Feature Table: Sam Greenwood at the PCA
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Haven't watched it yet but super cool concept.
this is so cool :D
I don't know if it is possible (but I imagine yes) the video guy may put the information(blinds)/hole cards on the video ?
Don't know if WSOP will provide the footage later, but RiO coaches made some FTs and seeing a different video always motivate to watch more :D
fun format, maybe a few more hands in the next one would be great
his yellow stacks were 15 :P
When you call the clock it definitely does have an effect on most peoples decision.
If river was an ace in last hand, do you still shove?
Becks's response is a good one an ace river turn his AJ into top two and his AA (if he has it preflop) into top set. Just as a K river will turn his KJ into top two and his KK (if he has it) into top set. What does change is my value range becomes slightly tighter in the event I don't shove KK/QQ on an ace river and my range might get tighter depending on if I shove KQ on a a king river or AQ on an ace river. Either way w/ AK the most important element of this hand is determining what our villian does w/ Jx.
Hi Sam,
liked the Format of this Vid.
AK Hand: I kinda thought the River shove was close, since you raised UTG and 3 barreled in a 3 way pot. As you said yourself, the King improves your Range pretty hard and there are not so many hands you can be bluffing with. You still need at least another 18 Combos of worse hands that will call your shove to make your shove profitable. So ingame you just assumed he will be calling often enough with worse and shoved?
You fire the turn to get him to fold his weak Jx type hands but after you have hit your king on the river you value shove against the exact same hands you were trying to fold out ott. Was your intention to fire twice against the QJ/JT hands as a bluff or did you just not realise that your reasoning for betting is not persistent?
Good video, like the format and didn't get bored at all.
OTT i was planning on shoving rivers except for jack rivers and maybe diamond rivers i'd check if I didn't have a diamond in my hand. I think it's a spot where I have a range advantage and should be bluffing three streets with my with my hand. Once the river rolled off I think it's a really close decision it largely depends on what my opponent does with Jx which is the bulk of his range.
It's a tough river spot because if villain calls with all Jx value shoving is good and bluffing is horrible. So it's a very thin spot that is very sensitive to what he does with exactly one chunk of his range.
For example villian on a King river villain has
18 better hands (33/22/66/JJ/KJ)
42 worse hands (J7s-J9s, JT, QJ, AJ,)
So there could be a situation where he calls with 18 or more worse hands otr. Which makes value shoving AK profitable
But if the river were a 6 and I have AK
Villain has 10 auto calls (22/33/66/JJ)
51 bluff catchers (J7s-J9s, JT-AJ,)
And if i am shoving for 2/3 pot my shove is profitable if he folds half his bluff catchers.
So on a king river if he calls with 21/42 bluff catchers my shove +EV
and on a blank river if he calls with 25/51 bluff catchers my shove is +EV.
It's a tight gap but it is possible both plays can be +EV albeit marginally.
In reality I think I noticed how many Jx combos villain gets to the river with and thought he could find a call with enough of them to make my shove +EV.
Hey sam, great reply but did you mean 50% just to have a certain margin for the play? I might have the math wrong but:
1) if you shove 2/3rd pot on a 6 blank river, you actually needs your bluff to work at least 40% of the time (2k into 3k pot, 2k/5k=40%), thus he must fold over 21 combos of bluff catchers for the play to be +EV?
2) on the other hand, on a K river, you need him to call with at least 40% of worse hands to be +EV, that if he calls with at least 17combos of bluff catchers, it's +EV?
WHAT did the guy have the first hand when he 4bet folded???
He's a RIO member and he told me what he had, but I am not going to post that publicly without his permission.
I can't estimate stack of guy n first hand 4 bet folding, and you focused on linearity and polarity of his range in this vid which is good example of how to construct ranges depending stack sizes and positions and exact situations, and what is not a good use of linear range obvious example, mistake i suppose i would make often, so thank you for analyzing that part.
Id like to add one lil question, and that is in regards of stack depth and 4 bet/fold range actually. At what stack depth u think it is profitable to 4 bet /fold, and beside profitable, advisable, and some of your thoughts on that would be nice.
