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"is the turn shove bad then if villain only calls with Jh FD?"

well if villain puts most of your range on top pair then he has 30% equity versus your top pair range.that means hes a 2:1 dog so hes calling all of his money off only winning 1 out of 3 times on average that is good news for you .If villain gave you some ranges holding middle pairs then he has outs to hit his J that can sometimes increase his equity but only marginally.Your hand looks like AK,AQ,AJs, AA-QQ , you could very well have nut flushes in your range aswell this guy seems like a complete fish not sure what hes thinking when he calls with that hand on the turn other than the fact he has a huge draw. You cant always be scared of the draws just because he has a bunch of draws in his range doesn't mean you should shove.Villain also has alot of weaker hands than yours that you want to stay in the pot..On the turn before you bet and he calls... Villain can hold any weak middle pair JT,J9 he could hold K9 with a gut-shot that you want to miss so he has a chance to bluff the river or hit his K and be dominated.His KJ's have 8 outs against you if he hits a king with KJ he is paying you on the river, If he has hand like KJ of spades or J9 of spades like he did here sometimes you just have to be ok with it because of all the other bs he can be holding still.Letting them see a cheaper river when they have 30-35% equity (hes assuming you have no nut flushes in your range with this equity) versus your hand can be good because the 65% time he misses with all his draws and weaker hands he called your smaller bet size with have a chance to bluff or call your river paying you off r, if an ugly card comes on the river sometimes you can re-evaluate and check-fold or bet-fold to a re-raise in this spot.Long term you will make money from keeping his weaker holdings in the hand by not betting so large on this turn, its something you have to get the feel for I'm not saying bet small and let everybody draw out on you I'm just talking about the concept.

Feb. 3, 2020 | 10:06 p.m.

I don't think a call with AJo on the BU is too passive, I think calling pre is the best play. If he were to 4-bet you that would suck to have to let go of without seeing a flop.AJo o the BU is a good poker hand to just play and see what transpires but anyways villain opts to call and we see a flop. I give his pre-flop calling range something like 88+,A8s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,AJo+,KQo

Villain checks the flop, because hes raising from UTG I think we can give his range often many face-cards,he can have 88+ sometimes, so the flop he would miss with alot of his range unless hes holding a pocket pair.When he check-calls the flop I give him:

TT,99,AT,KTs,QJs,A9s,K9s.

I like how you gave up I think the call on the flop in a 3-bet pot showed that he had a real hand, not much else to do without reads on villain to exploit him, I would have maybe just called pre- since AJ isn't a super strong hand I think its good but not suited it loses some value for sure.

Feb. 3, 2020 | 8:12 a.m.

Jonathan leave out the results of the hand when you post it online. You will get biased answers because the answer is already known so some peoples answers might not be helpful. How many hands did you have on this villain for data? I give his UTG raise-calling range :

AA-TT,A8s+,ATo+,KT+,JT+,

When you c-bet flop and he calls in a 3bet pot I am giving him something here.
AQ,KQ,JQ,JT, He could hold AT,KT for middle pair, KJ is giving him OESD. I dont put villain on 44 because that is pretty loose, I think if he had QQ or TT he might raise you on this flop but still not completely out. anyways he calls and we see a turn .Hero bets Pot. Right now on the turn the 2 is a very safe card for any of villains drawing hands, When we bet the pot I can only see villain calling us with better, hes most likely going to fold out his KJ or J9 if they arnt suited spades, hes probrably going to even let go of a hand like AT and KT again unless suited spades which are only 1 combo each out of those hands, so your going to get called by AA,KK,QQ,TT,QT, and if he has any nut spade combos which are going to be a small amount of his range.When villain calls you on the turn all- In I am thinking 2pair or better, when you shove like this that is all that will call. KQ is a good hand but it is still losing to AQ. What did villain have J9? was is suited spades? if not keep a note that he calls huge bets with an OESD that is great news for you when he doesnt hit his 8 outs the other 4 out of 5 times.

Feb. 3, 2020 | 7:55 a.m.

