1 Table $2.5/$5 6-Max Zoom NLHE Live Session (part 1)
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I can assure you that bigbang is not a regular :p
Hi Ben,
I enjoyed the video!
AQo @12:48 How does the turn overbet affect your river value betting range?
Thanks Tyler, and good question.
Going back to the flop, in my testing of various betsizes I'm seeing a positive correlation between piling on either the flop or turn and AQ's EV. The explanation would seem to be that we have the best hand extremely frequently on the flop, very often on turn, but much less often on river. We can also exploit the overbet sizing to reduce villain's XR frequency, and likely see a XR response of 0% until the board changes from most regs in this meta.
I don't think we can value bet many non A, non Q rivers UI unless villain XR some 2PR combos earlier on in the hand. Because of hand strength and removal, however, I expect most of villain's early street XR hands to be 77/combo draws/occasional weaker hands.
I'm certainly getting a lower EV for .5/.5/.5 relative to some sort of bluff induce line or early street overbet line. So, candidate lines for AQ for me here are something like pot/pot/X, overbet/3/4th/X, pot/X/call, small bet/overbet/X, small bet/X/call, medium bet/X/call. I don't see an EV difference large enough between any of these lines that I'm confident AQ won't mix to them.
All in all I think my line is OK, though I sound like I'm planning on value betting most rivers in the video, I hope that I would have talked myself out of it.
Hey Ben,
For the lines you listed above in which you wrote X and not X/call on the river, does this mean you are folding to most/all rivers UI and readless? It seems like the overbet will fold out most of his draws so he likely shows up with 2P+ or air after a river bet. If you agree villain does show up with air and that we need to defend against it, what kinds of rivers would be good candidates to bluffcatch?
Awesome video dood! Keep the 6max comin plz
We're IP in the hand, so it will be extremely rare to be in a bluffcatching situation OTR with the lines you're saying.
I also enjoyed the vid.
AQo @12.48, Is it good to have multiple bet sizes for the turn betting? If yes, do you think the overbet betting range would weaken too much the smaller size betting range if we put hands like AQ in there?
Or do you think that we can just bet turn with overbets and check back the rest, actually this seems easier to me!
Brit, I think overbet/X is a fine way to play this turn. You might end up developing a smaller betsize with a few hands, specifically stuff like AA and various (semi) bluffs. AA presents serious removal issues for overbetting.
Ben - At 2:30 you have Ac2h and you get 2 barreled on 5s 7h 3h, 8c. You say you'd prefer to check raise the turn with the "ace of spades blocker". Just wondering if you meant ace of hearts blocker to the heart flush draw on board, I'm not understanding why having the ace of spades would matter.
He mixed up the suits.
Eric, I meant XR the flop. The turn is probably a pure fold with A2, it's just too low equity to continue.
I figured. Just double checking!
hi ben, 2 questions:
22.41: do you think cbetting>>>check with 78? i usually put this hand in checking range, i prefer to bet A8 or K8 but i don't have a strong opinion on that. What kind of hands do you check back besides small Qx or JJ?
35:15 What do you do on a turn blank like a 2h? Because i feel like if we jam with a pot size bet we are overplaying our hand and get called only by AQ, KQs...on the other hand maybe the check is too week, i don't know.
thanks a lot
Hi Gruz,
I agree that we're not betting very many 7x on flop, and I think the preferred ones to bet are suited, connect and/or with an overcard.
On the KQ hand I'd likely X behind the turn and bluffcatch/value bet most rivers UI.
"I agree that we're not betting very many 7x on flop, and I think the preferred ones to bet are suited, connect and/or with an overcard."
Would it not be preferable to check back our suited 7x with backdoors, so that calling turn leads becomes far more profitable for us + our hand doesn't need as much protection? This also allows us to bet our backdoors with little sd value, and still have them in our range by the river when we check back flop.
Great video, one tabling and sharing more of your thoughts is awesome !
36.10 - I know a lot of regs 3b/calling QJs-JTs-T9s vs utg and they consider it to be pretty std, what else whould you 3b/c utg except TT+, AK?
thanks a lot !
Pairs, Axs, AQo, suited bways, suited connectors maybe occasionally.
seems like small suited connectors will do better against most 4b ranges than AQo and suited broadways (reverse implied odds yadda yadda)
Thanks for an interesting and high quality video. A little slow with only one table but was still great to watch.
18:20 - I liked where you were analyzing the board 4h 6c 3s, and you had raised p.f. with A 9. You opened ep and got a call in cut off. Then you discussed the range of the cut off, to likely be pretty weak and having a lot of mid pocket pairs for the Villain. And then you check folded.
I was contemplating how I could go about check raising a lot in a balanced or effective way I this spot. I realize that's a possibly a pretty big question. Can you elaborate a bit on this situation? I can see myself wanting to do a lot of check raising in this spot and I'm trying to figure out how to go about doing it effectively. Is this something I should try and work out in C.R. eV?
Any tips?
If you discount sets enough then you have 18 combos of overpairs QQ-AA that are able to XR and get it in. This triples your value XR frequency and changes your strategy considerably.
Ben - Also, what set-up have you been using to play? I listened to the first half of the podcast and didn't hear anyone ask you that question. Do you still use the treadmill/x-box controller/2 screens? I'm looking to move off of my traditional 2 screen/chair/desk/mouse set-up and change something up for grinding 6-8 hour days. My back ends up killing me.
Thanks!
Yes I still use the TR desk setup. I wasn't in the most recent video because I had a back injury from sitting too much in Vegas :/
I definitely recommend the TR desk setup though.
1 tabling is boring :(
Hi Ben,
In the opening hand, I'm presuming you're playing a mixed strat with 78s. What sort of frequency do you think you're squeezing as opposed to flatting? Are you more likely to raise the sq frequency the deeper the effective stacks get, and would your strat follow a similar pattern vs a single hj open and no cold call?
Cheers for another great vid!
overlimp q9s 3:26 is a disgrace sauce. what would sno w ie do?
Q10 flat in sb 5:10 pure disgrace. dude sn ow i eee
"from time to time i tend to mix in being a disgrace" sauce
A4s 9:00 another tragedy MAN. This is your best bluffing hand. take it to the brink.
A10s 11:42 the river value/block bet? makes zero sense.
Sauce, do you need a coach? 13:08 is just terrible. you are iso'ing yourself against better made hands. this is an overbet spot for gut shots, big made hands and big draws. WTF.
16:00 YOURE NOT A BIG SNOWIE GUY? GET FUCKED SAUCE YOU SUCK AT NO LIMIT DICK
18:04 IM GOING TO KILL YOU FOR THIS A9
19:00 like the iso rr KQ FUCKING HATE THE C BET YOU FISH FUCK YOU SAUCE. HOW CAN YOU DISCOUNT SETS?? YOU ARE FUCKING TERRIBLE. Are you doing this like Krantz and deuces cracked back in 08 where its for your image? are you this bad dude? youre fucking terrible at no limit. and please god Jungle if you hear me stake me against these clowns for PLO08 thats where the real New York sandwich Shines. Bunch of jokers. I got the secret shhhhhhhhhhhhh
Lol
Not only the best player but also the best trainer out here..I really enjoy the way you explain your thought process in marginal situations, whereas many trainers don't. Keep it up.
Its kind of funny that a mid/lowstakes player has much better "spotting the fish" skills than you. :D
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