lol..u need some stop loss control :) im glad ur mindset is fine :) tho~ establish some stop loss restrictions

Why does he need stop loss if he wasnt tilted or upset?

No stop loss needed if you're still within your BR requirements you've set for yourself. 

That said, almost no one admits to becoming mentally wounded. 

Well I usually stopp loss when I'm down a lot in EV terms since that usually means I'm not playing my best. Yesterday I wasn't down much in EV terms and still felt I was playing well. With that said I should probably have quit earlier since it might not have been entirely true. 

Can also add that I don't usually look at my bottom line in play. Only focus on EV and a few other stats. So yesterday I didn't even know How much I was actually down until 5min before the end (although I obviously knew it was a lot and I was running horribly).  But anyway didn't mean to discuss wanted to hear if someone had ever run this bad in EV terms?

I had a session (PLO) recently where I was down something like 25 BI.  It was the most bizarre experience.  I kept getting good starting hands, also connecting reasonably with flops, but no matter what I did I just couldn't finish with a winning hand.  I'd be value betting my top two pair on a dry board, opponents would calls with rags and spike a random set on the river.  Or hit backdoor flushes.  If I got it in with top set, the draw always came in.  And when I had the draw, the set always held.  Bluffing was equally pointless, I would face the most bizarre calldowns, but they happened to be right.  Every time I tried to stab someone had a slow played monster.  An awful experience really.

I didn't think I played so poorly at the time, but looking at the session later, I realize I was making minor mistakes here and there.  These mistakes compounded and ended up being very costly in the end, and perhaps more importantly they unnecessarily increased the variance.  I learned some other things from the session too, so all in all it's still an experience I'll gain something from.  But it was certainly unpleasant.

I've lost 20 stacks in a day, going 1-12 in flips (yes, I counted) and like 1-7 in 80/20s where I was in front, and getting cold decks (AA vs AK). Even running it twice didn't help.
And then I tilted off the rest of my bankroll.

Gerhardt what do you mean "issues with more accurate tracking system"? I agree that PT4 or HM aren't perfect at determining your true luck factor öike set ups etc but it's still a better indicator than juat looking at the bottom line. 

Well I'm back at the tables tonight. Wish me luck..

gl :) may ps gods let u hit all draws and all ur made hands hold ^_^

Thanks for the support. :) 

Made about 1k and didn't run bad so your support helped. Gerhardt, very interesting. I'm to tired to really get into what you wrote there and the link but will check it out tomorrow. But still, my intuition says that if I'm all in pre with AA vs KK and he spikes a K my all in EV will better resemble my "true" winrate than my actual winrate. I was aware that PT4 seemed to being screwing the EV up in multi way pots but not that often you are all in multi way in NLH.

Hehe lot of debate on EV.

 Whysoeasy, I hear your points and of course you are right. Look it's not like I'm following my EV like some kind of stat junky and instantly shut down my session if my EV hits a certain spot. But I still stand up to my remark that EV is a better indicator than bottom line. By keeping a loose eye on my EV I think I get a reasonably fair indicator on how I'm playing. Of course if I keep getting it in in reasonable spots but being up against villains top range I'm going to be aware of that and not be to hard on myself. But if that's not really the case and my EV is down by a lot it could be that I'm just losing money in spots where I shouldn't be or that I'm not playing my A game. 

Gerhardt read that article now. Interesting but really nothing new. Sites that don't reveal hole cards is at least for me non existent. And as it states in the article what is really calculated is your equity and not your expected value. But as it also says in the article it is somewhat likely that these will converge over a larger sample of hands. Lastly it does state that multiway pots in which someone is all in on a street prior to when the other players are all in will give a large error. But once again spots like those are fairly uncommon in NLH. Or at least so uncommon that I don't think it will significantly alter the results. However what whysoeasy brings up is very true and that's that allin EV doesn't account for standard spots where you feel you get the money in good. Or in other words doesn't account for villains range and that you are constantly facing the top of villains range or the bottom for that matter. But that is also something that should reasonably converge over time. All in all I understand the draw backs of looking at this stat but I also understand the benefits and I still like it :)

My record was i think 1600 bb blow ev ,  in 5 k day

so just to make sure I have not missed something here..... I read the Hwang article .... if you get Allin 3 way on Poker Stars ... all players cards are not know by Poker Tacker 4 ...   or is it only when you are all in and there is subsequent betting after you are all in (possibly on the next street) and one of the players fold

This would explain the epidemic of players running bankrolls below EV

If anyone can clarify please do

Thanks