2 Table $3/$6 HU NLHE Live Session vs Syous
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First!
Hey all,
I'll be around sporadically to post ITT, but I'm in the middle of finals for university so I'll be pretty busy until the 10th. Hopefully I'll find enough procrastination time to post here, but you never know :p
Ey Ben, really enjoyed the vid.
My question is related to preflop construction of your BB ranges. I´ve noticed that you opt to 3 bet a depolarized range (J8s,QJo,etc) and i wonder if that doesn´t leave your flatting range too weak.
What hands would you consider "bluffs" in that 3betting range? 96s for one? When I say bluffs i mean you are folding to regular size 4bets.
Thanks in advance and good luck with your finals.
Great question Alex.
Rather than artificially divide my range up into bluff combos and value combos I prefer to try to think of a strat that I think is going to maximize my EV. Suited connected stuff works particularly well as part of a polarized range containing lots of big pairs, so I tend to 3bet a lot of them. I'm usually folding to 4bets with hands towards the bottom of that range, 96s usually being a fold for me. One nice thing about a range like mine is that by not having a polarized bluff vs value region I can respond flexibly to different sized 4bets.
As for my flatting range, I don't see why it's too weak. It's supposed to be weak, it's my flatting range :)
Maybe you can help me answer your question by explaining why you think my flatting range is too weak.
Hey Ben, this is for sure one of the top 3 training videos I've watched. Great stuff.
So much of HU is gameflow and strategy in smaller pots. That's why a live video is extremely helpful.
I think I know what Alex is asking about, because there was a similar discussion in the video by Peter Jennings.
If you're not flatting many middling offsuit (QJo/KJo/QTo) as well as middling suited hands pre-flop, then it must be very hard combat pressure by Villian, since you can't really have many of the big draws and big pairs on most boards.
The other thing about that having a fairly weak flatting range pre is that it's going to be hard to c/r many flops, because you simply don't have enough big draws and made hands to do it with. But judging from this video, you don't seem to c/r very much on the flop, contrary to Peter.
Thanks for the clarification. I think I'm consistent in my analysis throughout the video, for instance on the two KJx boards where I flop well IP I go ahead and overbet the flop, saying that my opponent's range should be relatively capped. I don't say that that's bad, but it is bad to let my opponent have a capped range and not take advantage of it. I can def get myself into trouble by checkraising a lot on boards where I almost never have anything, but I don't think I'm guilty of that. Whether or not I'm more incentivized to 3b various middle-high SCs and bways is a tough question to answer, and I usually decide based on the tendencies of my opponents and gameflow.
Chael,
I just wanted to say that the difference in ability between myself and Ben is rather large and that whenever you see a divergence in particular strategical adjustments, I think it's a huge mistake not to default towards Ben's advice. It's been a long time since he and I have played HU but I was severely crushed that time and would suspect that if we played again today I would perform similarly to how Syous did here in that he would just siphon my money off rather effortlessly. Syous has been around for a long time in the mid-high stakes NLHE games and has had a ton of success there from what I know. This video is really great because it shows how large the difference in skill is between a nosebleed crusher and a good mid-hs regular.
Thanks for the video Ben, once I have time to digest more of this through a few more watches I expect to have quite a few questions. Hopefully you'll return to the thread early next week to continue to answer questions.
Beating 10/20 makes you more than qualified to teach us poker, Peter.
There wouldn't be many coaches if they all had to be competitive in the nosebleeds.
Hey Ben love this video and your 3b strategy.
To chime in, I'm not so sure his strategy is "depolarized", perhaps we should ask if the traditional strategy of 3b that most people adopt is TOO POLARIZED. We certainly cant solve the problem, but I think it is likely against someone opening 3x on the button with near 100% of their range that 3b in the mid 20s or higher is at least arguably a good approach to an optimal 3b strategy. IF that is the case then I think it will be difficult to defend to 4b and/or tough to play in 3b pots when an optimal strategy calls A TON of 3b (which it likely should with good odds and position).
The old school super polarized 3b range (tons of pretty random trash and super premiums) is probably flawed in many scenarios. Back in the day such a strategy worked bc everyone folded to 3b too much, which is now not really the case from what I see today with many competent opponents. Who cares if this makes your flatting range OP relatively weaker in a single raised pot?! As Ben said, it is likely supposed to be.
Welcome to RIO! I thought your debut vid was v good, so I'm pumped to have your voice added to the community here.
And thanks for the comment, but I have to admit I ran absurdly well in this video. You'll see Syous strike back in part 2.
Daniel,
My approach to poker has always been highly experimental. If I have some idea in theory, I'm not afraid to try it in practice. Sometimes that works, and sometimes I get absolutely slaughtered (e.g., in WCG challenge). Whatever strategy I play conceptually, I try to execute it well at the tables.
My 3betting strat is also experimental and I'm always tweaking it. I hope this version of it gives you guys some ideas to try out in your games.
I think he means it's too weak because you are 3b a lot of big card and premium suited connectors that many other people choose to call pre instead.
I'm still confused. That seems like an observation that I play different from other people by having a weaker preflop calling range. Why is it "too weak?" I can't read your minds!
great video!
min 4.30 you 3bet KJ and barrel AQ44 , why is this turn card a good one to barrel as a bluff? now the kicker don't matter anymore so I would assume he can call more easily with Qx and Ax the 3barrel.
min 25.40 you check/call 8d2d twice with the flush draw and say you're gonna lead some rivers like the Ace pairs and balance that with little leads?
What other card could you lead as a bluff here? Did you mean that you were going to lead small on an Ace river? I would be afraid to give him good odds to call with any pair considering your value combos of Ax are not too many.
Thank you, can't wait to see second part !
@4:30-Why doesn't the kicker matter? AK plays. I shouldn't have a ton of AJ in my betting range, right?
@25:40- I'll lead some board pairs. It's not about getting him to fold pairs, it's about getting him to fold the bluff portion of his polarized turn barrel range. 8 high doesn't even beat his bluffs !
Keep in mind that although I'm betting small there's a lot of volume of hands that can bet a small size for value on those cards.
Ben & Britney (lol that sounds so cool to me):
To chime in, I love the double barrel on AQ44 from a pure range strength and balance perspective...