He will win most of the time in this spot? that is just flat out incorrect. A 3-bet all in on the flop is probrably something better than top pair.... especially at 2nl people are not playing balanced with bluffs and values at this level this is almost never a bluff,its a fold on the flop and wait for a better hand unless you have solid reads on villain and his player type

Feb. 1, 2020 | 8:50 p.m.

use a program like the free version of equilab to help you work on ranges and stuff , good luck on your poker journey

Feb. 1, 2020 | 6:05 a.m.

when you raise his utg bet and he just calls what does that say about his range? utg is an early position so villains need to be strong, the earlier position someone raises from the stronger their hand should be, when villain raises and just calls your 3-bet we can giv him JJ-22 ,some suited broadway cards AKs,AQs,AJs,KQs, and I wouldn;t give much else. When the flop comes and he bets here , he's not c-betting , hes "Donk-Betting" which is when he is betting into the pre-flop aggressor, when villain donk bets what does this say about his range? well we first look at the board and then try to make sense of it , does villain donk-bet often? why would you donk-bet in a hand like this? maybe he wants to see another card but doesn't want to face another bet himself or maybe he has too good of a hand to risk you checking behind so he wants to get some value now. Anyways you re-raise him and he 3-bets you... now we have to look at his range he either flopped a two pair which is unlikely because of the range I give him :

99,44,AA, maybe A9s,sometimes AK, and maybe KQhh,( less likely only 1 combo).
your going to see its not profitable to call , losing most of the time and breaking even against 1 hand if he even plays AK this way. As you get better at poker you start to see top pair is not always good, against 3-bets or check raises after the flop we really need to put villains on a range of hands .

Jan. 31, 2020 | 7:13 p.m.

Comment | Donkeybets commented on Q9s too passive?

You can't fully discount KK, he can hold top pair hands here depending on the villain,

All AK KQ,KJ. KK,TT,22, KT (2P), may also do this with nut flush draw Axhh.
He could do this with OESD but that would be the pure bottom of his check-raising range and I would assume he would have Jh with it .Your getting pot odds of 2.7:1 you have the gut-shot to go with your flush-draw

It could be +EV to shove on flop because it could get him to fold out his top pairs if that's apart of his check-raising range, especially his KQ,KJ stuff, you have equity versus sets and KT if you get it in on the flop. When he barrels the turn I don't think that signifies hes on a draw I think he has top 2 or a set and wants to make you pay for the river, On the river its a brick and he might have put you on a draw, which it busted. In that case he has no value bet and has to check in hopes you bluff, Idk for sure but the turn bet didn't seem like he had a draw.

Jan. 30, 2020 | 6:42 p.m.

villain min-raises utg what range did you give him?
we arn't going to do all the thinking for you, we will try to help but you have to put in some effort just copy and pasting your hand isn't enough. What's villains pre-flop range you give him? what c-betting range do you give him? whats villains all-in 3betting range ?
Even if you don't know how to make ranges you have to try.. its how you get better.

Jan. 30, 2020 | 5:45 p.m.

I cannot figure out how to get this hand history converted for the life of me, ive tried the hand history thing on this site and the page just refreshes when I click the button on the bottom when Im done pasting it in.... any help plzz

Jan. 30, 2020 | 6:17 a.m.

I don't know how to get my hands up so it shows the cards in a cleaner easier format.Any help appreciated .

Jan. 30, 2020 | 1:46 a.m.

Post | Donkeybets posted in NLHE: QJSS, versus fish from MP1

Villain had VPIP of 38 /PRF of 17 and AF of 2 over 30 hands


pre-flop what could Villain open-raise and then call with here ? I gave him 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KJo+,QJo

I somewhat discounted AA-QQ here because I thought he would 4-bet most likely but if hes a fish I'm not sure we can't totally out them I guess. on flop he bets out half pot, what does this say about his range ?

On The Flop I thought he would do this with his overpair range, like QQ-88, Maybe his AT+ and his suited face-cards. I decide to call was this the right move ? I also thought about raising with the flush-draw but maybe that wasn't the play? If we re-raise here what is going to happen? Are we trying to get anything to fold or are we trying to build a pot with a big hand in this position? Does he have something he will call a raise with and/or if he comes over the top are we forced to fold this?

on the turn he bets out half pot again and the turn card didn't change much. I don't know what range to give him and am unsure of how to play my hand , again I don't know If I want to make stuff fold, play for a bigger pot or call and see a river.

I put villain alot of weaker pocket pairs and overcards, for some reason I thought a call here was ok because if hes holding 88,99,TT,JJ,QQ, we had a flushdraw I also thought if we hit a Q or J it would be good forgetting about the range factor that it would give him a set for some of his range. Any Q or J would actually be terrible now that I think about it up against AQ,QK, any J would be terrible up against AJ,KJ. I decided to call and I hit the pair on the river fish bets half pot again . should this be a fold or a call ? should I even be in this position? how else should I have played this hand ?![enter image description here][2]

Jan. 30, 2020 | 1:32 a.m.

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