog!

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