In Ak hand, i have a lil question about what would you do if you were your opponent, as in, what would be good play in his shoes. If he counts your betting combos , you also have huge chunk of mid pairs, pairs , AK;s AQ;s beside strict value range, he is blocking high set, he is acting before you on turn. So, if he is contemplating that his hand can be good and he is to go with it ( as he did ) is it slightly better play to try push it allin on turn, since he is short, and in that way deny you some equity realisation which was big in this case in particular and maybe try fold out some parts of your range?
I don't like shoving the turn because I will fold all my bluffs and call all my better hands. It will prevent him from getting bluffed on some runouts, but will also guarantee he gets stacked on other run outs. I think calling the turn and creating a sound river strategy is better than shoving the turn.
Love this video format - original and interesting. Only 2 hands in 40 mins is fine by me considering how much detail is covered.
I liked the video alot, I like how detailed it was and how long it took bc theres so much more info/wierd dynamics in live poker. Without getting too much into your specific opening ranges, you say you never have 22 or 33 here, so do you always open fold those UTG in this spot (~60 bbs deep) Would you open small PP in EP 9 handed, w 20k @50/100? 20k 100/200 no ante? Thx!
I would only open 22/33 in very soft games where I felt I would be able to get paid a lot when I make sets and even in those games, I might just limp them if I wanted to play them exploitatively.
I really enjoyed this video format and would really enjoy if this series continued as well as possibly doing more series like this in the future whenever there is footage of RIO pros in the live poker setting.
In the AK hand, did you worry about the possibility of him having combos of 45s in his range. It is only 4 combo's and there are potentially very good reasons to discount them. If you did completely rule out 45s combos was it because of the EP 3X, him being relatively short, him potentially fast playing the flop as a semi bluff or all of the above? I know it is only 4 combos but especially in spots where I'm considering lining up a 3 barrel bluff whether or not villain can have the actual nuts weighs pretty heavy in my mind, maybe even more than it should.
I didn't think he would have 54s because of preflop. If he does have 54s his ranges on all streets are probably a little stickier than I expected. So I think can profitably bluff blank rivers because he likely adds more than 4 combos of 65s type hands that fold the river.
More of this plz.
Hi there,
Really enjoy this kind of format, bring more of them please! Just one suggestion. On this kind of video, try to focus on stacks sizes, efective sizes, pote sizes, bet sizes pote related and etc, because for us is hard to understand all of those things (even harder for us, non native english speakers).
The AK hand. I remember watching the broadcast at the time that this hand was played. I'm not really sure, can't really remember, but the villain had something like 60-65% pot stack behind to the river, or not? I'm not really sure if our turn bet could be doing good, as well as this line of bet bet shove on non improve boards. I can only see a profit if we are betting turn, to bet/shove river, right? As you said, and i ofc agree with u, our perceveid range is rather strong, betting big, twice, into 2 players on a very dry board, it's QQ+ 22/33/66 (meaby AJ, but i don't think we will be betting that big with that hand) oriented without a doubt. If villains knows that, this also turns villains calling range on a rather strong range, right? So, what the expected value of shoving rivers on blanks, when villains range is 22-33 QJ+, having something like 2:1 odds on a river call? He's almost allways blocking the QQ+ that we are trying to represent, he already saw us 5bet shoving (even without sd, this add a good/important information into his equation), the A and K that can improve our hand on the river improve a part of his range too, and i'm not seeing someone calling twice that big, and then folding to a river shove on a blank that often to make that a great profit. Am i off here?
(i really know that this doesn't add anything to the discussion but i remember thinking at the time that your turn size was kind of too big, trying to represent the QQ+ and forcing him to fold some of his cap Jx+, trying to always set a river shove, when you could be sizing smaller and shoving the river anyway if you really want to maintain those Jx on his range)
I'm sorry for my bad english, and not pointing out my thought process on a math/combo way,but it's something that i really suck and i'm trying to improve.
I wanted to set it up so i'd be betting roughly 2/3rds on all streets. It might have been a spot where I was betting too large because I incorrectly eyeballed his stack.
Cool video, before adjusting properly was missing subtitles though. :)
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