For value: on this turn he has 6 combos of Boats and maybe 4-5 combos of 4x (3b bluff) suited hands like Q4, J4, 74, 34 that he decided to bet flop with (depending on his frequencies although I think it is correct to probably do that some of the time with bottom pair on a board where your range dominates your opponents from a nuttiness standpoint). He also has 9 combos of 2 pair (AQ) and 36 combos of Top Pair (AK, AJ AT). I think you should bet AT and AJ on both flop and turn here bc of all the weak Ax hands our opponent will defend to a pot sized 3b. Thus we have 55-56 value hands on the turn.
For Bluffs: On this turn I think bluffing all of our gutshots is a great option (KJ, KT, JT and like a 53 suited or something) due to how robust their equity is. That gives us 40 combos. Again I assuming Ben is 3b hands like JT suited and KT suited bc of how "depolarized" his 3b range is as other posters have put it...(I however think that it is polarized just fine and will discuss this topic in a post below). Also he will have around 20ish flush draws with no show down value that he will probably elect to double barrel here as well. Thus, he has around 60ish bluffs (im cool with this bc of how much robust equity our bluffing range on turn has).
All in all that seems like a pretty dope strategy to me on this board against a hypothetical opponent.
I think that's about right as a good skeleton of how to put together a range here. Because IP can't raise and all of our bluffs have at least four outs we can get around 1:1 bluff:value on the turn even though we only have two fairly small bets in play.
5:46 ATdd on Kd6c4s You say that the hand is too strong to start barreling and check back. When the 9h hits and Syous donks you fold without much thought. I use this reasoning quite a lot myself but then I chicken out on any aggression from my opponent. I feel like we have too much equity against his entire range to fold here but mainly I would prefer just cbetting the hand to avoid making a bad fold on the turn.
It's an EV thing. So, maybe we win half the pot if we successfully check it down. Say it gets checked down 40% of the time (ballpark), so maybe we win 20% of the flopped pot UI if we check back flop. If we bet we have to win more than that, and I think versus stationy people it's a hard parlay to make.
hey really enjoyed the video !
one question , last hand u overbet JJ on KJ4cc considering your reasoning i'm having a hard time understanding what type of hands you will have on your bluffing/semi bluffing range when you use that sizing
Adrenal,
I can have all kinds of stuff. Draws, draw blockers, or hands that block calling hands but lack sufficient showdown value all work well.
Did you watch the video carefully? Ben overbet multiple times on boards that villain didn't hit hard with weak to no draw.
My NLHE knowledge is very very vey :) limited and i'm having troubles building ranges thats why i posted this Q.
However i thik this answer was great : "I can have all kinds of stuff. draw blockers, or hands that block calling hands but lack sufficient showdown value all work well."
because if he told me that i can have all kinds of stuff like 64o and 78o etc i would be super confused :)
With the K6cc @ 15.26, when you c/r the J94cc, bet the turn 2d, and c/f the 9 river, what's the bottom of your c/c range when he shoves - A high with no clubs or is that too thin?
Ben,
Based on the way you were playing It seems you really have very few Jx in your chk/raising range there though and very few AJ-QJ type hands there preflop. Is this something specific to your general gameplan or was this instead an adjustment to your opponent? Which river cards would you be prone to follow through on a 3 barrel bluff in that instance?
You're right, I'll probably have very few Jx besides J4s. I just meant Jx as the theoretical borderline based on how big the pot is and what IP's range should like in this spot. In practice I'll probably be quite polarized here and so my range should default to lots of betting. It's a funny spot because the 9x makes various value combos less likely for me, and my range is "built" on repping various draws, so when they all miss that's an obviously weak card for my range. But I think it's more of a weak card in terms of the freq that I can continue; when I do continue I'll have a very nutty range. Honestly this is an uncommon spot that's tricky to figure out range v range on in the moment. I'd generally expect my range to be polarized relative to his though, so my default would be to bet + balance with bluffs, planning on checking exploitatively sometimes based on reads.
82dd Table 2 ~25:00
Can you go into more detail on having a river leading strategy after x/ca twice? Not necessarily your exact strategy, but maybe go into a bit more detail on the strategy in general. By having a leading range on an A river after x/ca fl and tu, it seems like your saying "I have too many strong hands in my checking range on an A river, so I can take some of those hands and put them into a leading range for value while still having a protected river checking range. I need to balance that leading range with some bluffs. Busted flushdraws seem like the best ones." Is that in the ballpark and am I missing anything else?
31:40 Ah9d on Td54d,8 Table 1. Why is this hand a part of your turn x/r range? Is it b/c it's not strong enough to x/ca turn but it's near the top of your x/f range, so x/r bluff it?
@82dd hand- I'll maybe go into this later, but it's something I do that is still experimental for me and I don't feel confident telling you guys to do it. Focus on the fact that we have ~20% range equity and probably realize a lot more than 100% of it versus a tough opponent's river barrelling strategy. That should be enough to make the call near breakeven.
@Ah9d- The hand does well checking down vs weaker A highs and strong K highs, but does badly against turn betting ranges that include thin value hands. Syous already vbet A9 on 5525 after flop xx, and vbet T4hh after 863cc xx Ac xbc T, so I made a slight adjustment that he's likely delay cbetting a fairly capped and wide range. In those circumstances xc loses value as a line relative to xr and xf, and I just decided to go for it.
Dear Community,
I have duly taken note of the fact that this vid has gotten more likes in the first 4 hours than my botting video did in 2 weeks.
It's been several minutes since I finished the video and part 2 doesn't appear to be up yet...
poor syous
serious and non poker strat, but why are you still taking finals?
Syous is getting a great deal here. He gets to play a top 5 HUNL player, while playing at stakes that are lower than he usually plays at. The longterm EV he gains by improvement and motivation is likely greater than the EV he loses on skill disadvantage.
poker strat Q-
What factors are taken into consideration when choosing an overbet size? From my understanding, we'd like to do it with against a capped range, with a polarized range. I would think we'd look at how many overbet nut hands we'd have, figure out how many bluffs we could possibly have, and figure it out our sized based on that.
If we were playing PLO and on the river with a range of nut flushes and nut fl blockers with infinite stacks, how big do you decide to overbet?
For example, I put in Qs6s4s9d3c board, As*s** is 7410 hands, and As***!As*s is 7770 hands. Since 7770/(7770+7410) means villain should call vs an inf ai, lets say we choose to bluff with 4940 combos of As blocker, leaving our range was 40% bluffs/60% value. Do we choose to 2x pot then? If we want to bluff more with As, do we try to have some awareness of our range and bet bigger? Is there a reasonable way to look at the EV of the overall strategy, as I'm sure the EV(PSB with 2nut:1blocker) will be different than EV(2xPSB with 3nuts:2blockers). If we had a max possibility of only 4940 nf blockers, would we ever want to go over 2x pot on the river?
