I actually like the 990 bet with T4dd although I would maybe prefer going like 775 (or lets say 1/4 pottbet) or something with your whole KJ+ value range. I think players in general will have a HARD time folding two pairs to 1/4 pottbet, and I don't think he never ever valueraises 775 bet with straights/sets so you kinda valueown yourself sometimes when you wanted to checkfold the river with KJ, but that's the price you pay for milking/inducing him with your flushes with the same size when he would otherwise always just would have folded twopair/sets and maybe straights to a larger riverbet.
And a lot of players would maybe even feel compelled to raise with a rivered xxdd when you bet 1/4 potbet (because they don't know your sizings with your range here so in their eyes it would look like it's somekind of weak twopair/straight stopbet) , so when you actually have Axdd you could perhaps get his whole stack from a stubbern confused xxdd that are somewhat committed after a 2500 raise and would otherwise just have called a standard 3/4 or potbet from you. Very optimistic ofc, and wouldn't work against the top 5-10% players but it was somewhat worth pointing out.
The worry is that he turns QT into a bluff or Kx into a bluff (especially if he has Kd or Qd). And that would obviously suck when your'e betting 775 here with 9To and folding to a Kd9h that is turning itself into a bluff, but you woulnd't get exploaited because of all your flushes are having the same size. You would 3bet alot of the hands that are going to be strong on this board but a way to tackle that would certainly be to have more Kxdd/Axdd in your flattingrange preflop and to bet 775 with your whole valuerange on the river and then only call a raise with your flushes and fold the rest I guess? Balance is a blessing :)
A small riverbet is certainly tilting to face and very tempting to bluffraise OR call and also tilting to fold or even herofold to.
I am torn about the spot, but I feel intuitively that a small size should be much better with your whole range than a "standard one" because you can't realistically have a bluff here unless its not exactly QT or a weird 8x for some reason. I could certainly be convinced that checking your whole range on the river is maybe better.
But I feel that if I check the river my opponent will usually play pretty optimally, and if you instead bet 1/4 pot he would get the opportunity to make bigger misstakes either by tilt-curiosily-calling too much, valueraise-owning himself or decide to turn Kd9h into a bluff (which I honestly feel most players won't do with Kd9h when you check, they are just gonna be relieved you checked and hope you have QT or something, and moving on to the next hand) etc etc.
If I'm in his spot and gets to the river here with lets say top two pair KQ and you check, i'm always checking behind and I am always folding if you bet 1/2 pot or more. BUT, I can't promise that I would fold to 1/4 potbet, maybe if I have a solid solid read, but I would probably just talk myself into "it could be a stopbet, he could maybe maybe have KJ/J8 for superthin value or a superownage QT bluff that's trying to levelling me to fold a hand like AK/Kx". Ok I call. And then I see you got T4dd and get semitilted and think I got owned by the size and so on :) haha
Good video and an interesting spot I felt, hope to hear your and others ideas.
hey great video man, just playing the devils advocate here, the hand where you 3 bet A8o and turn the full, considering he seen you bluff around 1/3rd pot about 10-20 hands prior and being in a spot you are not bluffing that often (shouldn't he assume you over bet the turn with your draws) make this is a spot he doesn't hero Ax often. Also does the fact that this a tournament matter? like say he hero's Ax 1/3rd of the time and you move on is that better than him calling 2500 100% (with potential to bluff) and you having basically a 3/1 chip advantage?
why is the Qs4x a normal float on the AKxss is it to c/r all spade turns or do you expect him to c-bet give up too often?
Nathan, A8o hand I don't necessarily overbet the turn with draws, especially my weak draws, i.e. low card fds without a pair or gut shots without fds. I think given that my hand is strong enough to play for stacks I prefer barrelling it off. While it is possible that betting less than all in, will get called more I think when I arrive at the river with a psb I should be shoving my bluffs. It shouldn't rly matter its a tournament IMO, if you think you have substantial edge on your opponents taking small edges, in high leverage spots probably isn't optimal but vs a good player, who will put you in tough spots i think you need to take any advantage you can get.
Qs4x I think is a fairly std flop float, my q high is the best hand fairly often, i.e. i beat most of villain's bluffs and I can also turn my hand into a bluff on future steets. It maybe a little too thin, especially pf, but I think its fine on the flop.
