HOMEWORK HAND: When I first viewed this hand I thought your river shove was a good one and made sense. Now I've had time to think about it some more though, I'm not convinced. My logic for this is because your shove on the river has to be exactly hearts - I'm assuming you bet 9T, KQ on the flop plus a lot (if not all) of xhxh combos and your gutters... meh I guess you'd check back 98, 78? But still that's only a couple of combos in a v wide range.
Villain clearly has showdown value but how much I think is the question and does he go for thin river value with two pair which I think he'd be wise to do. I think he'd bet an 8 and obviously hearts and so your shove puts him in a v tough spot as he's capped his range plus it's the only way you can win the hand at this point, I think. With that said with power of time on my hands I'm not sure you play many 8x hands like this and putting you on hearts is just to unlikely considering your wide range. Think I'd call you with a pair of T's+, but in game with limited time it would probably be 2 pair+ and maybe I don't have enough of those in my range making your shove a profitable one.
If I was to be specific with villains hand it looks distinctly like QT or Tx of spades.
With all this said if you're going to open 67o (which as you say is debateable) I think the way you've played it is the only way you were going to win this pot.
Sorry about the essay. That's my best attempt at commenting - I could be way off. Look forward to other views.
you said that it is not the most interesting hand in the world, not sure because I’m struggle with it. may be because I'm thinking too much about it and while playing it is may be more straightforward.
Sam, some videos on post-flop play would be great! or thought process on flop/turn or turn/river.
As for the homework hand. I think I like it as played.
Flop- I mean my first instinct was to check back this flop too but I think there is a case to be made for a bet/fold. It kind of feels like it sucks to bet/fold a pair when pf ranges are so wide but what is the range that he is check raising us with. Maybe strong Js, 2 pair, a straight and his flush draws if that's his range then I like a b/f but if like you said he's just adding hands like A10 or As8x or too much other stuff it obviously becomes less attractive. When I am in villains spot facing a smallish bet (I think I usually go on the smaller side of things which is also debatable) I am usually thinking the cbettor is polarized into being happy to bet/call and having very low equity and just trying 1 stab knowing the BBs range is very wide so i'm not expecting a huge cbetting frequency so I'm probably not looking to expand my c/r range too much but that's just me maybe not the trend of others. I think checking back gets us bluffed a decent amount of the time and since I think he's likely checking all or most of his flush draw combo's there is some risk of reverse implied odds with the 7s or 6s on turn or river. Ultimately the reason I decided i like checking back a little more is that there really aren't THAT many hands that have more than 3 outs against our actual hand that are all that likely to be check folding and that's pretty relevant since if we are betting we are betting to get protection and maybe some very small amount of value if he has a float heavy strategy. The only hands he is like 100% to be bet/folding to 1 bet are his small pocket pairs which have 1 or 2 outs and aren't great hands to turn into a bluff.
Turn is tough spot. I don't have too much to say about it other than I think it is fairly close between folding and calling and I can't say I'd blame you for either.
River I like but Im not doing jumping jacks about. He should definitely be capped since i don't think checking a flush or an 8 makes too much sense, we don't block any spades or any of the high gutters which isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, and this is pretty much the bottom of our range. The only thing Id say is despite being capped I think most people realize they are capped in this type of spot pretty often and it really wouldn't shock me if there was a hero call against us.
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HOMEWORK HAND: When I first viewed this hand I thought your river shove was a good one and made sense. Now I've had time to think about it some more though, I'm not convinced. My logic for this is because your shove on the river has to be exactly hearts - I'm assuming you bet 9T, KQ on the flop plus a lot (if not all) of xhxh combos and your gutters... meh I guess you'd check back 98, 78? But still that's only a couple of combos in a v wide range.
Villain clearly has showdown value but how much I think is the question and does he go for thin river value with two pair which I think he'd be wise to do. I think he'd bet an 8 and obviously hearts and so your shove puts him in a v tough spot as he's capped his range plus it's the only way you can win the hand at this point, I think. With that said with power of time on my hands I'm not sure you play many 8x hands like this and putting you on hearts is just to unlikely considering your wide range. Think I'd call you with a pair of T's+, but in game with limited time it would probably be 2 pair+ and maybe I don't have enough of those in my range making your shove a profitable one.
If I was to be specific with villains hand it looks distinctly like QT or Tx of spades.
With all this said if you're going to open 67o (which as you say is debateable) I think the way you've played it is the only way you were going to win this pot.
Sorry about the essay. That's my best attempt at commenting - I could be way off. Look forward to other views.
you said that it is not the most interesting hand in the world, not sure because I’m struggle with it. may be because I'm thinking too much about it and while playing it is may be more straightforward.
Sam, some videos on post-flop play would be great! or thought process on flop/turn or turn/river.
Really good video Sam!
I really like this kind of videos, keep em' coming! A video which handles icm, stack sizes and push/fold-ranges would be interesting too
very interesting video, well done.
As for the homework hand. I think I like it as played.
Flop- I mean my first instinct was to check back this flop too but I think there is a case to be made for a bet/fold. It kind of feels like it sucks to bet/fold a pair when pf ranges are so wide but what is the range that he is check raising us with. Maybe strong Js, 2 pair, a straight and his flush draws if that's his range then I like a b/f but if like you said he's just adding hands like A10 or As8x or too much other stuff it obviously becomes less attractive. When I am in villains spot facing a smallish bet (I think I usually go on the smaller side of things which is also debatable) I am usually thinking the cbettor is polarized into being happy to bet/call and having very low equity and just trying 1 stab knowing the BBs range is very wide so i'm not expecting a huge cbetting frequency so I'm probably not looking to expand my c/r range too much but that's just me maybe not the trend of others. I think checking back gets us bluffed a decent amount of the time and since I think he's likely checking all or most of his flush draw combo's there is some risk of reverse implied odds with the 7s or 6s on turn or river. Ultimately the reason I decided i like checking back a little more is that there really aren't THAT many hands that have more than 3 outs against our actual hand that are all that likely to be check folding and that's pretty relevant since if we are betting we are betting to get protection and maybe some very small amount of value if he has a float heavy strategy. The only hands he is like 100% to be bet/folding to 1 bet are his small pocket pairs which have 1 or 2 outs and aren't great hands to turn into a bluff.
Turn is tough spot. I don't have too much to say about it other than I think it is fairly close between folding and calling and I can't say I'd blame you for either.
River I like but Im not doing jumping jacks about. He should definitely be capped since i don't think checking a flush or an 8 makes too much sense, we don't block any spades or any of the high gutters which isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, and this is pretty much the bottom of our range. The only thing Id say is despite being capped I think most people realize they are capped in this type of spot pretty often and it really wouldn't shock me if there was a hero call against us.
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