Thank you for any help, I've been stuck on the concept
Great question. I'll give you the answer now, and the theoretical justification in an upcoming episode of Toy Gaming.
"I Bet it All"
You should bluff x<7409 blocker combos and bet inf (the precise value of x is up for debate b/c of blocker demonstrated below). If we only have 4940 blockers he should still bet inf as it gives him the opportunity to make the biggest mistake. If we only bet 2x pot he cannot make a mistake, and he could probably profitably call with a lot high s blockers of his own (ie KJT9ssss would block way more of our nut flush combos than our nut blocker combos).
thx guys, I plugged some numbers in excel, and it seems to conclude just keep going bigger to inf. Wasn't 100% sure
1/[(sqrt(2)*sqrt(1-x)] - 1 = optimal bet size (in stack to pot ratio) where x is your equity vs. villain's range. When x approaches 1, the optimal bet size approaches infinity. The equation is worth looking into, because not many intuitively realise how drastically your betsizing should change when your equity increases. For example with 75% equity you should bet ~2/5 of the pot, but with 85% equity you should bet over 4/5 of the pot!
EDIT: Also great vid Ben! I dabble so much at HU this video offers content for multiple times to watch.
@Lazy, do you have any supplemental info on that equation? Or is it jsut in MoP?
Two more specific questions would be, what does optimal betsize mean? (my answer would be betsize that maximizes EV) and why do we choose to bet so small on in 4b pots, more specifically on A hi dry, spots where we are a lot of equity? And then we should be betting smaller on wet boards when equities run closer?
Also, the syntax is slightly off if anyone is copy and pasting the equation: 1/[(sqrt(2)*sqrt(1-x)] - 1, needs the first "(" removed
Hi,
That equation might (or atleast it should!) be in MoP - I took from elsewhere though. Check AKQ-game with no-limit betting. It's the same concept and illustrates in depth what the optimal bet size means.
Your PLO example with nut flush & nut flush blockers is essentially like the AKQ game, where nut flush is an ace and nut flush blocker is a queen. With both hands you know that villain can only have a bluff catcher - a king.
For example, you're on the river and your range consists solely of nut flushes and nut flush blockers, pot is 1 and your stack is 1, and it's checked to you. You'd bet pot with your nut flushes (let's say 8 combos) and bluff accordingly (4 combos, s/(1+s)). If you have more nut combos than bluffs (ratio of 10:4), you can use 2 of them as inducers. If you have more bluffs than nut combos (8:6), you'd shutdown with 2 combos.
However, optimal does not equal to EV maximizing (the famous 2+2 fallacy!). If you had a read that your villain will never fold his 2nd nut flush to a PSB, even though he should fold 66,7% of the time, you would improve your EV by not bluffing at all. However, when you stop bluffing he could again improve by starting to fold 100% instead of 0%. Hence you strive to bluff with the optimal frequency and your villain cannot do anything about it.
@ lazysummerdays Along with range v. range equity, doesn't composition of ranges matter as well? Is it already assumed that we are polarized v. a bluffcatching range?
DirtyD
Hi,
Yes, they certainly do matter! If by composition of ranges you mean that in real life we end up on the river often with more holdings than just nut flushes/nut blockers. E.g. we probably want to bet our 2nd nuts and 2nd nut blockers with some frequency as well, and not just be 100% polarized. But in order to illustrate the concept of "how much to bet with nuts/nut blockers" I had to simplify a lot.
As you can see from the equation, we should bet always less the further we deviate from having 100% equity against villain's range. So with 2nd nut flush we should theoretically bet less than with nut flush. However, such strategy with bet sizing linearly correlated to our hand strength would be quite easy to counter. Depending on what our range is on the river, some/all of our nut combos need to be bet with a similar sizing than our weaker holdings (again depending on how many different bet sizings we want to have on river).
37min
You raise Js5d, he calls. Kc5c3s k/k. Turn: Kh b/c. River: 4c. He bets 1.5x pot and you call quickly.
He hasn't shown the propensity to turn 3x or 4x into a bluff into this spot. Flush, 67, A2 all get there: what are we beating?
4FT,
Good question, and one I think a lot of people have. Here's a clue:
Anything less than A high is "bluffable" on the turn. Count em' up!
Is this a GTO call or exploitive Sauce? J5oo doesn't seem to block much of his overbet value betting range...
I'm not sure. I felt pretty indifferent with J5o at the time.
watched 8 min so far and I instantly clicked on the heart Button. Great video format, great gameplay. Excellent job! :-)
First question: So this guy is very loose from the BTN, opening almost 100%. How would you adjust your 3betting game against someone who is significantly tighter, sth between 60-70%? To be more precise, Do you still like 3betting mediocre SC like 96s, or do you prefer calling them and only 3bet the premium SCs like 98s?
Secondly: Can you talk a bit more about the K9o 16:10 overbet 110% pot on the turn? Well I get the point rougly why we wanna have a big sizing on the turn. Although I like to use the bigger sizings with stronger Draws like Gutshot+FD. Is that good? Honestly, I never use this kind of sizing. I go either close to pot or 150% pot. The sizing issue might be trivial, anyhow I hope to get a little explanation about this spot. :-)
Good question, but I'm shying away from doing hand chart-y type things, especially in the comments section. I'll try and give you the tools to make your own adjustments as my videos continue. As a preliminary, when btn open freq increases both our 3b and flat call increases, and the opposite as his freq decreases. If you capture that relationship in your play you'll have done well, don't get hung up on being too precise.
As for the K9, it just comes down to me visualizing his range and then making the betsize that I think performs best against it. The sizing with a hand like K9o isn't a huge deal. The one thing I think you need to realize is that if you limit your overbets to only nutty draws and nutty hands, opponent exploits you both by overfolding the turn and by overfolding rivers where draws hit.
Just wanted to say excellent job, loved the video. Love your beard also. Are you recording this over Movember? :)
Also, the fact that you and Lefort share an office is awesome.
More of the same would be great!
Outstanding video once again.
