+1  -excellent food for thought...ty

Thanks mir! That`s a good idea, I`ll look into that for a next video series.

And thanks everyone again for the feedback! Happy you all enjoyed it!

He had AJo which was one of the hands we expected. To be honest I didn`t show it because I was embarrassed that I just called :). I think it`s a super easy shove, he`s gonna have A8s or AJo the vast majority of the time. But for some reason I decided to call at the time, don`t remember why. Huge mistake.

yes, you did have a good grasp of what was going on in this hand Felipe. But, there is certainly the possibility of villain having 9 10 ss here or a very weirdly played K 10 ss, 9 10 ss being more likely than the latter. Also, do you think A8 would call a shove, or AJ? the price would be good but with your line they would both be tough calls. So, all in all, perhaps you shouldn't be embarrassed for not shoving :). it is certainly an interesting spot and in the end, im not sure a shove is showing much more expectation than a flat, i would love to be able to figure that out, but that's over my head. I guess too, many villains would lead a hand like 9 10 ss on the flop, same as K 10 ss, because they are pretty strong draws with not a lot of SD value, so this would advocate a river shove more so when you look at it in that regard, that all boils down to how the villain plays.

Yeah, it`s great for him to do all that if he knows I`m bet/calling a 4x, it`s going to be much more profitable than betting. But like I said, there is no way he can expect that if he hasn't seen me do that yet. It just becomes a level war, if I know he knows I`m capable of doing that, then I can expect him to x/r for value and then I`d just check-back the river with my capped range.

In addition aren't there busted draws in your perceived range that you may play this way or are you rarely getting to river w a busted draw?

He had AJo.

Hi,

The main point here is that: to raise for value, your range should be perceived to have bluffs in it as well. On a rainbow board it's harder to represent that, because you can't have to many strong semi-bluffs to play aggressively. 

actually felipe, after watching each hand multiple times (like 10+ times), I am starting to get it. I watched the 3,8 sb limp three bet hand. I think I am starting to get it. Another 20 or so watches I think I will get it. Thx! pls do more of these perceived range vids. txh!

Hey Longtang!

Sorry that the concept ended up being a bit too advanced, I'll try to explain it in more of a begginer's perspective.

So the way we approach poker now a days is thinking about ranges. What that means is that we don't try to guess what exact hand our opponent has without accuracy (as it used to show in big hollywood movies back in the day). We use the information we have about how our opponents play to narrow down the range of hands he can possibly have, street by street. So we start at pre-flop and every street will narrow down our opponents range a bit more, based on his strategic option (if he checks, bets, or raises). That is the concept that we call "Range". We use probability, logic, and psychology to, instead of guessing our opponents exact hand, have a more accurate understanding of the possible hands our opponent can have, and the frequency which he is going to have each of them.

This video is about not only trying to read your opponents range well, but being aware of how he perceives yours. It's got nothing to do with GTO actually, it's an exploitative concept, it is using information about how your opponents think about your game and finding ways to exploit that. It's putting yourself in your opponent's shoes, and seeing how he is going to see your range, what he is going to think of it when you take a given line, like, for example (in the 38s hand), check-call the flop, after 3betting pre-flop, on an ace high dry board.

So for example, in the K4s hand that I bet-call the river... After I check-back the flop and call the turn in a 3bet pot there, my opponent is putting me on a very well defined range: weak showdown value hands, that are pot controlling and trying to get to showdown, like AK/AQ high, or the type of hand that I have, which is some hand I 3bet as bluff pre-flop, and now has a small pair. By knowing that this is how this typical 200nl regular is going to see my range, I know that it makes no sense for him to ever check-raise the river for value, because he expects me to check-behind the vast majority of the time. So it makes no sense for him to check and wait for me to bet and then raise, if he expects me to check back very often. If he's got pocket tens, he'll bet. If he's got a full house, he'll bet. Every hand that is ahead of my range enough to bet for value, I expect him to bet instead of check-raising, because of how HE PERCEIVES my range.
So for those reasons, I go ahead and bet-call the river, because after I bet and he shoves, I have narrowed his range down, taking all the hands that beat me OFF his range after he checks the river instead of betting. All because of how I know HE perceives MY range to be.

I hope I helped you understand the concept better! Gl applying it :)!

Yo! Fellipe:

1. how to play a bluff catcher, (ie: never raise because you want the opp's range as wide and loose as possible!)

2. how to think about perceived ranges. (on this 2nd point, I was dumb, too. I should have folded most of the time there on the river! ) There should have been no reason that I was good by the river if he bets out 1/2 pot.

What do you think? Did I do an approximately decent job and thinking through the perceived ranges? :-) Thx! I love your teaching. I hope you do more perceived ranges in the future! It is an incredible topic! I figure the more we can hear you do it, the better we'll all get :-)

PS: I guess some other hands he could have is 56s, or 56o that missed the straight? But he still should not bet pair of 6 because he only has a bluff catcher. And if he had poc 6, I guess, he made his set but how does a set of six get to the river with that line? so there is no perceived set of six at the river. :-)

And acutally 78 of diamond would be a very sick Turn as he'd have pair and a diamond flush draw LOL. But that is sooo close to being impossible. :-) but would be pretty sick for improving equity.! So, in that vein, he could actually have 89s of hearts. LOL.

I video taped the hand so it is easy to follow: please look at this clip if you want to see the hand:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ35ldD-67w

thx!

Hey man, thanks, I'm glad you're improving so fast and my videos are helping you!

About your questions, sorry, this is a place to discuss the video, not for me to go over your personal hands. For that I offer personal coaching, which you can find on my profile and send me a message if you're interested in that :)

But very glad to see how much you're excited about learning poker, that's the first and most important step to becoming a great player!

Hey complexity!

I'm betting the river "for value" basically because I expect to never be behind, giving my assumptions about how be perceives my range and what is gonna be his strategy because of it.
So if I have a solid read that I'm never behind, I have the relative nuts. So I bet and leave the calling or bluffing to him.
It really is hard to find worse hands that can call, but I don't think its a problem to be betting mainly to induce a bluff and call it off.

Hey learning,

I havent played plo in a lot of time, but I believe the main reason for AK67 being better than AK34 is because the 67 flops more nut str8 draws, and makes more top and middle pair, instead of top and bottom.

I could be wrong though, as I play mainly NL now a days. Better to ask a plo pro.

Hi IceColdCash,
Check-calling two streets OOP with a low flush draw on AQ high board as the pre-flop agressor is just something very rare to see. People will most often, in this scenario, c-bet with the low flush draws, or if they check-call, they might check-fold turn vs a big bet on this turn.

Now-a-days, with the solvers and all that, there might be a similar spot where people are checking their whole range given BTNs flatting range may be stronger on a given board, and in that case, might be more likely someone check-calls twice with a low flush draw. But back then, it was just not something you'd pretty much ever see.

Hey! It's Sean Lefort :)

I really comend you watch the classes from Leszek Badurowicz (2016) and watch the classes from Emty, about Polarity and range advantage.

Will help you a lot!