Bovada Zone Dilemma
Posted by Max Lober
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Max Lober
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Bovada Zone Dilemma
Hey guys I have been grinding and beating Zone 100NL for a few months now combined with two 50NL Zone tables. I would play 4 tables of 100NL Zone if Bovada if they allowed it, but since they don't have been stuck with this option.
Now that I feel ready skill, and bankroll wise, to play 200NL I am questioning if I should. They do not have a zone option, so no doubt my win rate will be better at 100NL Zone than 200NL regular. So two of my tables will remain 100NL Zone, but what should I do with the other two tables???
Do you guys think grinding 50NL zone where my win rate should be around half of what it is at 100NL Zone is better than playing 200NL regular?
Here is my 100NL Zone graph is the past few months, and my overall graph for this year is posted below in the comment section.
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2 tables 100NL zone, 2 tables table selecting as hard as you can at the 100NL 6-max games. I would wait until you have a poker BR of 10k before you move up to 200~
I'm also a huge bankroll knit, good luck! :)
Mush, above is only my graph for 100NL Zone. Here is my overall graph. Change your opinion at all?
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Yes! Dude you are crushing! :D
Move up! Just make sure you table select harder at 200NL. I would stick with 2 tables 100NL zone and then 2 tables 200NL 6-max~
should have already moved up imo. especially with that winrate
Right but my point is I don't think moving up to 200NL is helping my win rate! I think at 100NL Zoom I can have a better win rate than I can have at 200NL regular. Now the real question is weather that is true or not for 50NL.
The real question is what will you make the most money at, while having a negligable risk of ruin. If you loose less than half your winrate moving up, it's more profitable
Yeah I understand that is the case for regular tables! But when playing zoom tables win rates are substantially higher because you are seeing 5X the amount of hands as a regular table. Its not as black and white as that. If it was I wouldn't be asking the question. By my calculations of playing zone and regular 100NL. Zone is roughly 3 times more profitable than regular 100NL. That being said it is more profitable than 200NL even if I lost 0% of my win rate while moving up. I am specifically asking about 50NL Zone v.s 200NL regular. If you consider everything that I said, it will change the typical answer which is to obviously just move up. Do you understand my question a bit more?
It all comes down to what action will give you the highest hourly $ made, in the end that is all that truly matters, winrate is nice and all but focus on your hourly wage as this is what you would do when applying for any other type of job, it is just the most logical approach and will lead to the most money made.
If i was you, I would stick with 2 tables of 100Nl and bumhunt/game select 1 table of 200Nl to start with, and then gradually increase this to 2 tables of 200Nl and 2 tables of 100nl zone. In my opinion your hourly should be significantly higher this way than playing anymore 50nl zone mixed in.
(Yes i did just advocate bunhunting, but at the start when shotting at a new limit you need to keep your confidence as high as possible, and game selecting hard will ensure the highest probability of your confidence not being shot down. You may find that just the fact that every raise and bet being that bit larger makes you feel somewhat uncomfortable at the beginning, so having the cushion of being on a super weak table will help you progress through this natural state of mind when moving up a limit)
Thanks man i think your right....Im going back and forth on weather or not I should actually drop 100NL Zone all together because eventually I am going to have to anyway because it is the highest level of zone that they offer. Next time I move up, at 400NL I will have to play 4 tables of it with no zone because my hourly will clearly be higher there than 100NL.
All you can do is test the water and see for yourself. When you are playing 400NL+ you can just start playing multiple sites if you feel the need to play more than 4 tables. I don't know all the ins and outs of poker in the states, but im pretty sure you can also play on Carbon? so this is always an option in the future.
Wish you the best of luck/rungood with moving up :)
and always remember that if you had a better hourly winrate at a lower limit then just move back down until you have improved enough to be capable of making more $ per hour at the higher limits.
Winrates will be lower and variance will innately be greater the higher the stakes you play, so never feel the need to stick around at a higher limit if you are breaking even or winning less than at 100NL, just because you feel that you are rolled to be playing the game.
you may be surprised that your hourly $ made on 100NL zone will be close to the same as 200NL+ regular tables, simply due to the volume you get hourly in fast fold games. but like I said you can only test the water and decide for yourself.
think long term - play 2 tables of zone 100nl and 2 tables of 200nl and keep improving your poker skills :)
I actually think I actually decided to drop zone all together. I am a bit tired of not being able to have reads, and play kind of a standard strategy. Hopefully, game selection and getting reads will make up for the volume at Zone!
if you have a job and arent playing full time, and movnig down, or redepositing then absoultely start playing 200nl.
I am playing full-time.... but I made the move up already. :)
Just found this thread, but I think you made the right choice by moving away from Zone. You were absolutely crushing, but in the long run it would have hindered your development as a player as well as your hourly (in my opinion).
Keep stacking does chips man!
You can always get better at Zone. Reads don't really matter, it could be very likely he creates a perfect GTO readless 6max strategy..moves to Canada and becomes the next OTB_Red baron..
but i'm also a bankroll knit :P
nothing wrong with being a zone drone!
wish bovada had zone HUNL i would LURVVVVVVVVVVVVV thattt
Agreed, nothing wrong with zoning and you can always improve, but at a certain point, it's going to be boring to constantly play readless, no?
I don't think I could do it.
I made the switch to 200NL, I know its very likely that I will be making less money than I would at 100NL zoom but I think its going to be better for me overall when it comes to moving up in the future and improving my game. Im currently on a 9 buy-in DS at 200NL but thankfully I have been running very good in MTTs and PLO, so it kind of erased my downswing in holdem which is nice lol. PLO is an amazing game, I know there is a ton of variance but the other players just make so many mistakes at small stakes.
HUD working at Zone?
No
Ive dabbled in 25, 50 Zone and felt that it might almost be unbeatable with anonymous/high rake/no rakeback but its seems like you have def proved me wrong! Whats the best way to bumhunt on bovada? Feel like it would be alot of, sitting at a table, not seeing a ton of mistakes and leaving the table for a new random anonymous table.
I don't know anything about bum hunting man I honestly just sit tables, and do my best to adjust. I leave if everyone is just playing like nits, and not putting any money to the pot but other than that I don't really have any advice in regards to that.
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