Have you seen any footage of preflop solver in action?

Yes, there is a video on PioSolver youtube page. There are also a couple of free HU SNG sims from simplepostflop available.

Free GTORB video about solving preflop GTO.

Thanks man!!!
this one was good!!!

Free GTORB video about solving preflop GTO.

:D

wow that's allot of ram...

For basic learning to use this thing,can I get by with 8GB ?
I think I could upgrade to ten in my system but thats it.
Pio recommends 6GB for comfort...

Very useful , thanks :)

Only preflop solving requires a huge amount of RAM.

Most 100bb postflop trees that are practical to study are around 4gb, so you need 6gb to run them. I often use simple trees that are around 1gb to just get a feel for how the ranges look in a spot. The smaller trees are much faster to solve, so they are often preferred when reviewing hands.

On my 10GB RAM system running Win 10 I usually have a maximum of 5.8Gb for running Pio so IMO 6GB RAM can't run much of a Pio model as hardly any spare RAM.

A 3B small SPR tree might only be 500Mb or so. It is the 100BB trees with all options that take 5.8Gb.

Thanks Kal /Sam I am

@IamIndiff
Do you find it important to include donkbetting on turns and river when you are simulating BTN vs BB or HU hands?

Good video by Tyler
Pio FAQ

nice nice keep them coming.... I actually so that and it was done in a bovada student review so pumped to go back and watch that one!!

Also try to focus more on improving ranges than optimizing bet sizing etc. There is not too much to gain by tweaking small variables. On turn and river I usually use two sizes and include one bet size from 50%-80% pot and one from 100%-150% pot.

Probably makes running sims with lower ram easier???

Yes! I like to simplify the things I am not studying as much as possible. If you are not studying river play you can use one medium size like 75% OTR pot to make it sove faster. If you are only studying IP you can simplify OOP bet sizing. Click on use one bet size after raise if you are not studying XR etc.

You can also use smaller starting stack like 70bb to make it use less RAM and solve faster. It should not affect flop play much, but will affect river play much more after BBB line.

Thanks man!

They are all flop, turn and river solver. The turn and river solving function is free for Pio and simplepostflop. Try them all and see which you like best.

I prefer Pio for wide range spots like SB vs BB because of a function called range explorer. GTORB and SP has a similar function.

kal is baller he has both ;D

I only have Pio. By reputation Pio is significantly faster. Kalupso can you confirm that?

I don't have SP and have only tried to view cloud simulations In SP. SP should be of similar solving speed, but changing runouts is much faster with Pio.

I used PIO for the moment but chose to go with Simple Postflop wich is 2-3x faster in situation that I compared. From what I know Simple Postflop is at least of the similiar speed as http://jeskola.net/jesolver_beta/ wich You can buy to use with PioViewer. If you use Standalone version of Simple Postflop changing runouts is as fast as in Pio, but you don't have keyboard shortcuts that can do that.

buy saulo-solver, pee-o is behind the learning curve

when u r at it try saulo-postflop : "all moneyz r made postflop!!!!!@!"

It is fine and you can run huge trees. They made some recent memory optimizations.

4gb is minimum and 6gb+ is recommended.

I use it no problem with 8GB Ram
Just makes you savor the really big sims. :P

Hi, I'm trying to do the same thing but I'm stuck. Did you made any progress on that?

egolibero:

Mac user also, with Crossover. Can't remember if I tried to run Pio in Crossover, but I do know that it only runs 32 bit software, so you might run into memory limitations (32 bit software can only use 4GB ram, right?)

I ended up running Pio in the Amazon cloud, which works very well, with mucho computing power (60 GB RAM, 36 cores) when needed, and scaling the machine to a small 4GB one for most day-to-day study work ($0.07/hour for that one, which is basically free).

I use Microsoft Remote Desktop to connect to Amazon EC2, worked right out of the box.

Edge version is for Preflop and you need at least 64Gb for that. You can also rent a cloud computer and use it for Preflop.

Pro or basic is what you should buy for postflop with a quad core CPU. They both support 16Gb RAM now (unlike at launch).

How much does the rental cost? 64 is ridic.....

Amazon EC2 is the most popular service. Around 2$ an hour is what I have seen for suitable hardware. For solving huge trees you need more powerful servers and they cost closer to 4$/h. The solving time will depend a lot on the complexity of the game tree.

thanks

Kall, does the speed of the SSD matter when it comes down to PIO?

Been working a lot with Pio Edge, and have gained some experience in RAM use. You can do a lot with 32 GB, except if you try the full game (open, 3B, call 3B, 4B, call 4B, 5B, call 5B) with wide ranges.

I squeezed the SB/BB war with SB playing raise/fold and both players having all options after that into 60 GB, but with tight SB open (~45%) and a trimmed (more about that in a bit) BB range. Beyond that, I'd need a few tens of GB more.

You can do a trick to trim down ranges. First, do a flat-only calculation for the defending player, allowing him to use all hands, but only as flat-or-fold. Then discard all hands that can not be flatted profitably in that game and use the remaining hands as a "seed range" for the full game with 3/4/5-betting.

Not a perfect solution, because when you allow 3/4/5-betting, things change. Some hands in your seed range are not flattable anymore when your stronger hands start 3-betting (but that's OK, because Pio will just stop flatting them, or possibly use them as 3B bluffs). It's also possible that Pio would have grabbed for 3B bluffs among hands that you first discarded as not flattable.

But by and large, that approximation seems reasonable for shaving off unplayable hands with a simple calculation, so that you are left with a smaller starting range and a more manageable calculation for the full game.

Approximating the SB/BB scenario that way to 3bb/100 accuracy took a few hours (4?) on 36 cores and 60 GB ram (the c4.8xlarge instance which costs ~$3/hour).

Zen, and what about SSD speed? Does it matter?

SSD will make loading saved flops significantly faster and that is only useful for running aggregation reports over multiple saved flops. If you don't even know what that mean the answer is no, having an SSD doesn't matter.

+1. Number crunching is about cores and ram. Hard drive performance is more an issue for big database handling in your tracker.

Sidetrack for Kalupso:

How does Hand2Note perform compared to PT4 and HEM? H2N claims very good speeds for import and analysis. Does it handle big databases well?

It's the best for large amounts of HHs and you should be able to work with DBs up to around 100M hands without a problem. It's also really easy to make aliases for player types and see how they play with range research feature. I use hand2note protools package for popups and I think they work very well for population analysis. I'm not that happy with the packages pre made HUD configurations, but I play on a site without HHs or HUDs at the moment. Buying a few million HHs for population analysis is not a bad idea and shouldn't be a moral issue if you don't even play on the site the HHs are from.

when you upgraded you payed the difference or have bought total new?

Mario V. you just have to pay the difference

if you are not going to be solving very large trees or preflop trees 8gb is enough but I think the basic version is the best in that case

you need to buy a computer imo. i got mines a couple of years back, and it was actually slightly cheaper than the price of a Mac (cost around £900 for the tower). it is night and day between the two machines. i am able to run scripts with multiple sizings on each street no problem. i just went in to some random PC store and asked for the one with the largest memory/ram etc.

in terms of memory for your database, you can never have enough tbh. if you want to save large trees this will take up A LOT of space. but even if you wanna run/save a script with small tree saves it still adds up to a lot of memory.

buying a decent computer with a lot of memory is the best investment you can make as a poker player. that, and a comfortable chair :D