Leo Nordin12 years, 1 month agoNext vid i try to make reason of what im saying and just not say eeeeh and then come up with nothing, hehe - sry guys...
oboltys8812 years, 1 month agohi Leo could you make a video about how you approach metagame or dynamic play versus range play. when you sorta know they range is balanced but in this particular spot you feel they are going to play certain hands in a certain way because of the recent history it will be the the most ev for them to do so and you know they are smart enough to know that
jloo8712 years, 1 month agohey leo. Great video. I like this format much much better than your previous 9 tabling series. Very easy to digest what you're trying to get across. Keep up the good work man. Looking forward to more videos from you.
jloo8712 years, 1 month ago8573ds hand without the 75 gutter would you still be raising the flop here? Without the gutter it seems like our hand is too weak to raise get in but at the same time our hand is so vulnerable to various turns and rivers. Raise fold?
Leo Nordin12 years, 1 month agoWell if i didn't have 75 i'd prob have something else that would make me consider raise/jamming or just calling. Id never ever raise fold a 2pair in this spot.
Good hands to raisefold are hands that are unlikely to improve much on the turn and draws thin but still have some eq% and one or two cards with implied odds (gutters) on a 843 board i think like K763 9764 AJ42 AKQ8 are the type of hands u wanna raise/fold since they cant rly continue vs a 3b but still has some playability on the turns if he peels. :)
goldy1412 years, 1 month agoHey Leo, Solid Vid really Enjoyed it! One question on 13:41 you 3b KK48dd and Cbet half pot on J94dd lets say you had AAxxdd on this board would you still Cbet half here? I really want to understant if the KK blocking the QTxx combo is somewhat more relevant in your decision than inducing a spaz of the short stack with a low cbet?
Leo Nordin12 years, 1 month agoHmm good question, was a pretty *special* spot so didn't think to much about our overall play here, i just thought about this hand rly. But i guess with AAxx+fd i would do kind of the same here. I just wanted to talk a little about what our plan for the turn is if we get peeled by the deep stack :)
phil long12 years, 1 month agoThis was good, better playing 4 or 6 tables instead of 9 as you get through a similar number of hands (because of pausing), but this makes it easier to follow and talk through. Would like to see similar but 100bb instead of deep too
I'm not a fan of your raise w/the T high flush on the 87AQQ board.
I think it has a good chance of working against J and K high flushes, but he doesn't have those as often as the A high flush, and going for value on the river with those hands is thin, most players will check. Quite a few players will even check the nut flush here.
You're representing such a narrow range of hands when you raise, and many of the better hands we're trying to fold out will be blocking those combos and might talk themselves into a call. In addition it's easy for the villain to have stumbled onto a FH himself. Unless you think he gives you so much credit that he might fold Q8 here, I think a raise is less profitable than a call.
7:20 - KJTTds hand.
I thought this hand was very interesting. If you think he has spades so often that you want to bluff the river, why don't you just shove the turn? He made a very big turn raise, if you shove he has to call 839 to win 2998 total, so he needs just 28% to call. Bare flush draws have ~25% against you, so shoving puts these hands in a gross spot. Pushing him off his equity is great, and if he decides his FD+gutshot is good enough to go with that's great too.
I agree that he's bluffing the turn like this with KK every time, but he would have had to make a crazy float on the flop to have KK with nothing else, you're looking at AKK, KK w/2 pair, maybe KK9x. I think it's optimistic to expect he'll follow through on the river with all his turn bluffing hands, it looks like you have at least the one card straight when you call the turn. Maybe KK bluffs, but is he really following through with hands like the one he showed up with, laying you 3 to 1 on a call on the river? I don't know the villain though, so if you think he would I trust your read..
Doing some rough math, if he has KK blockers w/10% equity 50% of the time, and a flush draw 50% of the time, shoves every flush river and also shoves KK on all non flush rivers, we can expect to win $758 on average, compared to $924 if we shove now. This is assuming we c/f flush rivers though, I guess depending on our assumptions we might have to call, it's an ugly spot.
(924*.75)+(-396*.25) = 594 winning vs FDs
(1763*.65)+(-1235*.1)+(-396*.25)=923.5 vs KK
594*.5 + 923.5*.5 = 758
I'm pretty sure that's right, but please let me know if I made a mistake!
If we want to turn our hand into a bluff when the board pairs this will also change things, and clearly the more often he's bluff shoving blanks the better calling is, but given that he's a decent player and is unlikely to be bluffing with no equity here, I feel protecting our hand is best.
I realize that balance is important, however I would prefer to call with our barest KT straights here for balance, as well as one card straight hands w/TT in them. When we're not blocking the straight less of his raising range is air, we're more likely to be getting freerolled, our overall equity vs his range is lower.
I thought the video was good overall, there was the perfect amount of action you got in some interesting spots, and you did a good job explaining your thought process.
Leo Nordin12 years, 1 month agoyeah agree about the TT63, in a vacuum i just went with my read and made that play even tho im not a big fan of it either!