I am very interested in how you construct your flop range in the QTs hand at 12:00. I can only assume you are checking to call a bet not c/r...how heavily does the bdfd influence this decision? Intuitively to me it seems like a better hand for our cb range given we have a draw which is low in unimproved showdown value relative to our continuing range and brick turns will be real not fun to play. So I am interested in which draws are best suited to each action (c/r, c/c, cb) and which made hands will be used to balance each. Obviously most hands will feature in more than one range with a reasonable frequency but from a vacuum standpoint which will they be weighted towards. If you could talk a little about how you go about tackling such a dynamic spot from a game theory standpoint with many seemingly valid possibilities for how to play pretty much any hand you can have it would be amazing.
Good luck in your finals! I'm sure you don't need it.
The only really bad turn for us is an ace, right? I guess baby hearts are a bit dicey too. I think I can sometimes get a little street on both of those turns as well, doing some leading or checkraising, and even leading river on the baby heart turns when the river is another heart.
I don't really have a good GTO framework for figuring out how to play that flop, it's just really tricky. Or, I mean, I don't think that flop is a black box or something w/r/t GTO play, but there isn't really any easy way to compute a range that isn't exploitable in some way or other. So I try and mix up my play based on various exploitative factors or my mood or w/e.
Are you implying we have an easy c/c on non-ace turns? If he bets 75 on flop and 180 into 240 on the 5c for example we need 30% equity which we might just about have vs his 2barrel range but I struggle to see a river strategy that has us realising close to all of our turn equity. What am I missing? Leading this turn seems pretty decent though and a nice way to play certain made hands too...was that the plan?
Why don't you think we'll realize close to 100% of our turn equity when we x/c QTss on a 5c turn?
Because we are out of position without the impetus with a capped range vs a strong opponent.
Stephen,
I don't see how being out of position with a capped range vs a strong opponent has much to do with how much equity we realize with QTss. Can you expand on that?
It seems obvious our range isn't capped on at least the Ko/8o!
Yeah there are clearly quite a few rivers we become uncapped on. I guess the biggest reason I feel this way is that we will almost never win the pot unimproved when Q hi is the best hand and on the Kh and 8h our opponent will check back his made hands and bet a balanced range of flushes and bluffs. It wont get checked down that often so someone is gunna have an edge right? I can't see many arguments for why it would be us. Who does better on heart rivers? Bluff leading them doesn't seem good with no blockers vs someone who has shown a propensity to hero.
Pretty sure he's betting wider than flushes on heart rivers. It will be hard to win with Q high though on runouts like the 5c 3s. But who knows, maybe he'll chicken out with T8?
You think he is betting JJ on the Kh? Should he? Seems awful to me. Do you think that we have a playability edge on the river or that neither player has a playability edge?
Hmm is it good more than half the time you call? Given how much sense your line makes with flushes and how rarely (I assume) you would play 99 this way and how heavily he blocks 2pr it seems pretty optimistic. Guess I'm just a nit.
Ben and Stephen, Interesting convo:
W/r/t the QTs hand at 12:00....
First let me say that to Cbet QTs here is obviously the standard play but given the dynamic of the match, it aint a bad candidate to check call the flop and go for a check raise on turn or river.
This is one of those Flops where, especially against a suspicious opponent, a cbet is only going to get folds like 25-30% of the time given this board is towards the top of the "favorability" spectrum for the SB 3b calling range. My rough calculations see an opponent calling around 300 of a typical 400 combo 3b flat calling range in HUNL. Additionally, if you want to bluff optimally on the river QT will be a dicey candidate for 3 barrels bc of how high it is in our draw range (Q8, T8, and lower rag missed flush draws probably will randomize better). So QT will often show up as only a 2 barrel bluff not a 3 barrel.
At the end of the day the whole point of bluffing draws is that we need the fold equity to make them profitable. Therefore we need to ask where is it most likely I will gain the most fold equity? Given that the opponent Ben was playing has shown a propensity to make thin value bets, I think Ben will get more fold equity from a later street check raise than w/ earlier cbets in this scenario. Thus, perhaps taking hands like QT/KT and putting them in our "check call to check raise later range" makes sense against this opponent on this particular board.
Stephen, I think your estimation of people's 2x c/c range on this board is very off in a 3b pot. This is very often a pot control line with something like TT, 9x, or weak/middling Jx and sometimes stronger pairs. For obvious reasons many players do not c/c twice with flush draws at a high frequency. I believe what Ben is saying about realizing equity at a very high frequency with QT is that the opponent's value range is narrow because he will require 2pair+ on many runouts by this river and his bluff range should also be correspondingly narrow.
You are saying both that the villain should be betting very narrow for value on river (i.e. no sets on a flush board) AND that Ben cannot realize his equity with QTs very often. Those things cannot possibly be consistent unless his opponent is somehow bluffing an extraordinarily unbalanced range on the river.
Great stuff as always Ben. Listening to your thought process on the fly was really interesting.
24:40- the Q9 hand where you turn top 2, you mention you'd shove some other hands sometimes.
1)What kind of range are you shoving here?
2)At what stack depths would you be raising Q9(if at all) and how would deeper stacks affect your range from question 1?
3)Obv the more aggro/barrel'y the player, the more you'd call. Is there any other considerations/adjustments you'd make depending on player types? vs Nit/Tag/Lag/Maniac (I know this is kind of vague)
I like to look at how the board texture and his frequencies and his PF range fit to see how drawy the turn actually is for his range. So, for instance, if I know he's very polarized pre, I'll slowplay more because he'll have less gutters (KJo etc) on the turn and likely more air or AK.
In general, my advice is to slowplay a lot unless his double barrel freq is way out of line. You'll always get value from overpairs/AQ and you'll strengthen your calling range. The EV difference between jam and call is usually pretty minor with 100bb and calling everything is much simpler.
SO sick.... im still dizzy , can only imagine how that poor guy musta felt
Did you abandon your limping strategy from the WCGRider match or are you just holding it back from public vids?
I've been informed with typical WCG Rider bluntness that my limp strategy sucks, and so I've retired it for now.
Min 1.00- If you'r betting 97 on a AK10x board does that means your betting with all your air here? Could you also explain why overbetting on the turn is better than betting under pot.
