Getting to the Final Table
Posted by Dylan Linde
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Nice video Dylan, many interesting spots.
@77 hand min 38
I dont think 6 is that terrible card on the river, I dont really agree that he is leading all the 6x he c/c on the flop. He has a ton of better hands to do this with. I think that his turn lead range consists of all the 4x + hands for value and a lot of draws. I dont think there are many better cards on the river. I mean, if you plan to fold on this river you might as well fold turn. On which rivers are you willing to bluffcatch all-in shove if folding this one? You dont really call turn expecting him to give up the river, right?
I think pretty reasonable option is to just shove the turn over his donkbet. It is a bit of an overbet, but given how vulnerable our hand is and how many semibluffs we think he has I think shoving is a clear +cEV play. But of course it is a bit of ICM suicide. Thoughts?
Thanks Max. I think that if his strategy is to lead that turn based on the fact that it is in general more beneficial for his range than mine then he will indeed have a large amount of his 6x there as well. So I think on the river that this is not as devastating a card as say a 5 or a heart would be, but that it is still a card that in general improves a good portion of his range. My plan was definitely to bluff catch rivers, but at the time my thinking was that between being guaranteed to be in the money and the 6 improving him that I would fold.
I do like the turn raise and think that it might be best, as our conversation thus far has been about just how difficult bluff catching rivers vs what we think he has on turns will be. Shoving turn is strange in that we protect our range, but we really don't get called by hands that we beat, but only achieve protection from either getting bluffed in the future or by disallowing him to draw at the correct price. So at the time I thought it might be a bit of an overplay. The real problem stems from the ICM implications in this hand, if this were mid stages then shoving turn or even calling river would be much easier.
42:40 97hh You decide to open fold this one with 11.5 bigs, and two hands later we'll be in blinds, doesnt the fact that we are getting less fold equity as we get more shallow makes us want to take this sligthly -ev shove? Because holdem resources doesn't take into account future situations like that one. Jorj95 explained that it is correct to shove here as we are getting less FE on future jams
Thoughts on this? Ty!
he probably run at FGS(future game situation).. so, the math is right..
Yep Im not questioning the math of the shove
Thanks for the question! vaiqbate is correct. I do use Future Gaming Simulation for my HER calculations. This factors in how devestating it can be to eat the big blind in the future. You can turn the FGS to quite a high setting in HER but really eats up resources doing calcs.
Enjoyed this review. One of your best vids Dylan, thanks.
Thanks so much!
+1; one of the best, you should continue on this type of stuff.
you mentionned a lot in the vid SPR, stack depth, may be you could elaborate on this in a dedicated vid? decision based on stack size
Much appreciate!
Thats a very good idea. Have been having some trouble in figuring out good concept videos but that just might be a lovely idea. Will see if I can put something together
Just wanted to +1 this idea
Great vid Dylan
Very nice video.
Im curious.
How come you have so few hands vs oponents in HEM and you are just using a standard HUD
Shouldent almost dont make to much sense to put to much value into those stats with so litle sample, also considering ranges changes a lot as the tournament progresses ?
Thanks klondike :)
To answer your question about the HUD, the sample sizes are small because Ive been experiencing some problems with my HM2 for the last few months so I had to purge my database and re-import this tournament before making the vid. I agree that we cant make our decisions solely based on a small sample size, but I think that we all have to react based on how people play over a small sample size most of the time in MTTs. Thus making some inferences (without weighing them too heavily) is a healthy practice.
Great video!
Thanks!
Very nice video Dylan.
Hand against K Julius (around 30 minutes mark), what do you think about his check-back with KT ?
Since youre a good regular youre going to be defending wider then most so he gives up too much equity to your 8x,76,65,Ax etc...type hands.
Thanks man, appreciate it.
In general I don't like the checkback here by him. I prefer betting because as I said in the video that is not a flop that he can expect me to check raise a very wide range on. Thus he should try to extract value from my wide big blind defense range starting early in the hand and without much fear of me blowing him off his hand. I would prefer his check back if say I had raised from EP and he had flatted. He needs to expect me to overbluff quite a bit for this to be the most profitable way to play his hand on the flop IMO.
A9o at 11:00
u say that if villain (BB) thinks hero c-bets too much then villain should go for a call rather than a c/r. maybe in this given case when villain had FD + pair this is reasonable. but if villain had a naked pair or low pocket then should he be raising? because if he is just calling then hero will be realizing all his equity for overcards. and basically hero can rep all the turn overcards so on lots of turns villain will hate his life with middle pair or lower.
have u put anything into numbers and compared for these kind of spots where BB flats LP open and low board comes in and how important it is for BB to push villains off their overcards equity
Thanks for the question. Right, in this specific hand I think villain doesn't need to be raising with his particular holding. I would prefer a raise otf to be with a hand with less showdown value vs an overly cbet heavy range and of course with strong value hands. As you suggest, I wouldnt hate turning a middle pair/bottom pair hand into a bluff on the flop for reasons of protection and deception because as you said there aren't many good runouts for that type of holding. With the flush draw and the middle pair, our hand is strong enough on enough possible runnouts to make raising lessing desirable in this particular situation.
What do you think about ZeeJustin KQ jam? Wouldn't it be better to be 3-bet calling or even 3-bet folding vs some tighter folks? We can get away when BB 4-bets + a lot of hands w are dominating could peel our 3-bet.
Good question man. I think his KQo jam probably shows a profit but is not the best possible play. Perhaps in a world where the BB squeezes the perfect amount when ZJ flats and I have a loose 4b range where he folds too much his jam might be the best play, but I dont think he can reasonably expect both of those things to be the case enough to warrant ripping here to be optimal.
hey thanks for the video, are you playing all of your overpairs the same in the 77 hand round 35 mins??
also perhaps in some of the preflop spots later on in the video ( AA in the bb vs BTN shove , QQ vs 4bet shove ) you could discuss some calling ranges ( and maybe what ranges you would put opponents on ) as opposed to just showing the run out of the snap calls?
31:20
If u had QT and bet turn and river would it be bad ? Do u expect to get called alot ?
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