Raising Turns in PLO (Part 1: Playing In Position)
Posted by Phil Galfond
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Could you go through what the stats you use on your HUD are when you have the time please. Your PLO videos are improving constantly, well done :)
I probably should post my HUD somewhere so that I don't need to repost it. I'll figure that out eventually :)
Name/#hands/vpip/pfr/att steal/fold to steal
3b/fld to 3b/4b/fld to 4b
cbet flop/ (fold to raise)/cbet turn/bet river .. /fld after missed flop cb/fld after missed turn cb
fld to cbet flop/ (raise v cb)/fld to turn cb/fld river.. /bet v missed flop cb/bet v missed turn cb
c/f to river float bet/float bet river/donk river
Hand 1 - I know we have just the spade blocker, but I am wondering if we can incorporate some check backs with the nut flush draw in position. In this hand for instance we turn Jd and raise the turn, but if we had nut spades n check back and Jh peels turn. We could raise turn here n should have the same EQ vs his range? also allows him to bet the flush when it peels off and us being real under repp'd here. Or are we just better off building a pot here in position with TPTK +nfd? thoughts?
how does your gameplan change vs more passive players who don't c/r the flop as often? How does your gameplan change from HU to 6m?
Can you compare the benefits of checking back to raise turn vs barreling vs different type of players?
Great video. Really like the idea of having concept based videos and when you pick out hands.
I have a question though regarding one of those hands and actually would apply to raising turns in general
On the AK64 hand where you call a 3bet IP and flop is 652r. he check you check back and the turn is a 6. You mentioned before the turn came that he would lead a K or A 99% of the time and I think he leads this card really really wide also.
If taken into the account of minimum defense frequency, his bet size will have us defend 58% of the time. After a flop check back, what is your defending range on this turn? Or what is your defending range in general? Like if you raise this hand here your range is capped at like QQ or KK. Is that something you are fine with? I'm just concerned that by raising hands on the turn that it will in another way make our calling range too weak and exploitable.
Given the weakness of our range on this particular board, I feel like defending 58% is already kind of tough to begin with, since the majority of our range is weak and only able to call vs his lead.
when you raise turn when you hit qqq, do you not agree that you are openning up a chance for a player like isildur to 3 bet bluff or value bet you on turn with nut flush or blockers, in that case you will end up gettin stack off with just bare set of qqq when the pot is only 2k, i understand that it makes u play tough but wat about risk reward in this situation, ofcourse sometime you will catch his bluff but it just make ur life so hard i feel like, given you check flop ur never having nut flushes draw on 732 board,
The Kc7h3c4s hand where we raised on Ts7s3h x 8d was interesting in that it was similar to the old fashioned 'Free SD' plays. I guess this line suits this hand as it really would like to see a SD right now as calling a river bet is unappealing.
great video ! i always like videos against isildur lol theyre always entertaining. i recently made the switch from nl to plo. and watching this video got me thinking, do you think raising the turn is more of an attractive option in plo than NL? And if so is it (partly) bc in alot of spots with some marginal made hands (like when you had the bottom two 73 in this video) our visibility on rivers is worse than in NL? or do you think that raising turns is jus about equally good in both games?
Thanks !
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