I don't think that means I'm betting all of my air, no. Overbetting is a decent option because my range has the nuts more often than his.
hey ben great vid man
I noticed on paired boards you c-bet around half pot is that your general sizing on paired boards? why do you prefer that to your normal 3/4 or pot c-bet?
you also slow played trips on a paired board one IP and one OOP both happened at the same time did this influence you at all or not? and why did you prefer to slow play rather than c-bet or c/r. My thought for slowplaying oop with 69o on 66Tr was that syous has a somewhat polarized c-betting range so he is more than likely going to be betting atleast 2/3 streets on most runouts or is it for balance because you float light on this flop or a mix of both.
but i dont understand checking back trips considering we c-bet every other paired board or is it just to fuck with him?
the 79o bluff on AQ4xxd 4d why is this a great turn card if we don't fire river considering how polarized our range is? isn't none of his range folding this turn? or do you expect for him to fold most Qx's TJ/KT/JK on turn and that is enough to make your turn bet profitable? and do you jam any river apart from a ten?
i also don't understand why you checked back AA on 853hhc (i think). if i remember correctly we had the Ah so we blocked most Ax floats but that is very small portion of his range. is it because you planned to have a smaller c-bet % than normal?
another thought, when syous see's us check back AA here the right adaption is to start to c/r flop a high % and calling down light so if we take this lesser EV line a couple of time it can potentially reap alot more EV latter when we stop doing it and villain has a wrong view of what our range is in certain spots. am i right in thinking this a viable reason take this line every so often? it's something i never do slow play flop, i never thought it fit well with a good strategy but it looks like i was very wrong
sorry if some or all of this doesn't make much sense or is a waste of time answering
cheers again for the video mate very solid. you could also try out 20 mins of live game play and then 20 mins going through the hands again and spotting mistakes
Pick what's most important to you in that paragraph and we can discuss that. I've talked about a lot of the topics you wrote about in other parts of this thread as well.
Ben,
At 9:45 when you hold Kd2d on 5s9TAs and you double barrel....
This seems like you would be bluffing a little too much in this spot perhaps If indeed you bet your spade draws and straight draws (which you may not I guess, but they seem like great bluffs on this turn). I mean Kd2d is not really on the "bluffing with equity train" and kinda seems a bit too airy. I mean you are right he will fold weak 9x hands but I certainly wouldn't in the future after I saw you double barrel with Kd2d on this turn.
You have about 99 combos of Overpairs, Sets, Two Pair, and Top pair decent kicker (JT or better) on this turn for value and 88 combos of OESD and Gutshots...add in some BDF Spades that turned FD and you are probably good to go with over 100 bluffs on the turn...Obv there is no way to know exact optimal bluff/value frequency on turn and a lot of your bluffs have good equity so I guess throwing in some random bluffs with no equity may not be that bad as long it is kept under wraps (which I am sure you are capable of doing). However, it would seem tough to balance on this turn to not get carried away for a non computer mind. Especially given the fact that your Kx is beating all non made hands...maybe Q2 or J2 would be better candidates?
Great video, great content...keep running the streets.
-Daniel
I was stuck like 100k on one table of 50/100 ante plo at the time I made this video. I was on semi-tilt basically the entire video and I was going for a ton of bluffs in spots where I felt they were at least OK. That K2dd is a good example, it might be OK, but it's not exactly a great play. There's one spot in particular in the 2nd video where I think I made a bad barrel because I was tilty, see if you can catch it.
I don't mean to say I think I played bad in this vid, I think I played pretty well, maybe my B- game. I just mean that I was erring on the side of aggression in most spots. If I was on full blown tilt you would have definitely seen me 3barrel that KcJd hand, among others :p
Your B- game is still pretty good then! totally understandable and happens to everyone. Interestingly, such plays are definitely a relatively safe way to tilt..."Im gonna barrel more often than I should in spots where they will likely fold and never find out." Maybe a funny video would be "how to tilt responsibly". lol
hey Ben, my question is about taking passive lines with high equity hands on the flop. at the 36:00 min mark you c/c 69o on 66Tr and check back 59o on 997ss, you also check back the AA on 853hh and also Kh8x on AJ7hhh
is there something i don't get about our hand strength and board texture on why checking back or c/c is better than c/r or c-bet, or are you just balancing your check back range and doing so randomly or do these hands fit better into that range than others? if so why? if its random do you have a ball park figure on say 1000 hands HU on how often you slow play a nutty hand on flop. i know this will vary from villain to villain it's just that i don't really have a nutty checking back range or even a c/c range and i don't know how to proceed to construct a good one and what warrants one
1 more question, was this just for the video or are them Jxs and what not standard defends against a moderate 3 bettor?
cheers Ben again easily best video you have here and probably best on the site
Thanks for clarifying, really good question.
This is kind of a delicate point, but I think something that's true of hold em' and particularly no limit is that if you just bet the top of your range and the bottom of your range on the flop you'll end up getting exploited by aggro strats on the later streets. I wouldn't worry too much about this though until you're at the 5/10+ level. Honestly, I'm still not sure how to play this spot and I don't think the other top players are either, aside from the fact that it isn't unexploitable to always bet the nuts on the flop.
In practice I like to show up with unexpected stuff in certain spots that I think are exploitative of the current metagame, and then as I get reads on my opponent I like to show up with unexpected stuff in spots where I think they'll adjust poorly.
Maybe two other points will help. I don't slowplay hands just for the sake of "balancing my range" where "balancing my range" means something like "sacrificing EV in a vacuum in order to be unpredictable." I generally think playing hands in the unexpected ways I play them doesn't cost me much or any vacuum EV and also makes me tougher to play against. Or sometimes I play hands in weird ways just because I'm not sure if the standard way or the weird way is best in a vacuum, so I'll experiment with both lines.
I can't really find a proper wording for this so I'll just write my scrambled thoughts and hope you will be able to give me a good reply !
Basically I don't understand how having say a flop or turn c/r range makes sense vs other unknown but perceived non-fishy players. It would seem like we should always base our decisions on the individual EV of the hand, however if we (almost) always c/r the nutty parts of our range, we will have a lot of trouble finding a reasonable defending frequency on later streets without having to use extremely weak hands. It's like those 2 things were completely different areas in my head and I can't put them together in my head to make sense of it. Like if hypothetical villain is say, the type to "never" fold to aggression and is also very aggressive himself (first one would indicate that we should be going thinner for value, 2nd that we should slowplay, both to protect our range vs his barrels and the EV of just calling down and possibly c/r'ing rivers will outweigh the EV of cr).
Making matters even worse, after c/r on the flop there are like 47x46 combinations of turns/rivers where not protecting our equity on the flop will often suck, as well as often runouts will disable us from c/ring rivers. Now if I'm playing say zoom or whatever with reasonably big playerpools, would you agree it makes sense to play in a more, what I would describe as a fluent/balanced/passive style where I am just making sure I am not overfolding on any of the streets based on pot odds alone and just hoping that creates for a situation where my frequencies are better than my opponents. I guess this would pretty much fall under the "bet/raise top/bottom parts of range and check/call everything else" strategy
Interesting question. Let me know if this helps,
@first paragraph- If villain is playing in the way you describe you exploit him by folding more often on the flop and less often later. Whether you raise with a strong range or call with a strong range depends on whether he's more stationy or more aggro.
