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Multi-Stakes 6-Max NLHE Zoom

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James Hudson

POSTED May 07, 2013

James discusses the differences between stakes while playing 4 tables of zoom ranging from 25nl to 200nl.

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Swire12345 11 years, 10 months ago

Enjoyed the vid very much, learnt alot from your 3bet concepts which i havent ever delved into that much. Is there any chance you could upload your main pop up for your HUD? 

michaelg 11 years, 10 months ago

at 29:20 with the 4bet AK.  I find myself having some troubles with this SPR OOP with AK when I miss.  What is you plan going to be on say a 58T or J92 board? What about a board with two broadways such as QT3?  Also what type of boards specifically are you going to going into C/give up mode?  Obv it's player dependent, but let's assume it's vs a player who is is calling 4 bets with a pretty strong range, as well as some random SCs, and suited high cards. like K8s etc.

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago

I think that versus a wideish 4 bet flatting range I'm probably going to need to get the money in on a Q103 flop in large part due to my equity versus KJ and AJ hands which are pretty likely candidates to fastplay that flop. On boards such as 1085 or J92 it's really going to depend on how wide I think villain is and if I flop any backdoor flush draws etc. Regardless, it's going to be both one of the better hands to bluff with (2 overs to almost all hands) and one of the better "weak" hands to get to showdown so you should have some options most of the time.

Daz 11 years, 9 months ago

If you run some simulations your equity and pot odds make AK on QJx, QTx and JTx with a BDFD is a bet/call or check/shove (given opponent tendencies). 

Some opponents allow you to check down your hand and some opponents are calling with JJ/QQ "to not see an Ace flop" before getting their stack in make sure you have notes on both tendencies. I've also checked with the intention of calling a turn or river stab although i've had some bet sizing/timing tells to help me make the call down.

When you don't have specific reads opt to continuation bet but then don't get frustrated when you have to fold or get it in drawing thin. Before you make your bet inject logic and remind yourself that you in a difficult spot already due to lack of information and that any line you take will be sub-optimal. Once you have new information make a note of it and take a more profitable line next time. 


PutMyRobeOnRITE 11 years, 10 months ago

Hi James @minute 00:42 table 2 with AQ, you said that you would jam or flat the 4-bet unless the area recreational player who calls wide and rarely 4-bets....how do you decide between flatting the 4-bet or Jamming over it?

James, @minute 3:50 table 3 you open AJs in the CO, if the button 3-bets you there how would you react, would you generally turn that into a 4-bet "bluff", would you call?  I woul dfold to a super tight 3-bettor, but lets say villain is 3-betting over 6% or 8% or more there, how do you play that AJs?

James, @minute 46 on table 4 you fold 22 to the utg open on the button....why? are you folding22-55 or something like that?

James @minute 44:14 on table 3 you open A9off and get 3-bet bvb.  I'm assuming A9 would fall into your 4-bet bluff range sometimes?  If that's the case how do you decide how often you would turn an Ax hand into a bluff there?  I see you are a little deeper so maybe you wouldn't want to do it as often because maybe he can flat the 4-bet and it won't play so good post flop....

Can you help me with a couple hands in this situation assuming we are approximately 100bb deep, because I honestly don't know what to do with hands like 22-JJ, AQ(s) AJ(s), AT(s), KQ(s), KJ(s), KT(s)QTs, JTs when I get 3-bet BvB...I know that's a mouthful but can you give me some guidance in these spots? 

Also100bb deep I think good 4-bet bluff hands would be Ax, Kx with blockers...do you agree?  Would you use Qx as blocking 4-bet or would you think that's adding too many 4-bet bluffs?  And if you do is there a frequency you like to 4-bet bluff these blocker hands assuming villain has a wide enough3-bet range?

Thanks for the video, really enjoyed your commentary :-)

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago

"Hi James @minute 00:42 table 2 with AQ, you said that you would jam or
flat the 4-bet unless the area recreational player who calls wide and
rarely 4-bets....how do you decide between flatting the 4-bet or Jamming
over it?"

One factor would be the sizing. If villain uses small sizing on his 4 bet I'm going to want to flat more of my range and having AQ in that range certainly helps out the weaker hands. Also, if villain uses smaller sizing there's less incentive to jam because there's less money out there to go get. Another factor would be their 4 bet range and how wide they're stacking off. If villain has a low 4 bet range I'm more likely to flat because I'm going to have much lower fold equity when jamming than vs a wider 4 betting range most of the time.

"James, @minute 3:50 table 3 you open AJs in the CO, if the button 3-bets
you there how would you react, would you generally turn that into a
4-bet "bluff", would you call?  I woul dfold to a super tight 3-bettor,
but lets say villain is 3-betting over 6% or 8% or more there, how do
you play that AJs?"

Probably call with AJs unless villain was really tight 3 betting that spot. With AJo I'd probably just 4 bet or fold.

"James, @minute 46 on table 4 you fold 22 to the utg open on the button....why? are you folding22-55 or something like that?"

I can't see that hand at minute 46 but I probably wouldn't call in that spot unless it was likely to go multiway. A hand like 22 is just going to play awfully unless I flop a set.


"James @minute 44:14 on table 3 you open A9off and get 3-bet bvb.  I'm
assuming A9 would fall into your 4-bet bluff range sometimes?  If that's
the case how do you decide how often you would turn an Ax hand into a
bluff there?  I see you are a little deeper so maybe you wouldn't want
to do it as often because maybe he can flat the 4-bet and it won't play
so good post flop...."

I like to pick certain Ax hands to use as a bluff most of the time. Sometimes I just forego bluffing those spots if I have no information on the villain though and assume that they're not going to be overly aggro.