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I actually like the 990 bet with T4dd although I would maybe prefer going like 775 (or lets say 1/4 pottbet) or something with your whole KJ+ value range. I think players in general will have a HARD time folding two pairs to 1/4 pottbet, and I don't think he never ever valueraises 775 bet with straights/sets so you kinda valueown yourself sometimes when you wanted to checkfold the river with KJ, but that's the price you pay for milking/inducing him with your flushes with the same size when he would otherwise always just would have folded twopair/sets and maybe straights to a larger riverbet.
And a lot of players would maybe even feel compelled to raise with a rivered xxdd when you bet 1/4 potbet (because they don't know your sizings with your range here so in their eyes it would look like it's somekind of weak twopair/straight stopbet) , so when you actually have Axdd you could perhaps get his whole stack from a stubbern confused xxdd that are somewhat committed after a 2500 raise and would otherwise just have called a standard 3/4 or potbet from you. Very optimistic ofc, and wouldn't work against the top 5-10% players but it was somewhat worth pointing out.
The worry is that he turns QT into a bluff or Kx into a bluff (especially if he has Kd or Qd). And that would obviously suck when your'e betting 775 here with 9To and folding to a Kd9h that is turning itself into a bluff, but you woulnd't get exploaited because of all your flushes are having the same size. You would 3bet alot of the hands that are going to be strong on this board but a way to tackle that would certainly be to have more Kxdd/Axdd in your flattingrange preflop and to bet 775 with your whole valuerange on the river and then only call a raise with your flushes and fold the rest I guess? Balance is a blessing :)
A small riverbet is certainly tilting to face and very tempting to bluffraise OR call and also tilting to fold or even herofold to.
I am torn about the spot, but I feel intuitively that a small size should be much better with your whole range than a "standard one" because you can't realistically have a bluff here unless its not exactly QT or a weird 8x for some reason. I could certainly be convinced that checking your whole range on the river is maybe better.
But I feel that if I check the river my opponent will usually play pretty optimally, and if you instead bet 1/4 pot he would get the opportunity to make bigger misstakes either by tilt-curiosily-calling too much, valueraise-owning himself or decide to turn Kd9h into a bluff (which I honestly feel most players won't do with Kd9h when you check, they are just gonna be relieved you checked and hope you have QT or something, and moving on to the next hand) etc etc.
If I'm in his spot and gets to the river here with lets say top two pair KQ and you check, i'm always checking behind and I am always folding if you bet 1/2 pot or more. BUT, I can't promise that I would fold to 1/4 potbet, maybe if I have a solid solid read, but I would probably just talk myself into "it could be a stopbet, he could maybe maybe have KJ/J8 for superthin value or a superownage QT bluff that's trying to levelling me to fold a hand like AK/Kx". Ok I call. And then I see you got T4dd and get semitilted and think I got owned by the size and so on :) haha
Good video and an interesting spot I felt, hope to hear your and others ideas.
Really enjoyed this Lucas. My heads up play sucks and I like seeing every hand/ the dynamic and hearing your thought processes. Very helpful.
hey great video man, just playing the devils advocate here, the hand where you 3 bet A8o and turn the full, considering he seen you bluff around 1/3rd pot about 10-20 hands prior and being in a spot you are not bluffing that often (shouldn't he assume you over bet the turn with your draws) make this is a spot he doesn't hero Ax often. Also does the fact that this a tournament matter? like say he hero's Ax 1/3rd of the time and you move on is that better than him calling 2500 100% (with potential to bluff) and you having basically a 3/1 chip advantage?
why is the Qs4x a normal float on the AKxss is it to c/r all spade turns or do you expect him to c-bet give up too often?
Nathan, A8o hand I don't necessarily overbet the turn with draws, especially my weak draws, i.e. low card fds without a pair or gut shots without fds. I think given that my hand is strong enough to play for stacks I prefer barrelling it off. While it is possible that betting less than all in, will get called more I think when I arrive at the river with a psb I should be shoving my bluffs. It shouldn't rly matter its a tournament IMO, if you think you have substantial edge on your opponents taking small edges, in high leverage spots probably isn't optimal but vs a good player, who will put you in tough spots i think you need to take any advantage you can get.
Qs4x I think is a fairly std flop float, my q high is the best hand fairly often, i.e. i beat most of villain's bluffs and I can also turn my hand into a bluff on future steets. It maybe a little too thin, especially pf, but I think its fine on the flop.
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