@2nd paragraph- I agree that if you're going to trim your strategic options to 2 on flop, 2 on turn, and 3 on river, then xc/xc/xcr is the way to do it. I think this sort of strat is very different from "bet/raise polarized and xc the rest,"- that's a way of playing in position with the initiative.
I'm a fan of small tweaks to my strategy rather than top down changes, at least most of the time. If you feel like you're improving your game by making a precise strategy that only takes account of fewer strategic options, then keep doing it. But if you think you're falling behind the metagame, you might have to broaden your outlook. It's up to you, ultimately.
Also when you pot AK2r w 97o and say that you have blockers to A9/A7 (I guess implying that you block what should be almost the strongest parts of his range with strong Ax hands), is there any real difference between any of the combos from the nonpaired combinations from 9-3 as they all block his A9-A3 hands ? How is blocking these valuehands of his better than not blocking them so we aren't blocking his folding range (so we have whatever else don't want to block his 97o so he can just fold it). Not sure if that makes any sense, I think I just have this reverse-blocker problem that has somehow developed in my head where like any time we are using blockers for bluffing so that we block his valuehands, it seems to me like we are also blocking his bluffhands or hands that we want him to fold, mostly applicable to situations where we like triple Qx on JT9xx or whatever so that villain can fold his own Qx or pair+straightdraw. A bit more applicable for 6max I guess since people don't really fold pairs in HU
Also for my last post - basically my question was could you at least give me some rope as to what are the issues of a strategy where assuming villain has a single betsize of 3/4 PSB and we only have a call or fold strategy pre-river (so we are just folding bottom 35-40% OTF, 35-40% OTT and then have a river raise/call/fold strat). Does an overly simplified strategy like this give up too much in EV compared to alternatives ?
You're right about 97 blockers. That's an exploitative bluff against people who randomize their Ax calling range based on strength of kicker. Lucky for me about 95% of midstakes+ players randomize by strength of kicker :)
You're suggesting midstakes players c/f some Ax to a two barrel on A hi boards? That seems crazy to me.
3 barrels. Because my equity is so low 97dd is a fairly bad 2barrel hand but pretty good 3barrel hand.
thanks a lot for the replies Ben !
Run so good! nice video:)
perfect video !! more hu video of you would be great everyone notices that heads up is ur true strength
I had a question about this 89s hand that you 3bet, c-bet on 876dd then chk/called the turn. I was thinking I'd generally go right into chk/call mode on this flop but the more I think about it, it's probably best to use this as b/3b against our opponent's likely perceived wide bluffing range.
Would you prefer to check this holding on brick turns? What about overcards? If you are two barreling I'd have to assume you are going to chk and call when you river a straight?
Also, there's a spot you 3bet JJ then c-bet ~75% pot on 972r then bet again ~75% pot on a badugi 3. On balance, this doesn't seem optimal to me, particularly based on the amount of equity either player's potential drawing hands has and the limited nature of either player potentially holding drawing combos on a board like this. It seems more natural to me to make a bet size of slightly less than half pot and that if we are betting so large here with our strong value hands that we both isolate the stronger parts of his range and get more folds from his showdown bound stuff that we beat. We also give him fewer opportunities to read us as relatively weak and try to bluff raise.
Do you think my reasoning for wanting to be smaller is poor? If so, which reasons do you think aren't relevant and what do you think your larger sizing on this type of a board accomplishes?
Well I get what you are trying to do. I was trying to ask how much merit you felt my points had and if you disagreed with my reasoning for making smaller bets, could you expand a bit more as to why you feel my points are without merit?
w/r/t the JJ hand, unless a couple of overcards hit or a straight completes, we basically have the nuts in my mind. So I'm not worried about "isolating the strong parts of his range" because I beat those too. Often the showdown bound stuff and the stronger parts of his range have similar amounts of equity against our hand as well, making protection nice.
Sorry for the barrage of questions ... there are just some things that you do that would never even cross my mind to consider as possibilities...
You defend Ah9d in BB, flop T54dd, chk / chk, turn 8o and you declare "here I will checkraise" ...but then you didn't explain at all what reasons you had for doing that. Could you please expand a bit on why you chose to c/r there? I would have thought it's too strong there to c/f and would likely have chk/called. Maybe you think it's too weak to c/c but too strong to c/f so you c/r? I just don't get it.
Villain's range shouldn't have 67,55,44,TT,T5,T4 after he checks back flop. We could have some of those combos. We could also make a weak pair fold (on the turn or on the river) and we might get called by draws that have 30% equity against us on the turn.
I wouldn't worry about the A9d hand. My play isn't particularly good there, I just decided to take a shot at his delay cbetting range since I thought it might have been sort of out of line. The conditions were in place to make my play at least OK: he was delay cbetting thin, delay cbet bluffing, and my hand is on the border of xf xc or xr.
Ben already explained this. I´ll post his answer:
@Ah9d- The hand does well checking down vs weaker A highs and strong K highs, but does badly against turn betting ranges that include thin value hands. Syous already vbet A9 on 5525 after flop xx, and vbet T4hh after 863cc xx Ac xbc T, so I made a slight adjustment that he's likely delay cbetting a fairly capped and wide range. In those circumstances xc loses value as a line relative to xr and xf, and I just decided to go for it.
Another question came to mind - when you are constructing a c/c range on the flop as the caller preflop and are trying to get to a certain threshold (say using the min. def. freq. from MOP) of hands for calling, how do you decide whether to prefer raw equity hands (so AX maybe even KX) or hands that have strong backdoor potential but are never good at SD. It would seem like the first section of hands will be played for their overcard/SD value on most boards and the latter we will be forced to bluff or hit for the most part. I guess an example would be something like A6o on J54r vs 98s.
Seems especially difficult as when running sims in CREV we won't really be able to calculate the EV of hitting a backdoor-something and getting paid off so it would seem like there is some hidden EV in that where as for A6o its pretty straightforward.
Thanks again for replying to a ton of questions in your video threads - that's basically one of the best part of any video and significantly better than a guy making a video and then giving like 2 replies in the thread, much appreciated !
D0zer,
Good question, but way too broad.
