[100€ Winamax ] How to abuse my opponents at final table with huge stack ?
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[100€ Winamax ] How to abuse my opponents at final table with huge stack ?
Hi ;)
what do you think is the best strategy when you have big stack on final table ?
there is stacks ( blind 15k - 30k)
Seat 1: Player1 ( 456042 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 1,9, Hands: 391
Seat 2: Player2 ( 312701 ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 7,0, Hands: 269
Seat 4: Player4 ( 436658 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 0,0, Hands: 55
Seat 5: Player5 ( 333176 ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 1,7, Hands: 196
Seat 6: Player6 ( 335820 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 0,0, Hands: 126
Seat 8: Hero ( 1553089 ) - VPIP: 46, PFR: 35, 3B: 18, AF: 3,2, Hands: 24858
Seat 9: Player9 ( 492514 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 11, AF: 2,9, Hands: 258
I started by raising a lot until i've been shoved on 3 time in a row by 3 different opponent .
i switched to no brain shove strategy because then have 15bb max, and they've got a lot of icm .
Do you guys agree ? or it was just better to play a solid poker, watch my opponents bust and wait for 3 - handed for being agressive again ?
I shoved t9s, middle position, was called and splitted against ak, then i shoved k7s and lost against a7o in BB
i was down 1.2 million, when happened this hand ( so i already have a degen image at the table ) :
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( 438842 ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 19, 3B: 8, AF: 1,9, Hands: 391
Seat 2: Player2 ( 295501 ) - VPIP: 12, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 7,0, Hands: 269
Seat 4: Player4 ( 404458 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 0,0, Hands: 55
Seat 5: Player5 ( 750052 ) - VPIP: 28, PFR: 21, 3B: 5, AF: 1,7, Hands: 196
Seat 6: Player6 ( 273620 ) - VPIP: 13, PFR: 12, 3B: 6, AF: 0,0, Hands: 126
Seat 8: Hero ( 1237113 ) - VPIP: 46, PFR: 35, 3B: 18, AF: 3,2, Hands: 24858
Seat 9: Player9 ( 520414 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 19, 3B: 11, AF: 2,9, Hands: 258
Player9 posts small blind [15000].
Player1 posts big blind [30000].
Dealt to Hero [ Kh 8h ]
** Dealing down cards **
Player2 folds
Player4 folds
Player5 raises [60000]
Player6 folds
Hero raises [1232813]
Player9 calls [501114]
Player1 folds
Player5 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 6d, 9d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
Player9 shows [Ks, Kc ]
Hero shows [Kh, 8h ]
Hero wins 716699 from main pot
Player9 wins 1152328 from main pot
I tried to abuse the 2nd in chips, but sb woke up with a monster .
I don't want to be result oriented but i think that it was spewy, and maybe that i should just 3b fold to 130k ?
What do you think about this play ?
Thanks for your help guys ;)
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Up ;)
This is a spot where all of your options are good. You have that luxury, that privilege simply because you have so many chips relative to the other players. Which is the best out of these good options? The answer is to apply pressure. Especially in a situation like this, where all of your opponents are so close in chips and you have a clear lead. They should all be playing tight, as ICM encourages them to stay out of pots. There is a lot of equity for each of them in folding, and letting short stacks clash with each other and let you try and take players out. This is a situation that definitely encourages you to be very very aggressive, however you always want to have an eye on not taking that idea too far. You also must know which players will be playing tight, as ICM would encourage, and which players will call your shove Bvb with Q8o because they know you're shoving ATC. Best strategy = apply pressure.
Generally speaking, most players play way too tight to reshove in ICM spots. A lot of times the range that will call your shove (as in the T9s hand example) will be very close to the range that will reshove on you. I just think the risk/reward works out a lot better for you to just raise/fold in spots like that. If you were playing at a final table with perfect ICM players, then yes, shove T9s because people will shove on your correctly and you will have to fold (too) often since you're opening so wide to begin with. I would be more inclined to shove in later position, but in middle position there are too many players left to act.
Hmm, interesting spot with the K8hh. I don't hate it for sure, and it's quite possible it's best. It looks like that villain is opening quite wide, so when you shove, you should expect to get a lot of folds. However if you were to 3b to 130k, you may get 4b a lot since it's obvious to your opponents that you're playing very wide at this final table. Use this tool to play with that math, and then report your findings to us here. You may also need to DL this free program for your work if you don't already have something like it.
Hey Nick, thx for your answer !
have made some math ;)
wina payout structure :
to begin :
Ranges:
[K8s ] vs [TT+ AQs+ AQo+ ] Equity: 29.972%
I think that this calling range seems accurate even if i'm a degen ;)
The more difficult thing is to find vilain openning range, he doubles up few hands ago, and never had this stack before ( 25bb ) . i assume sb and bb range are pretty tight, maybe im wrong .
there is results depending his opening range :
against a pretty tight 14.5 % [77+ QJ+ A8+ ]openning range, we should jam 3 % JJ+ AK+
against 26.2 % openning range, we should jam 30.1 %
Against 34.2%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K8o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo T9s 98s 87s 76s 65s ,
we should jam 94.6 % 94.6%, 22+ Tx+ 92s+ 95o+ 82s+ 84o+ 72s+ 73o+ 3x+
Pretty funny ;)
Hope i didnt make any mistake in holdem calculator haha ;)
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