Well as i said its a good player, he knows what hands he must raise (Hands with to low eq% to call) so his never like making a raise here, i jam and he ends up calling with some gutter+fd or a 2p + fd. I know he either got it or he is raise folding. And since i have TTxx its pretty likely he just bluffs and will fold to my jam.
And his def gona continue on all the blanks as well.
I agree with u, as std i would just jam here but vs a guy that i play some hands hu with every day its important to stay balanced in spots like these.
OnceItRun12 years, 1 month agoGood video, I think 4 tabling review is your best format by now.
I have a question on the hand @ 30 min: How would you play Luigi da BP's hand? It seems disconnected QQxx, even double suited get me into a huge amount of trouble most of the time oop. Do you like the 3bet in the first place? Do you like it more at 100bb? And postflop is bet/3betting the only option? Do you like check/calling flop better? (I noticed you check/call KQT7ss on Q4ss, which is similar spot (although not the same)
I would like the content to be more accurate with the headline of the series. I expected 4 tables of 6max play when i started this video, instead i get 2 tables of HU play, and one table of 3/4 handed play.
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Good hands to raisefold are hands that are unlikely to improve much on the turn and draws thin but still have some eq% and one or two cards with implied odds (gutters) on a 843 board i think like K763 9764 AJ42 AKQ8 are the type of hands u wanna raise/fold since they cant rly continue vs a 3b but still has some playability on the turns if he peels. :)
I'm not a fan of your raise w/the T high flush on the 87AQQ board.
I think it has a good chance of working against J and K high flushes, but he doesn't have those as often as the A high flush, and going for value on the river with those hands is thin, most players will check. Quite a few players will even check the nut flush here.
You're representing such a narrow range of hands when you raise, and many of the better hands we're trying to fold out will be blocking those combos and might talk themselves into a call. In addition it's easy for the villain to have stumbled onto a FH himself. Unless you think he gives you so much credit that he might fold Q8 here, I think a raise is less profitable than a call.
7:20 - KJTTds hand.
I thought this hand was very interesting. If you think he has spades so often that you want to bluff the river, why don't you just shove the turn? He made a very big turn raise, if you shove he has to call 839 to win 2998 total, so he needs just 28% to call. Bare flush draws have ~25% against you, so shoving puts these hands in a gross spot. Pushing him off his equity is great, and if he decides his FD+gutshot is good enough to go with that's great too.
I agree that he's bluffing the turn like this with KK every time, but he would have had to make a crazy float on the flop to have KK with nothing else, you're looking at AKK, KK w/2 pair, maybe KK9x. I think it's optimistic to expect he'll follow through on the river with all his turn bluffing hands, it looks like you have at least the one card straight when you call the turn. Maybe KK bluffs, but is he really following through with hands like the one he showed up with, laying you 3 to 1 on a call on the river? I don't know the villain though, so if you think he would I trust your read..
Doing some rough math, if he has KK blockers w/10% equity 50% of the time, and a flush draw 50% of the time, shoves every flush river and also shoves KK on all non flush rivers, we can expect to win $758 on average, compared to $924 if we shove now. This is assuming we c/f flush rivers though, I guess depending on our assumptions we might have to call, it's an ugly spot.
(924*.75)+(-396*.25) = 594 winning vs FDs
(1763*.65)+(-1235*.1)+(-396*.25)=923.5 vs KK
594*.5 + 923.5*.5 = 758
I'm pretty sure that's right, but please let me know if I made a mistake!
If we want to turn our hand into a bluff when the board pairs this will also change things, and clearly the more often he's bluff shoving blanks the better calling is, but given that he's a decent player and is unlikely to be bluffing with no equity here, I feel protecting our hand is best.
I realize that balance is important, however I would prefer to call with our barest KT straights here for balance, as well as one card straight hands w/TT in them. When we're not blocking the straight less of his raising range is air, we're more likely to be getting freerolled, our overall equity vs his range is lower.
I thought the video was good overall, there was the perfect amount of action you got in some interesting spots, and you did a good job explaining your thought process.
Well as i said its a good player, he knows what hands he must raise (Hands with to low eq% to call) so his never like making a raise here, i jam and he ends up calling with some gutter+fd or a 2p + fd. I know he either got it or he is raise folding. And since i have TTxx its pretty likely he just bluffs and will fold to my jam.
And his def gona continue on all the blanks as well.
I agree with u, as std i would just jam here but vs a guy that i play some hands hu with every day its important to stay balanced in spots like these.
I have a question on the hand @ 30 min: How would you play Luigi da BP's hand? It seems disconnected QQxx, even double suited get me into a huge amount of trouble most of the time oop. Do you like the 3bet in the first place? Do you like it more at 100bb? And postflop is bet/3betting the only option? Do you like check/calling flop better? (I noticed you check/call KQT7ss on Q4ss, which is similar spot (although not the same)
I would like the content to be more accurate with the headline of the series. I expected 4 tables of 6max play when i started this video, instead i get 2 tables of HU play, and one table of 3/4 handed play.
Its a series man, it says that it starts with some HU but get 6max later on in the other parts =)
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