"Can you help me with a couple hands in this situation assuming we are
approximately 100bb deep, because I honestly don't know what to do with
hands like 22-JJ, AQ(s) AJ(s), AT(s), KQ(s), KJ(s), KT(s)QTs, JTs when I
get 3-bet BvB...I know that's a mouthful but can you give me some
guidance in these spots?  "

With regards to the pocket pairs, the smaller ones are going to be all but useless when it comes to 4 betting or calling. With hands like 77-JJ you could chose to either 4 bet them or call depending on how tough the villain is post flop, how much they're 3 betting you blind vs blind etc. The suited broadways are going to play pretty well in 3 bet pots bvb as long as villain is actually bluffing a decent amount. Be careful not to defend too widely out of position against tighter players, the reverse implied odds can get nasty in those spots.

"Also100bb deep I think good 4-bet bluff hands would be Ax, Kx with
blockers...do you agree?  Would you use Qx as blocking 4-bet or would
you think that's adding too many 4-bet bluffs?  And if you do is there a
frequency you like to 4-bet bluff these blocker hands assuming villain
has a wide enough3-bet range?"

I think it's pretty unlikely that you're going to need to use Qx as a 4 bet bluff for blockers given the amount of Ax and Kx that you should be folding to 3 bets. As far as frequencies, that's something you've got to figure out for yourself ;)


Glad you enjoyed the video.


PutMyRobeOnRITE 11 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the responses, I definitely got better off this thread, your time is appreciated :-)

" With hands like 77-JJ you could chose to either 4 bet them or call depending on how tough the villain is post flop, how much they're 3 betting you blind vs. blind etc."

-I'm assuming with 77-JJ we would really never want to 4-bet fold, we would want to 4-bet call off, I think the 77-JJ make shitty bluffing hands imo, lol.

 

"The suited broadways are going to play pretty well in 3 bet pots bvb as long as villain is actually bluffing a decent amount."

-That's great James, on the offsuit broadways if we get 3-bet bvb I think maybe we can call AQo bvb, and then 4-bet fold AJ, KQo etc....or do you like 4-bet folding AQo as well? 

 


 

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
Yep, if we 4 bet 77-JJ it's to call if we get jammed on. Like you said, they make pretty bad bluffing hands. In the games that I'm playing in, I would never 4 bet fold AQ BVB. It's a hand that's sort of part of my value range. 4 bet folding AJ and KQ is going to be profitable vs most opponents but the question is "is it more profitable to flat the 3 bet OOP with these hands?". That's a question that comes down to how wide villain's 3 bet range is, how polarized it is, and you and your opponents post flop skills.


ifiwasu 11 years, 10 months ago

Really like this vid! I play the lowstakes NLZOOM myself (25&50NL) and recently spotted in my database that I wasn't defending wide enough in the blinds, just like you said most people didn't. So its really nice to see which adjustments need to be made.

I was wondering what is the optimal fold 2 steal% in the blinds on these stakes? I fold the sb vs steal  ~75% and the bb vs steal ~70%. I think I can still make a lot op progress in these spots by defending just a little more.

About the HUD you shared; Its the standard HM2 default popup as far as I can see, think Swire12345 meant the large white pop-up. Scrolled through the vid a few times but couldn't find it, hope you know wich one I mean cause I would be interested in that one to. 

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago

"I was wondering what is the optimal fold 2 steal% in the blinds on these
stakes? I fold the sb vs steal  ~75% and the bb vs steal ~70%. I think I
can still make a lot op progress in these spots by defending just a
little more."

The long answer? Ask Lefort or GameTheory in the forums.

The short answer? Defend as much as you can get away with because folding is going to cost you -50bb/100 from the SB and -100bb/100 from the BB.

Juan Pablo Corsi 11 years, 10 months ago

pocket tens on minute 37, you 3bet the button with no hands against him in 25nl, what would you do if you get 4bet? i find it difficult this spot to 3bet, because i have no idea what to do when 4bet against unknowns, plus people at these stakes dont 4bet alot as a bluff, i know my hand has value enough to 3bet, but also get in a lot of though spots, even with JJ in this spot. Thanks, i love your vids.

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
Hey, I'd be jamming against a 4 bet from either of them. Readless I think that's going to be the best play though it's possible that with a bunch of experience at 25nl or specific reads on people that I would be better served 4 bet folding or maybe even flatting preflop.


LaMenteMaestra 11 years, 10 months ago

Hey James did you send your own Main pop up or the normal on HM? i downloaded it but I get exactly the samemain pop up that i already have..yours looks more advanced and with more stats...

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
Hey, I'm confused at this point. If you let me know exactly what you're looking for and exactly what I gave you I'd be more than happy to help.


LaMenteMaestra 11 years, 10 months ago

well your main pop up I downloaded it with no problems, but it seems to be the standard main pop up which comes with HM2, your   Main pop up seems te be with more stats I deleted my main normal pop up and replaced it with yours but still got  the same pop up somehow.....i'm not sure why

Vols 11 years, 10 months ago

Lots of limping at my stakes should i still open button  as wide  as if no limpers ? prolly should pot it instead of min raise I assume? Thanks for the videos they have been great

James Hudson 11 years, 10 months ago
Assuming that you're asking if you should isolate limpers as wide as you'd open if it was folded to you, I'd isolate tighter than I'd open raise. You're going to be more likely to see a flop after a player has already committed money to the pot so you want to make sure your hand has slightly more playability than when opening the button normally. You're right on about sizing, I'd normally make it 3x+1bb per limper.


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