I've renewed my membership just to see this video and I have no word for it... It's the best video I've ever seen. Thank you so much ! What are you studying at college by the way ? (Edit: oh nevermind I found my answear online: philosophy ! Funny thing since its also what I am studying) I'm back there too and I find it difficult to organize myself and play poker on the side. It's like I can do one thing or the other but both of them dont mix well for me. Do you have any tips ? My best idea so far is banning myself from PS.
Edit: It's especially difficult regarding to losses. I saw the comments and you were saying you lost 100k before making the vid playing plo. How do you manage to study after a 10bi losses? I would just want to grind the hell out of it.... Thats what I did this week end anyway. Also, my worst game happens when I am not supposed to play. It's like my mind is somewher else. I know I have to study but I play instead and then I have a big losing session and then I have to grind more to recover it...
So how do you organize yourself mentally in order to deal with those losses so that it doesnt prevent you to study your finals efficiently ?
Edit2: Now I realy feel like an asshole for ranting about your previous bot videos.
I'm a big fan of a program called tiltbreaker and I'm the king of using the responsible gaming feature to self ban myself while I'm studying for an exam or something.
On the QTs hand at 12:00 that you and Stephen were discussing where you C/R the river...
When you check-raise the river so big what kind of bluffs could you expect yourself to have? It seems like he's going to have a ten often enough that there that there has to be some cap on the amount you can make it if you want to conceivably have a bluff range there.
I'm generally blown away by this video and honestly watching it makes me lose confidence in myself because it's just on another level. Thank you for answering all of the other members' questions. I'm very impressed with the time you have taken to do so.
Thanks for the kind words man! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I can bluff with anything I want. By assuming he'll always call with Tx you presuppose that bluffing will be -EV. He probably needs to play a mixed strat with Tx to make me indifferent with my bluffs. So if we think he'll always call or always fold with Tx then we'll end up with an explo strat of some kind.
~26mins you open T8ss, cbet 744ss, syous calls. Turn 4o and you mention T8ss isn't a good hand to brl since it has blockers.
Which hands are good candidates to bluff? A lot of our A hi w/o spades will either be vbets or seem to play better as checks, and a hand like T8cc doesn't block anything really, but maybe helps fold out some of his Q or K hi?
We don't want spades cause we're folding his flop floats w/ spade, and we don't want 8x because A8o is in his flop x/c range.
~40mins, you open AdQh, ch back Tc7d4h, ch Js, and syous bets 9s. If he checked are you just checking AQ? Or are you getting to the river with a decent amount of Q or K hi for bluffs that elected to not cbet and bet turns
This is the stuff I want to see from sauce! Great video! Anything of you playing live is gonna be great on here!
Great vid Ben, a couple Qs:
1) There are quite a few spots where you barrel with little equity vs. Sious' calling range. For instance, the K5o at 35 minute mark where you barrel down on 982TT. It seems like you have soooo many hands which can semi-bluff this turn (any 6, 7, J, Q, hearts) that including a hand like K5o in your barrelling range leads to a bluff heavy betting range. How do you go about balancing your ranges when you don't have a set criteria for barrelling such as: "Any gut shot or better = barrel"? It seems difficult to keep a good grasp on your ranges if you can barrel as widely as you do sometimes so I'm curious if you have any advice on how to do it!
2) I've heard it many times from you and other coaches but still don't quite get it. Could you please explain why you want to betting very large when your opponent has a capped range?
Thank you!
@Q1- At the expert level it's more of a visualization/spatial/geometrical thing than a conceptual thing. So, I'm trying to barrel when it "fits", I guess, or when I think I can see it's going to get me some EV. The way to get there is to play a lot and look at exactly how ranges interact on a specific board texture while taking into account timing and gameflow and stats. I wouldn't worry much about the K5 barrel, it usually isn't going to be worth much anyways, probably +- 3bbs relative to checking unless OOP is playing really sloppy.
@Q2- Look at the post with Teggy KGB in it.
100th like from me:)
OK I'll try a simpler question - when trying to analyze a hand in CREV, how do you go about the fact that clearly our flop decision is affected by the fact that there are 2 unknown streets to come, and even though we can simulate them by random, the combination of different runouts is just far too many (all of which significantly alter our EV for hands on the flop) to make for any sort of decent analysis.
Like say I am trying to come up with a strong balanced strategy for 6max UTGvsBB on 842r. After inserting the preflop ranges and the flop what should my next move be ? Do I just pick a betsize (2/3rd seems alright for a dry texture like this but thats about the depth of my analysis regarding the spot), make UTG defend a "minimum" amount to it by calling and split UTGs range 50% to compare the EVs of either action ?
After that it seems like I should somehow adjust for the facts that I might get c/red or that there are 2 more streets to come on which I don't want to leave my checking range too open for exploitation so probably move some of the weaker valuebets to check back range, however then I am going against what I think is a rule of you know, every hand has to be played in the most +EV manner and altering lines for the sake of balance or whatever isn't really a valid concept.
Sorry for spamming in your video threads, it's just that I feel like I am starting to get the grasp of things a bit but still lacking some crucial information that I can't figure out myself ...
I appreciate your discussion and contributions in the thread, but at this point you're asking questions that aren't even really tangentially related to the vid. I'll keep abstract topics like this in mind for future theory videos though.
This is one of the best videos that i ever seen on this site. I admire how you force to your opponent to the limit in every single situation. Thanks for share that.
I have a few questions about some of the plays you did on the video:
Min 10 K2dd. Is the turn barrel balance ? Or you ve just found a spot where you could bet anytwo cards ? In opponents shoes i would tend to think that your turn barrel is very bluff heav since i expect opponent checking back on the flop a decent amount of Ax. Maybe im wrong with my perception of the flopcheckingback% on this board, am i ? Hands like 89 that you said he can´t call the turn, are the hands like i usually tend to ending calling the river.
Min 12:40 QTss. What is your line on the turn ? xC or xR ? If its xC, whats your plan on river ?
Hey Juan,
I'm glad you enjoyed the vid.
Go ahead and check out the rest of this discussion thread when you have time, I've already talked a lot about the two spots you're mentioning in other posts. If you have something to add please comment on those posts so we can keep the discussion focused.
Hey Ben. Another fantastic video :)
I was wondering about the QTss hand. On the river you say you expect him to call with all Tx and he can have a lot of them. Despite this you make a massive CR on the river. Wouldnt this get a bit tricky for your bluffing range?
