ATs: Facing a 3barrel in a 3bet Pot w TPMK (NL 100)
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ATs: Facing a 3barrel in a 3bet Pot w TPMK (NL 100)
HJ: 112.70
CO: 193.15
BN: 105.75 (Hero)
SB: 49
BB: 122.75
UTG: 113.80
CO: 193.15
BN: 105.75 (Hero)
SB: 49
BB: 122.75
UTG: 113.80
Preflop
(1.50)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
A
T
HJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to 2, SB folds, BB raises to 6, Hero calls 5
HJ folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to 2, SB folds, BB raises to 6, Hero calls 5
Flop
(14.50)
A
8
Q
(2 Players)
BB bets 10.15,
Hero calls 10.15
Turn
(34.80)
9
(2 Players)
BB bets 17.40,
Hero calls 17.40
River
(69.60)
4
(2 Players)
BB bets 88.20
71.2 left to call
Villain
His barrelfrequency in 3bet pots are 88%(8) 100% (2) X
I guess the Flop/Turn plays itself, what is your plan for the River? What is the weakest hand you are calling?
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How does your range look like? Do you 4bet AQ? What hands are u raising the turn with?
Personally, my range on the river looks like this: A9s(2),A8s(2),AJ(12),AT(don't know if u 4bet bluff offsuited AT) (12) KJcc,KTcc,76cc and maybe some Axcc type hands(?) (let's say 3 combos of Axcc) = 34 combos
you had to call (gto wise) 66,4% of your range --> 22,5 Combos, so u call 2 combos A9s, 2 combos A8s (if u don't raise them earlier), AJ 12 combos, and 6 combos of AT. The problem is, that's gto.
Because of the fact that many villains don't have 1/3 bluffcombos here, I think it's an fold. I think the weakest hand I'm calling with is AJ (non club combos).But really depends on the range u come to the river with. Would be interesting how u see your range as played.
Let's say villain jams AA (1), QQ (3), AQ (6), JTs (3) = 13 combos for value; he bluffs with KJcc, KTcc and other 4 random combos of somethin = 6 combos as bluff; we have to be good ~31,5%. I think there is absolutely no difference between AJ and AT because both should be folds. Probably A7 has more value than these two hands because it does not block as many bluffing hands, but on the other hand, it does also not block the one combo of JTs.
Now obviously, these ranges might be totally off depending on villain, I for example cannot have straight here ever, but just for argument sake, lets assume these ranges above are real.
Well, u cannot call with all your bluffcatchers. So u have to pick some. AJ & AT are better than A7, because we block JT. U have to make a cut which bluffcatchers u gonna be calling and which not. This was just a gto aspect. Of course you are right, that both AJ and AT are bluffcatchers.
What makes it difficult for me to fold here is that you've capped your range preflop and on the flop, so there is much more incentive for him to bluff 3 streets with the intention of folding out a hand such as the one you have. If you're not calling AT here it kinda means that you're folding 100% of your range. If there's a reason for me to assume that he can bluff 3 streets in 3 bet pots, I'd call.
So if i fold AT and AJ im not folding too much GTO wise imo, but this also depends on how often you raise your 2p+ on flop/turn.
So usually i'm folding this, but this guy looks pretty aggro makes things closer imo, 88% cbet then 100% turn barrel does say something imo. Not sure if he go's this crazy on this texture tho, its going to hit us quite often and he should know.
Hey thx for the answers
My biggest Problem is to give Villain a 3betting range. As th04 said, I would never have JT in this spot (as the BB), but people who are 3betting this much from the BB are probably more linear.
Does anyone 3bets > 15% BB vs BU? Know how linear those 15%-20% 3bet Ranges are?
Anyways vs this high 3bet range I am defendeing a lot by calling, I guess something like this:
TT-22,AJs-A2s,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,87s,76s,AJo-ATo,KJo+,QJo
On the Flop I do not really want to have a raisingrange given that Villain has a lot more nuts than me, I do not have AA/QQ/AK/AQ ...
On the Turn I am probably pushing a lot FD/SD and sets/twoP.
Given that I do not have a lot of good hands on the river. I would have JTs (if I did not fold it on the flop), Ac9c and A4s. Therefore I guess I have to call, becasue he should be able to bluffpush given that
- I do not have AA/QQ/AQ/AK
- I rasie my sets / twoP on the turn
and I am to high up in my range.
I'm not sure how good someone against whom we played roughly 1k hands knows our ranges. In his eyes we could be having very easily AQ. My range OTR would be A8s, A9s, AQ, JcTc, 88, some A4s and very rarely AA. I don't have a particulary big turn raising range so that's with what I'd call down most certainly. In addition to that I have AT and AJ and some suited Ax for roughly 30 combos.
That being said, I don't think villain necessarily thinks we are capped. I agree with this statement:
Because of the fact that many villains don't have 1/3 bluffcombos here, I think it's an fold.
So there I go folding AJ and AT, obviously, in game probably would never get myself to do that haha, but I think that is best...
Ah yeah, another thing: I have 89s in my preflop range, but I tend to fold that on these sorts of flops, is that problematic? I think I get barreld quite a bit and I feel like I'm calling and folding pretty much all the turns, especially against aggro players
I think it's okay to fold 98s without BDFD. As u said, we never can call 3 streets with just bottom pair on this board and do not have enough equity to call for a 5 outer (with reserve implied odds in addition).
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