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Full Tilt Poker $1500/$3000 Limit 2-7 Triple Draw Lowball - 2 players - View hand 2168528

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Pre Draw: (1.5 SB) Hero is BTN/SB with K Q 9 6 3

Hero raises, Seb86 calls

First Draw: (4 SB) (2 players)

Seb86 draws 3, Hero draws 3

Hand: 9 6 3 3 2

Seb86 checks, Hero bets, Seb86 raises, Hero calls

Second Draw: (4 BB) (2 players)

Seb86 stands pat, Hero draws 2

Hand: 6 4 3 2 2

Seb86 bets, Hero calls

Third Draw: (6 BB) (2 players)

Seb86 stands pat, Hero draws 1

Hand: 6 5 4 3 2

Seb86 bets, Hero raises, Seb86 3-bets, Hero caps!, Seb86 folds


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Zachary Freeman 11 years, 11 months ago
Think he was snowing or 3bet for value and folded. I assume he was snowing. Would you ever advocate having a 3bet/fold value range? It seems to exploitable vs all but the most ABC.
If you caught another 2 or 3 would you have raised or called? With pair of 22 or 33 you beat most of his snowing range. Also his value range should be fairly narrow given he patted after first draw.
Phil Galfond 11 years, 11 months ago
I don't think he had value and folded. I definitely would've called rather than raised with 22/33, but I may just call with that hand in the first place rather than making the first raise.
Zachary Freeman 11 years, 11 months ago
I meant would you have called with 22 or 33 to the first bet given he bet knwing you are drawing smooth and he patted early. I assume you would call there very light. Perhaps you would be calling on anything but 66 or a straight.
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
Phil you know that straights are bad hands in 2-7 right? Did you really expect Sebsastien to call with a higher straight or full house here?

Just kidding, nice bluff. But why did you pick this hand to 4-bet bluff with, because 65432 is the hand with the lowest hand ranking in your range or because you know Sebastien can't have the 2d, 2c, 3h, 3c, 4d, 5c?
Did you ran math on how many blockers you need to have/had and of what rank for knowing when to bluff?
Phil Galfond 11 years, 11 months ago
65432 isn't the best hand to pick except that I felt he was snowing and I couldn't call.

Blockers were a part of it, but it was also just a read.
Aleksandra ZenFish 11 years, 11 months ago
found it :
The term 'snowing' simply refers to a practice in draw poker low-ball games where you make a bluff based on the fact that you have a multiple number of important low cards in your hand, but ones that pair and actually make your hand very weak. However, despite the fact that your hand is very bad, due to the fact that you know where so many of the key cards for other lows are, your bluff stands a much larger chance of success, as other people will have a much harder time hitting their key cards
lofigr 11 years, 11 months ago
I think good players rarely fold hands like 34578, 34678, 35678 no matter they don't have deuce. 222 won't help u much in that case I think...
Here Phil had 2 deuces 2 threes and 1 four, 1 five and 1 six (draws included). Good enough to bluff (much better than just 222).

Total traffic of the lowest cards in your hand is more important than just (final) snapshot....
Maybe I'm wrong.......
Aleksandra ZenFish 11 years, 11 months ago
IDK didnt play that game much, was just a guess that if you hold 222 stand pat and start reraising like maniac rarely will someone go allin on 34568? unless they got read
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
Sebastien must be really angry after reading this thread:

He check/called with 66542 after the third draw against Phil.
http://i.imgur.com/ODHY99J.png
Phil barreled every street, Sebastien called and check/called every street, they both drew 3, 2 1 on each draw respectively.

Moreover he refused to give Viktor any more action at 2-7 Triple Draw:
Seb86: dont join my table again pls
Brian Townsend 11 years, 11 months ago
Not sure if this was posted for discussion but I draw at the 9632 vs someone who has a range of roughly any nine or better.

As for river I think many fold to much in this spot to caps, but I don't think this is a hand we want in our capping range. Seems like many better hands to bluff with, espcially after drawing two on the turn.
GameTheory 11 years, 11 months ago
Phil is playing two sicks hands here vs PostFlopAction:

Dealer: Hand #32491385863
Dealer: OMGClayAiken raises to $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction calls
Dealer: *** FIRST DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction discards 4 cards
Dealer: OMGClayAiken stands pat
Dealer: PostflopAction checks
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $1,500
Dealer: PostflopAction calls
Dealer: *** SECOND DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction discards 2 cards
Dealer: OMGClayAiken stands pat
Dealer: PostflopAction checks
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction calls
Dealer: *** THIRD DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction discards 1 card
Dealer: OMGClayAiken stands pat
Dealer: PostflopAction checks
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction raises to $6,000
Dealer: OMGClayAiken has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: OMGClayAiken has requested TIME
Dealer: OMGClayAiken calls
Dealer: PostflopAction shows a straight, Eight high
Dealer: OMGClayAiken shows A,Q,J,T,8
Dealer: OMGClayAiken wins the pot ($26,999.50) with A,Q,J,T,8

http://i.imgur.com/TobcM3B.png




Dealer: Hand #32491442687
Dealer: OMGClayAiken raises to $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction raises to $4,500
Dealer: OMGClayAiken calls
Dealer: OMGClayAiken has 15 seconds left to act
Dealer: *** FIRST DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction discards 2 cards
Dealer: OMGClayAiken discards 4 cards
Dealer: PostflopAction bets $1,500
Dealer: OMGClayAiken raises to $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction calls
Dealer: *** SECOND DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction discards 1 card
Dealer: OMGClayAiken stands pat
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction raises to $6,000
Dealer: OMGClayAiken raises to $9,000
Dealer: PostflopAction raises to $12,000
Dealer: OMGClayAiken calls
Dealer: *** THIRD DRAW ***
Dealer: PostflopAction stands pat
Dealer: OMGClayAiken stands pat
Dealer: PostflopAction checks
Dealer: OMGClayAiken bets $3,000
Dealer: PostflopAction calls
Dealer: OMGClayAiken shows four of a kind, Twos
Dealer: PostflopAction shows K,8,7,5,4
Dealer: PostflopAction wins the pot ($44,999.50) with K,8,7,5,4

http://i.imgur.com/LWdf0t6.png

Your opponents caps after the second draw when you hold the ultimate nutblockers, quad deuces, and then you lose to some strangely played K8754. Makes you wonder if 222 is so common.

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