In my mind the reason to make that size would be to put tons of presure on even a hand as strong as Tx. If I did expect Tx to always call I would make a much smaller CR to target the non Tx'es with my bluffs.
Just wondering what your thoughts are around this, and why I am wrong :)
At what stakes, if any, do you prefer 3xing to minraising due to rake concerns ?
Hi Ben, could you explain what factors you consider when deciding on cbet sizing? e.g. I'm at work at the moment, and can't find the hand, but I think there was a AK7r board that you cbet for pot on as pfr. I'll find it later and post the time stamp.
Hey, first of all nice video really enjoyed this and hope to see more of this quality HUNL! :D
I got a question about your lead when checkbackt sizing, do you always pot pot with your entire range?
Is there a reason why you prefer it to using a standard 3/4 pot 3/4 pot sizing?
I was potting in this video, but I'll use a variety of sizings depending on the circumstances.
You are very good at making a lot of big hands.
At 14:20 you xR a J94cc flop with K6cc, follow through on an offsuit 2 and shut down on a 9.
Why do you think that it's a good hand to put into your xR range? The board is such that there are many turn cards that villain is betting again on that you beat but that are also giving up river when the draws brick off. It is also the case that there are many turn cards that you can represent that also hit your flop calling range. Would you not rather have a hand like 56cc instead to do this with because it will lose to the aforementioned semi-bluffs that will not bet when the board does not change? It seems that K6cc would better play as a xC given that he can float with gutshots, open-enders, A-highs and jam on favourable board runouts. There is not enough history to see whether or not he's jamming any Jx here, but his range surely contains enough missed draws to at least entertain the possibility of calling here?
Best video I have seen since forever. Thank you, Benjamin.
+1
Hey Ben,
That's a hell of a B- game you've got there.
42:00: J8dd on T97r - What does your KR range look like? Specifically which hands are you checking to KR bluff with? Bottom value KR? Thanks for the video.
I'm not sure. A lot of it depends on my opponent's tendencies. I think in a vacuum it's a good board to xr strong hands and semibluffs on because it hits the pfcaller's range pretty hard, and it misses a polarized 3betting range, which usually leads IP to bet frequently and continue vs a xr a lot too.
Hey Ben, great video!
on 15:30 with the K6s where we give up the 9 river, given that he has way more 9x than we do and all the draws missed so we don't wanna bluff too often, should we check our entire range ? Or are you still shoving some value combos and picking a few specific hands to bluff in a proper frequency ?
btw, sorry if someone already asked about this, the thread is just too big, I'm reading it slowly.
Hey Felipe,
Glad you liked the vid!
We already talked a good amount about that spot earlier ITT.
Are you potting alot in your highstakes games? Ive watched tones of vids and have never came across so much potting. Why do you think potting works better in your strat than more 'standard' betsizing? Very general question but a few merrits will do. You can get high off potting you know.
Hi Ben,
Around at 9:30 with T5o on QJ2dd 5d 6 board, you mentioned you are gonna value bet in this spot. What exactly do you expect he will call you with? My guess was that you thought he could call with some A/K high as well as 2x because he wouldn't expect you to check back ANY strong hands on the turn? However, since that means you are value betting rather thin on this river, doesn't it allow him to x/r bluff quite often?
Great vid Sauce.
Hand around 18:04--Looks like you shouldn`t be check raising him much otr so he should definitely bluff, or does he think you`d expect him to bluff or thinks he somehow has sd value with K high ? What line would you take in his shoes with KTdd ott and river?
Hey Ben,
Great work here at RIO. I've pretty much upgraded my account to watch your videos and this is the first video of yours I have watched. Needless to say I have a ton of questions to ask you but didn't want to come out and overload you if you didn't necessarily have the time to go through them all. If you could just give me a quick idea of how many questions is reasonable for you to discuss? Thanks man.
Thanks for joining RIO. I hope my vids live up to your expectations :p
So, first, please read the whole mammoth thread. I feel like at this point we've gotten to most of the interesting spots. Second, this video is over a month old and you're a flip at best to have me answer detailed questions on it at this point. So cmon into the newer vid threads and join the discussion, I find most of it happens in the first 2 weeks the video is out.
Min 16:40 Why do you check behind Q3o at A87, isn't it a pretty cbetable flop?
If we check we can still bluff later
And min 29:30 Why check behind J6 at AT2 flop?
^^
Hey,
Thanks Ben. I'll take your advice and post on some of the newer videos whilst the discussion is still active and fresh in the instructor's mind.
Hey Ben,
@ 40:20 you check back Kh8s on AhJh7h, and you say that you randomize the Kh which you check back based on your kicker. I was curious if it's a pure randomization such as checking Kh when you kicker is even, or when it's a certain suit, or if you randomize by equity, checking back the Kh here with the 8 as it's an over to bottom pair and a kicker that might play and betting when it's a lower card. You end up winning this particular hand unimproved vs Mikey's K5o.
would be very nice to make the tables bigger, instead of using that space for the webcam...cause i can barely see the cards.....just my 2cents..tx
Haha, what a champ !!
at around 36mins with 69 on the left table with the boat.... OTR you say you don't like leading because you don't have many 8x in your range. Is this ever a reason to lead? With the reason being we rep a narrow range? How much does the fact that the river IS bad for our range out way the possible benefits to leading river in the hope of getting called. Would you say you ever get looked up more OTR because we rep a narrow range? Or is the checking to induce bluffs just a way better option? I think I have worded this terribly but I am just curious if it is leading in a spot that is BAD for our range might get us called lighter because of this fact...
Cheers!
J7o table 2 @ 29:30
What are we expecting to fold to our turn barrel? and to our river barrel?
I see more Tx than Ax in your line, as well as 33-99 gutshots, sdraws, fdraws and total air. Obviously he should expect we to have some strong hands like Ax and the occasional set or 2pair, but, as long as we have J6o type hands in our check-bet-bet line, is not profitable to call Tx+ and xminraise, with air like J9, the river OOP?
Great player, better coach! Keep doing it please!!
Thank you in advance.
Hey mate just one question... where are you when filming this? cheers pal
How different the game was 2 years ago. So sick .
decided to start watching all your vids in chronological order from the start, this vid was brilliant. the $5/$10 vid i felt didn't get through that many hands and even though you had a great thought process, didn't really see your edge come through in that vid. compared to this one where you just discussed your thoughts as you went along, and duly crushed him in the process. great work, look forward to watching the rest of your vids. then it will be Phil's from the start haha :)
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