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Thanks for this. For question number 4, should I be looking at WtSD stats or are these stats alone enough?
Feb. 24, 2020 | 6:08 a.m.
LOL, yeah that makes sense. The number of times I have got hit by KK/AA where they limped the entire way through is not funny.
It's just that I keep playing against guys like these and I wanted to try and get a fix on their patterns.
Is there any freely available database of good players whose hands I can use to practice ranging?
Feb. 24, 2020 | 6:06 a.m.
Hi, I am practicing my range reading by looking at positional ranges and bet sizing. Came across this situation (I wasn't involved), but tried to range the players (and failed miserably).
6 max (.25/.5 NL)
Villain 1 (MP) 55 hands - VPIP 39, PFR 24, 3Bet 10.3%
Villain 2 (CO) 54 hands - VPIP 23, PFR 11, 3Bet 0%
Preflop:
Villain 1 (MP): Raises 1.5$
Villain 2 (CO): Calls 1.5$
Villain 3 (BB): Calls 1$
Pot Size: 4.75$
Flop: 8s5c2c
Villain 3 (BB): Checks
Villain 1 (MP): Checks
Villain 2 (CO): Bets 3.13$
Villain 3 (BB): folds
Villain 1 (MP): Calls 3.13
Pot Size: 11.01$
Turn: 8s5c2cKs
Villain 1 (MP): Checks
Villain 2 (CO): Bets 5.50$
Villain 1 (MP): Raise 13.75$
Villain 2 (CO): Calls 8.25$
Pot Size: 38.51$
River: 8s5c2cKs7c
Villain 1 (MP): Bets 19.25$
Villain 2 (CO); Calls 19.25$
After using Flopzilla to range them, I came to the conclusion of both having club Flush, with my estimate being that Villain 1 probably had KcXc (which is why he bet 80% pot on Turn, had top pair and a flush draw of clubs). Neither have Ac nut flush.
Actual Hands: Villain 1 (MP): AdQs and Villain 2 (CO) AcKh
4 questions here:
- Where (is it likely) did I go completely wrong in my ranging (probably not paying attention to CO's PFR and 3bet stats)?
- Why was Villain 1 bluffing with AdQs? I don't have any GTO solvers so I don't know how this should be looked at.
- How should Villain 2's bet sizing on flop and turn be interpreted? Villain 2 (with Ac) was blocking a lot of club combos in MP's range, but apart from that, what was he really going for? Was that a 'scare off' bet on the Flop with nothing made, and a value bet on the Turn (with the K pair), but just a call on the check-raise on account of the flush possibilities? This I can rationalize now that I know his cards, but without knowing them how should Villain 2's bet sizing be interpreted?
- What should Villain 1 have bet on river to pull of a successful bluff? Clearly a half pot raise didn't do the trick.
Any guidance would be much appreciated.
This is super helpful. Thanks a lot, gives me a lot to think about.
Feb. 24, 2020 | 11:06 a.m.